Djokovic lost in Monte Carlo - Planned vacation

Achilles82

Achilles82

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That's my opinion of course....

Novak statement after the loss for Serbian newspapers (source b92 portal)

"The last week of training was good in a sense that I've felt the ball the way I should, but I didn't feel fresh the whole time. I work hard every day, but defeat had to come sooner or later. Everything happens for a reason, and now I'll have a pause that I'm looking forward to. I need rest, physically and mentally."

Novak loss reminds me when Roger Federer lost to Andy Murray in 2nd round Cincinnati back in 2006, right after he won Canada masters. 2006 is probably Rogers best year and one of the best years in tennis history. I think back then Roger just wanted to take a break, just like Novak right now, especially since he will play in Madrid.

He probably had some agreement with people in Monte Carlo since its his home tournament.
 
Achilles82 said:
That's my opinion of course....

Novak statement after the loss for Serbian newspapers (source b92 portal)

"The last week of training was good in a sense that I've felt the ball the way I should, but I didn't feel fresh the whole time. I work hard every day, but defeat had to come sooner or later. Everything happens for a reason, and now I'll have a pause that I'm looking forward to. I need rest, physically and mentally."

Novak loss reminds me when Roger Federer lost to Andy Murray in 2nd round Cincinnati back in 2006, right after he won Canada masters. 2006 is probably Rogers best year and one of the best years in tennis history. I think back then Roger just wanted to take a break, just like Novak right now, especially since he will play in Madrid.

He probably had some agreement with people in Monte Carlo since its his home tournament.
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Except that Murray was an extremely talented up and coming player. Novack lost to a nobody.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Hardly.

In 2006, Federer lost only to Nadal (x4) and Murray - both would become multiple slam champs.

Novak Djokovic lost to a nobody yesterday. His 2016 is already shaping up to be less impressive than Fed's 2006.
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It is grossly inappropriate calling anyone "nobody". Vesely has achieved so much in his short life so far. Even if he wasn't, language you use is plainly wrong.
 
ABCD said:
It is grossly inappropriate calling anyone "nobody". Vesely has achieved so much in his short life so far. Even if he wasn't, language you use is plainly wrong.
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this is one of the funniest responses to my posts that I've ever read. Particularly since its author is him/herself a nobody.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Hardly.

In 2006, Federer lost only to Nadal (x4) and Murray - both would become multiple slam champs.

Novak Djokovic lost to a nobody yesterday. His 2016 is already shaping up to be less impressive than Fed's 2006.
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You've misunderstood me. I meant that it didn't matter who they lost to if they did indeed tank their matches for extra rest. And "Novak Djokovic's" 2015 was already better than Federer's 2006 so I'm not really that bothered who he loses to this year so long as he wins at least a couple more big titles.
 
Phoenix1983 said:
this is one of the funniest responses to my posts that I've ever read. Particularly since its author is him/herself a nobody.
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Wow, what a pretentious and childish thing to say. Are you trying to act like you have some sort of high status level on an internet forum?

To the OP: I did find it odd that Novak wasn't moving Vesely around as much as he has been doing to everyone else so far this year. At times it seemed like he was simply hitting rally balls down the middle, two or three in a row. It made me wonder.
 
I believe that Djokovic lost fair and square:
1) He played Vesely for the first time. Figuring out opponent is important for Djokovic's strategy. People have the best chance to beat him when they play him for the first time (Fratangelo?). As more you play Djokovic, your chances are lower.
2) He was on many occasions off timing. This would mean that he was probably not yet fully adjusted to conditions.
3) He become too predictable at the net; always cross-court; this needs to be corrected.
4) Vesely played very well and was psychologically strong. Fratangelo, Simon and Kukushkin all had the game on their particular encounters to put Djokovic under serious pressure, but they were not able to hold until the end. Vesely didn't blink.
 
I doubt he tanked. Why would he need to play three sets to "tank?" Also, great players never want to lose and never want to give up momentum and show vulnerability to other players on the tour.

In any case, overall I think this loss means very little and I think Djokovic will go on and be fine and keep consistently winning. I wouldn't be worried quite yet if I were a Djokovic fan.
 
Sometimes a loss is a good thing, particularly in team sports, but also like here.
Vesely played well and served and hit hard, with a few drop shots thrown in, and Novak slightly off cue. (esp cross court counter to drop-shot).
I don't think the rest of the tour now suddenly think Novak is readily beatable, not after 1 loss.
 
cc0509 said:
I doubt he tanked. Why would he need to play three sets to "tank?" Also, great players never want to lose and never want to give up momentum and show vulnerability to other players on the tour.

