Djokovic looks spent and used up, we will see if he really is the equal of Federer or Nadal...

Personally, I think the slam count doesn't prove anything in the grand scheme of things. To me it doesn't determine who is the greatest of all time because there are many other factors that should come into play. Had Djokovic managed to scrape through USO 2021, why should that alone make him the greatest player of all time?
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Djokovic would have to sit in a wheelchair to stoop down to being Federer's and Nadal's equal today.
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Dude no one cares. He won 3 slams this year and broke several records and attempting CYGS. Of course he is knackered in every possible way a human can be.

Alert me when Nadal or Federer ever comes close to what Djoko did. Besides, he already has four in a row.
 
RF-18 said:
Dude no one cares. He won 3 slams this year and broke several records and attempting CYGS. Of course he is knackered in every possible way a human can be.

Alert me when Nadal or Federer ever comes close to what Djoko did. Besides, he already has four in a row.
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On the other side of the coin, his fans had pencilled him in for Olympic Gold and his 21st slam at the USO. He achieved neither.
 
James P said:
I have to admit, Novak losing the USO F really had a strange effect on what we all think we know about the makeup of the tour in 2022. By all rights, anyone winning 3 majors in a season, getting to the final in the 4th, should be expected to keep that level of play up. His age, though, and the ever improving field, are really making it hard to predict what's next.
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If I knows anything about the ngbs... Djoker will be just fine.
 
Amen786 said:
He doesn't have the raw talent & hand-eye coordination of Federer. The man is one in billions. On the pure genius & talent scale, Djokovic is below federer.
But the serb is a mental fortress and clutch as hell, fed's clutch is a sand tower compared to nole's concrete tower. Its all between the ears.
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Fed is more talented to play tennis in the most difficult form but Novak play smarter and high percentage tennis.
 
DRII said:
Each time when asked by circumstance, he has showed he is of Federer and Nadal's equal.

we will see if he can do it again by having a couple to a few Twilight-Swan years where he can pad his record with a few more slams. Federer had 2017 and 18, Nadal had 2019 and 20 - each adding 3 slams to their tally.

We shall see how Djokovic does in 2022 and if he will need to get into his Swan song stage yet.

This may be the one criteria where he does not equal Federer or Nadal. Of course he didn't need such to get to his 20, but i don't think Nadal is finished yet (depending on how his foot surgery went) and Federer still has some chance after another knee surgery, although slim.

again, we shall see..
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Right now he looks like he always looks at the end of the USO - exhausted. This isn’t anything new.

What is new is young players (Zed, Med, Tsits) who have like 35-40% chances to upset him in any given match.

His serve and return are too good for him to suddenly drop off but he’s no long going to be an overwhelming favorite.
 
clayqueen said:
On the other side of the coin, his fans had pencilled him in for Olympic Gold and his 21st slam at the USO. He achieved neither.
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I think people are missing the significance of this a bit. The match in New York was meant to be Novak's final vanquishment of Fedal - something they had absolutely no hope of ever matching. He could enjoy the rest of his career picking off a few extra Slams - maybe focussing on taking the Wimbledon record - to make sure Federer was left with absolutely nothing. That's the future he had planned.

Now things look different. If Nadal's treatment works out it's perfectly possible he could challenge Novak's final count - there's even a microscopically small chance that an unseeded Federer could knock him off in a first round at Wimbledon (OK, that last bit's fan-fiction!!). Scrapping to stay ahead of Nadal wasn't what he was anticipating a few days ago.
 
Fedforever said:
I think people are missing the significance of this a bit. The match in New York was meant to be Novak's final vanquishment of Fedal - something they had absolutely no hope of ever matching. He could enjoy the rest of his career picking off a few extra Slams - maybe focussing on taking the Wimbledon record - to make sure Federer was left with absolutely nothing. That's the future he had planned.

Now things look different. If Nadal's treatment works out it's perfectly possible he could challenge Novak's final count - there's even a microscopically small chance that an unseeded Federer could knock him off in a first round at Wimbledon (OK, that last bit's fan-fiction!!). Scrapping to stay ahead of Nadal wasn't what he was anticipating a few days ago.
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The thing is, the field has widened. It's no longer all about the Big3. We are seeing more and more players with talent and weapons who can challenge them and everyone wants be the next Raducanu.
 
Rosstour said:
This is why he will always be more beloved.

Fed goofs around like a big kid, and can get the much-less-goofy Nadal to join in.

