Djokovic made history in Cincinatti

Federev

Legend
Oh yay.

I’m sure Monfils is honored.


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Clay lover

Legend
He has always looked happy losing to the b3 and acted like it was a miracle when he pulled off sets or highlight reel shots again them. Maybe ultimately he just doesn't have the skill to hit consistently harder than he does but I would love to believe he would've at least benefitted from a great hatred of losing
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
what's that old saying again?

no one beats monfils 20 times in a row......he blew 4 straight match points few years ago in qatar i think......their 2005 us open battle was epic and should have actually been won by monfils as well......he blew them both......
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Djokovic cut Monfils a break by not bageling him in the 2nd set. Djoker clearly tanked that game. Monfils was rustier than I've ever seen him, which is why his ranking was only 211 when he entered the match yesterday.

It's funnier than hell that he just recently beat Tsitsipas, De Minaur, and Norrie. Those 3 guys are all ranked in the top 15 and they are all in their mid-20s.

Anyway, the match had a couple of insane rallies in it. But it was nothing like the good old days.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
That shirt might be auctioned and earns him more than some of his 1st round Tournament winnings. :p

Good to see him still around and beating some highly ranked young players.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Vitas is such a liar. He said nobody beats him 17 times in a row but wtf is this ****
LOL, that was after he beat Jimmy Connors for the first time after 16 losses in a row. The 0-17 record against Borg came a couple of years later
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
H2H is worthless if you don't win the whole thing. So he's 19-0 against Monfils, but he's 2-5 in the final and that's including 3 losses against Federer.

I'm sure Djokovic would love to trade all of his 19 wins against Monfils for 1 win on any of the 5 losses in the final.


Top list of Western & Southern Open winners(Open era):

1) Federer - 7 times
2) Wilander - 4
3) Sampras - 3
= Agassi - 3
= Riessen - 3
 
H2H is worthless if you don't win the whole thing. So he's 19-0 against Monfils, but he's 2-5 in the final and that's including 3 losses against Federer.

I'm sure Djokovic would love to trade all of his 19 wins against Monfils for 1 win on any of the 5 losses in the final.


Top list of Western & Southern Open winners(Open era):

1) Federer - 7 times
2) Wilander - 4
3) Sampras - 3
= Agassi - 3
= Riessen - 3

Yawn. Not everything is about Federer and the stupid goat debate.
 

TheNachoMan

Legend
H2H is worthless if you don't win the whole thing. So he's 19-0 against Monfils, but he's 2-5 in the final and that's including 3 losses against Federer.

I'm sure Djokovic would love to trade all of his 19 wins against Monfils for 1 win on any of the 5 losses in the final.


Top list of Western & Southern Open winners(Open era):

1) Federer - 7 times
2) Wilander - 4
3) Sampras - 3
= Agassi - 3
= Riessen - 3
Insecure :cool:
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
H2H is worthless if you don't win the whole thing. So he's 19-0 against Monfils, but he's 2-5 in the final and that's including 3 losses against Federer.

I'm sure Djokovic would love to trade all of his 19 wins against Monfils for 1 win on any of the 5 losses in the final.


Top list of Western & Southern Open winners(Open era):

1) Federer - 7 times
2) Wilander - 4
3) Sampras - 3
= Agassi - 3
= Riessen - 3

What crazy talk is this?

One of those wins was Paris Masters 2009 final, which allowed Djokovic to win at least one masters that year, and get him the Paris Bercy record.

One of them was Canada 2011, which allowed Djokovic to become first man to win five masters in the same year.
 
What crazy talk is this?

One of those wins was Paris Masters 2009 final, which allowed Djokovic to win at least one masters that year, and get him the Paris Bercy record.

One of them was Canada 2011, which allowed Djokovic to become first man to win five masters in the same year.

Good point. Not sure why Djokovic would sacrifice a Paris or Canada title for a Cincy title.

Also, five of the wins against Monfils were in slams. Funnily enough, none of them was a slam that Djokovic went on to win, so I suppose it's plausible that one could claim that the slam match meant less than a win in a final in Cincinnati would have done. But with that said, I am not convinced. For example, one of the wins was the 2010 US Open quarter-final. If Djokovic had lost that, he would not have gone on to win the 2010 US Open semi-final against Federer, but that was an important win for him, even though he lost the final against Nadal. It turned his year around, after it to that point was a much worse year than 2008 and a somewhat worse year than 2009 and honestly probably worse than 2007, too. It helped him build momentum for his breakout 2011, and it was the first of his wins against Federer from match point down in a slam - without it, who knows whether he'd have achieved all he did subsequently? So, to my mind, it's pretty questionable that he'd take one extra Cincy title but a QF loss in the 2010 US Open rather than one fewer Cincy titles and a run to the final of the 2010 US Open. (Then again, if he'd lost the 2010 US Open in the QFs, it wouldn't be the 4-3, 2-1 Bud Open, just the 4-3 Bud Open!)

To my mind, I'm not sure he'd rather win one of the Cincy finals that he lost than win the 2016 US Open semi, either. I think that a slam semi-final is roughly equal in importance to an MS final, regardless of the result of the slam final. Making a slam final is roughly equal to winning an ms title, in my book, so I think he'd probably be indifferent if given the choice of winning the 2016 US Open semi (but losing the final) or winning one of the five Cincy finals he lost. If anything, the appearance in the US Open final might matter to him a bit more than winning a Cincy title, now that he has won the event at least once (officially twice, but hard to know how he feels about that second title).
 

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Talk Tennis Guru
H2H is worthless if you don't win the whole thing. So he's 19-0 against Monfils, but he's 2-5 in the final and that's including 3 losses against Federer.

I'm sure Djokovic would love to trade all of his 19 wins against Monfils for 1 win on any of the 5 losses in the final.


Top list of Western & Southern Open winners(Open era):

1) Federer - 7 times
2) Wilander - 4
3) Sampras - 3
= Agassi - 3
= Riessen - 3
Chill buddy! :)
 
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