In any case, overall I think this loss means very little and I think Djokovic will go on and be fine and keep consistently winning. I wouldn't be worried quite yet if I were a Djokovic fan.
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He did not tank. He just had a bad day and no will to play. I watched the third set and his movement was terrible.
 
Vesely showed that if you believe you can beat. Hopefully Novak's chief rivals like Murray, Berdych and Ferrer took note.
 
tennisaddict said:
Vesely showed that if you believe you can beat. Hopefully Novak's chief rivals like Murray, Berdych and Ferrer took note.
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It didn't really show that, let's be honest. Djokovic had a bad day, that's all. And lol @ Berdych and Ferrer taking note. Is that a joke?
 
And Novak's bunny gave Vesely 3 games. That upset will probably be the biggest highlight of the Czech's career in the end.

Novak won't be affected by this. A bit of rest and more clay training and he will be ready to go again.
 
Achilles82 said:
That's my opinion of course....

Novak statement after the loss for Serbian newspapers (source b92 portal)

"The last week of training was good in a sense that I've felt the ball the way I should, but I didn't feel fresh the whole time. I work hard every day, but defeat had to come sooner or later. Everything happens for a reason, and now I'll have a pause that I'm looking forward to. I need rest, physically and mentally."

Novak loss reminds me when Roger Federer lost to Andy Murray in 2nd round Cincinnati back in 2006, right after he won Canada masters. 2006 is probably Rogers best year and one of the best years in tennis history. I think back then Roger just wanted to take a break, just like Novak right now, especially since he will play in Madrid.

He probably had some agreement with people in Monte Carlo since its his home tournament.
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The thing with Novak since 2011 is that his basic level is that good , it's highly unlikely to him to lose in straight sets to a lower ranked players. Among other things his haters hate him passionately because of the fact that he is rearly prone to early upsets. The patterns of his loses to Querrey, Dimitrov, Nishikori 2011, Karlovic, now Vesely are the same and none of it happened at GS.

From actual match, it's clear that he didn't tanked (played with the intention to lose), but appeared on court flat, with heavy feat ,without usual sharpness in any ofhis shots, wasn't able (didn't wanted to kill himself) to raise his game at least at average level to win that 3 set. He barely reacted at umpire mistake , when his return landed on BL.
But let's not discredit Vesely game and his victory over No1. He played really good match ,served great in that first set, and completely deserved it ,it wasn't his fault that Novak couldn't played better.
Willing to admit it or not, everyone who watching this sport knows how hard is to win AO/IW/M triple, and how great player one have to be to win it two years in a row.He has earned his right to be fatigued. Sooner it happens (in season like 2016) the better for him.


Now when Djokovic officially became Oldovic his fans will cherish his future accomplishments even more;)
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Hardly.

In 2006, Federer lost only to Nadal (x4) and Murray - both would become multiple slam champs.

Novak Djokovic lost to a nobody yesterday. His 2016 is already shaping up to be less impressive than Fed's 2006.
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But what if Vesely ends up winning multiple slams like Murray? Don't forget that Murray was a nobody in 2006 too, so Novak's loss isn't really all that much worse.
 
Tiki-Taka said:
And Novak's bunny gave Vesely 3 games. That upset will probably be the biggest highlight of the Czech's career in the end.

Novak won't be affected by this. A bit of rest and more clay training and he will be ready to go again.
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A bit early to say about Vesely, whether this is just his Lukas Rosol or Segiy Stakhovsky moment for a journeyman, or he will actually have a better than average career.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
A bit early to say about Vesely, whether this is just his Lukas Rosol or Segiy Stakhovsky moment for a journeyman, or he will actually have a better than average career.
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I have seen players who had a good run, not just causing one upset, and then disappear all of a sudden. Look at Janowicz for example. Vesely will have to at least match that IMO in order to go on and do something spectacular later.
 
Achilles82 said:
That's my opinion of course....

Novak statement after the loss for Serbian newspapers (source b92 portal)

"The last week of training was good in a sense that I've felt the ball the way I should, but I didn't feel fresh the whole time. I work hard every day, but defeat had to come sooner or later. Everything happens for a reason, and now I'll have a pause that I'm looking forward to. I need rest, physically and mentally."