Novak talks about his energy vibrations and wolfman energy and blessed water.
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Novak is unique like that. But really, Fedal can have fun and be goofy and Novak can have his wolfman energy talks. No need to pit them against each other at every turn.
 
The Fedfather said:
Novak is unique like that. But really, Fedal can have fun and be goofy and Novak can have his wolfman energy talks. No need to pit them against each other at every turn.
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I agree. But there seems to be this feeling among Djok fans that there is a conspiracy to keep Novak from the popularity he deserves.
 
James P said:
I have to admit, Novak losing the USO F really had a strange effect on what we all think we know about the makeup of the tour in 2022. By all rights, anyone winning 3 majors in a season, getting to the final in the 4th, should be expected to keep that level of play up. His age, though, and the ever improving field, are really making it hard to predict what's next.
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TRUE! I do think that Novak's tough 5 set win over Zverev contributed to his loss to a red hot Medvedev, as it takes longer for a 34 year old to recover from a tough match than a 25 year old.
 
DRII said:
Each time when asked by circumstance, he has showed he is of Federer and Nadal's equal.

we will see if he can do it again by having a couple to a few Twilight-Swan years where he can pad his record with a few more slams. Federer had 2017 and 18, Nadal had 2019 and 20 - each adding 3 slams to their tally.

We shall see how Djokovic does in 2022 and if he will need to get into his Swan song stage yet.

This may be the one criteria where he does not equal Federer or Nadal. Of course he didn't need such to get to his 20, but i don't think Nadal is finished yet (depending on how his foot surgery went) and Federer still has some chance after another knee surgery, although slim.

again, we shall see..
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Why would he need to replicate anything they did if he is better already ?
 
thrust said:
TRUE! I do think that Novak's tough 5 set win over Zverev contributed to his loss to a red hot Medvedev, as it takes longer for a 34 year old to recover from a tough match than a 25 year old.
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Djokovic struggled throughout right up to the final only winning one match in straight sets so he wasn't in good enough form to take the title. That's the true, no?
 
What a strange thread. The debate is whether Novak’s career accomplishments are already ahead of Fedal’s. or if you want to focus on slams only whether he can beat them in number of slams (he is already the youngest to reach 20 slams). But who thinks he still needs to prove if he is their equal? :unsure:

as for winning at the later stages of a career Novak reached 4 slam finals and won 3 slams in the season he turned 34. This is better than what Nadal did or will do. We can debate how this compares to Fed’s 3 slams spread out in the seasons he turned 36 and 37.

finally, the chances remain very high Novak will win another slam while everything indicates Fedal are done for. But let’s wait and see what 2022 brings
 
Kesarsly said:
As of

As of now he is third of the three. Both Nadal and Federer have been Olympic champions and both have more titles.
He really missed a glorious opportunity. Seeing him so distraught was heartbreaking. But then again perspective will surely prevail for him when he gets home to the family.
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Objectively speaking, nadal is 3rd (and a fairly distant 3rd too). Most tennis pundits will probably put djokovic 1st and Federer 2nd if all of them retired today.
 
Weekendhacker said:
Objectively speaking, nadal is 3rd (and a fairly distant 3rd too). Most tennis pundits will probably put djokovic 1st and Federer 2nd if all of them retired today.
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Yeah, IMO Nadal is 3rd. Federer has too many things over him and there's not much Nadal can do to overturn that unless he wins major no.21.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Let's be honest: 90% of tennis fans and pundits thought Djokovic would win the USO. He was the prohibitive favorite and Medvedev scored a significant upset. Of course I thought Novak would win the CYGS based on Med's past choking and Novak being a mental rock. So did most other people.
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Hey, no problem, he sure was the favorite. I just wanted to point out that not only many Novak's fans penciled him for CYGS. I had a bad feeling about his chances though and he got further than I thought he would. Olympics, especially doubles, were waste of mental and physical energy.
 
DRII said:
Each time when asked by circumstance, he has showed he is of Federer and Nadal's equal.

we will see if he can do it again by having a couple to a few Twilight-Swan years where he can pad his record with a few more slams. Federer had 2017 and 18, Nadal had 2019 and 20 - each adding 3 slams to their tally.

We shall see how Djokovic does in 2022 and if he will need to get into his Swan song stage yet.

This may be the one criteria where he does not equal Federer or Nadal. Of course he didn't need such to get to his 20, but i don't think Nadal is finished yet (depending on how his foot surgery went) and Federer still has some chance after another knee surgery, although slim.

again, we shall see..
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He is ahead
You didn't get the memo?
 
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