Novak loss reminds me when Roger Federer lost to Andy Murray in 2nd round Cincinnati back in 2006, right after he won Canada masters. 2006 is probably Rogers best year and one of the best years in tennis history. I think back then Roger just wanted to take a break, just like Novak right now, especially since he will play in Madrid.

He probably had some agreement with people in Monte Carlo since its his home tournament.
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An agreement to play just 1 match at the tournament? If that was his thinking, IMO it would have been more logical just to have skipped it in the first place!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
You've misunderstood me. I meant that it didn't matter who they lost to if they did indeed tank their matches for extra rest. And "Novak Djokovic's" 2015 was already better than Federer's 2006 so I'm not really that bothered who he loses to this year so long as he wins at least a couple more big titles.
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WAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA
 
nowhereman said:
But what if Vesely ends up winning multiple slams like Murray? Don't forget that Murray was a nobody in 2006 too, so Novak's loss isn't really all that much worse.
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Murray was on people's radars as a promising young player since late 2005. Also had wins over Hewitt and Roddick in 06 (both were far from their best but still) and got to the 4th round of Wimbledon and the semis of Toronto right before Cincy (a tournament Fed should really not have played in).
Granted none of this really is a big deal.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Really can't be bothered debating this again but even if you think Federer's 2006 was better, I've no idea why you think my saying Djokovic's 2015 was is so outlandishly funny if you're aware of the numbers he produced.
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He knows it true that is why he had nothing better to say than go on the defensive and say wahahaha...;)
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Really can't be bothered debating this again but even if you think Federer's 2006 was better, I've no idea why you think my saying Djokovic's 2015 was is so outlandishly funny if you're aware of the numbers he produced.
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Agreed. Not really sure what he's on about as I could see an argument from both sides.
 
Mainad said:
An agreement to play just 1 match at the tournament? If that was his thinking, IMO it would have been more logical just to have skipped it in the first place!
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Yeah. If "not ready, tired, needing a break", or whatever, why not just withdraw in advance?
Especially since it's MC, which in contrary to popular belief, is not a mandatory tournament anymore.

Not buying any of it - Djok just had a bad day at the office and some other player had a great day and manage to take advantage from it.
It happens at times.
 
Achilles82 said:
That's my opinion of course....

Novak statement after the loss for Serbian newspapers (source b92 portal)

"The last week of training was good in a sense that I've felt the ball the way I should, but I didn't feel fresh the whole time. I work hard every day, but defeat had to come sooner or later. Everything happens for a reason, and now I'll have a pause that I'm looking forward to. I need rest, physically and mentally."

Novak loss reminds me when Roger Federer lost to Andy Murray in 2nd round Cincinnati back in 2006, right after he won Canada masters. 2006 is probably Rogers best year and one of the best years in tennis history. I think back then Roger just wanted to take a break, just like Novak right now, especially since he will play in Madrid.

He probably had some agreement with people in Monte Carlo since its his home tournament.
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He lost, because the opponent played better him. He is just maximizing the opportunity. Nothing deeper to look into
 
Djokovic2011 said:
You've misunderstood me. I meant that it didn't matter who they lost to if they did indeed tank their matches for extra rest. And "Novak Djokovic's" 2015 was already better than Federer's 2006 so I'm not really that bothered who he loses to this year so long as he wins at least a couple more big titles.
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Novak didn't purposeless tank the match. Anyone that thinks that is deluded.
 
Here's what I think. Djokovic and his team had a look at his schedule. Since RG is the goal for Djokovic (he can say what he wants, but I think he has sleepless nights about it), he decided he needed some rest, to be physically and mentally prepared for RG. So, tank the 1st set (while keeping it close), put it 10% effort in the 2nd set, tank the 3rd (while keeping it close). Djokovic is not a great clay court player, but there is no way in hell he is going to lose to someone like Vessely in his current form, on any surface, that's just not done.
 
Minion said:
Here's what I think. Djokovic and his team had a look at his schedule. Since RG is the goal for Djokovic (he can say what he wants, but I think he has sleepless nights about it), he decided he needed some rest, to be physically and mentally prepared for RG. So, tank the 1st set (while keeping it close), put it 10% effort in the 2nd set, tank the 3rd (while keeping it close). Djokovic is not a great clay court player, but there is no way in hell he is going to lose to someone like Vessely in his current form, on any surface, that's just not done.
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Djokovic never tanks a thing, and neither does he need to since he hasn't been tired since 2012. "Rest" doesn't help him, see the Fognini walkover at the FO.
 
ArcspacE said:
Djok's 2015 >>>>> Fed's 2006
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