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Federer never ended a year as no.1 since 2010, despite being highly competitve. This hurts his legacy.
Djokovic Nadal duopoly since 2008
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Federer never won a slam final against 22-29 years old Djokovic/Nadal. 7 losses in 7 matches.
nolefam_2024
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Roger couldn't win uso15 even if his life depended on it.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic should have 13 slams.
nolefam_2024
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Fed should have 17.
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Steve0904
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I included 2010 because Nadal won 3 slams, but it's like @FedFosterWallace said, it's pretty bad when it takes a tag team effort to undermine a guy that has actually done remarkably well since 2008 anyway.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
How do you figure that? Some would say Fed has blown more slam wins than won matches in slams that he should've lost. Not that I subscribe to that theory. I'm quite happy with 20, but I'm trying to figure out the logic, outside of trolling.
Fabresque
Legend
What? Almost as if he isn’t a weak era mug who vultured the field!
SuperSpinner
Semi-Pro
Surprised, they only won 1 CYGS together. Fedal had more I believe.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer is Fedr. What is Schwarzenegger? Schwarzngr?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Fedal had 3 CYGS.
clout
Hall of Fame
They had 4 I believe. 2006,2007, 2010 and 2017. Unless you're only counting 2005-10 then yeah it'd be 3
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
How you figure Novak would have 13, same way.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
You keep talking team efforts.
Novak is young and Rafa is so close to him. There is not much difference between oldman and others. Its not like 2007.
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BrokenGears
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His slams against Baggy and Philly don’t count. He’s lucky Nole choked hard in 2007 final, he’s lucky he didn’t play Nadal at RG in 2009, and he’s lucky cause he played pigeon Roddick at several slams as well. The 2009 Wimby was huge chock by Arof
TheGreatOne1997
Rookie
When I starts eeing things like “A combination of Fed, Nadal, Nole have won 2450 slams of the last 2455” and STILL doing it, it makes one wonder just how many people are going to tune off tennis when they are finally gone. Or where the hell everyone has been the last 15 years.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Nadal was great in 2008, 09 he won a slam. Novak was great in 2008, 2009 not so much but he won a masters I think.
I can discount Novak but Rafa's 3 slams, especially AO which he only won once, I wanted to include it.
Likewise Rafa’s RG titles vs Federer don’t count nor do Nole’s slams vs old Fed.
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Federer could've lost 2009 Wimbledon to Roddick you know...
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic too was lucky he didn't have to play neither Nadal nor Wawrinka when he won RG.
Novak's Wimb against Anderson doesn't count either.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Why not start at 2007? Novak reached a slam final then and was better in 2007 than he was in 2010.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
2007 Novak was a kid and Rafa won a slam. The numbers I posted they failed in most of those, they did not win 2 slams, or year end no1, or WTF title. Probably won > 3 masters, most probably.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Who cares? 2007 Novak was better than 2010 Novak. Him being a kid then ia irrelevant.
2010 Novak won no big titles whatsoever. Not even a masters title.
Excluding 2007 Novak is stupid.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
clout
Hall of Fame
Bump post. Since 2008, Djokodal have:
Finished number one 10/12 seasons (5 apiece)
11 combined 2+ slams seasons (5 apiece)
32 slams won out of 48 played (16 apiece) - Federer is the next closest at 8 (half of both their totals)
58 masters won out of 108 played (32 for Nole, 26 for Nadal)
Won the last 7 majors from 2018 French Open-2019 US Open (4 for Nole, 3 for Nadal); won 9 out of the last 11 majors between 2017 French Open-2019 US Open
Won 9 consecutive majors from 2010 French Open-2012 French Open (5 for Nadal, 4 for Nole); won 12 out of 15 majors between 2010 French Open-2013 US Open
Won 9 consecutive Masters from 2013 Monte-Carlo-2014 Miami (5 for Nole, 4 for Nadal); won 23 out of 32 masters between 2011 Indian Wells-2014 Rome
Met in 4 consecutive major finals between 2011 Wimbledon-2012 French Open (3-1 Djokovic)
Played a classic five setter at AO, RG and WI, along with the USO finals trilogy circa 2010-2013
Met in all four slam finals, along with 8/9 Masters, WTFs, Olympics, Davis Cups and even 500 events
Participated in 38 GS finals out of 48 played; 41 out of the last 51 if we stretch it back to the '07 French
At least one of them finished in the top 2 every year (Djokodal finished as the top 2 in 2011, 2013, 2018 and 2019)
Both finished in the top 3 in 9/12 years (2015/16 due to Nadal's bad form/wrist injury and 2017 due to Novak's elbow injury)
Other notable achievements: Both completed career slams (and have a chance at achieving the DCGS); Djokovic won the Nole Slam and won 5 WTFs; Nadal won La Decima at the French and 2 OLY gold medals (one in singles and one in doubles)
As for H2H, Nole has dominated it since around 2014 (like he's done with like all his peers besides Stan at majors), but their matches between 2007-2013 were classics.
What a dominant decade plus of tennis these two (and Federer to a slightly lesser extent in this period) have put on.
Finished number one 10/12 seasons (5 apiece)
11 combined 2+ slams seasons (5 apiece)
32 slams won out of 48 played (16 apiece) - Federer is the next closest at 8 (half of both their totals)
58 masters won out of 108 played (32 for Nole, 26 for Nadal)
Won the last 7 majors from 2018 French Open-2019 US Open (4 for Nole, 3 for Nadal); won 9 out of the last 11 majors between 2017 French Open-2019 US Open
Won 9 consecutive majors from 2010 French Open-2012 French Open (5 for Nadal, 4 for Nole); won 12 out of 15 majors between 2010 French Open-2013 US Open
Won 9 consecutive Masters from 2013 Monte-Carlo-2014 Miami (5 for Nole, 4 for Nadal); won 23 out of 32 masters between 2011 Indian Wells-2014 Rome
Met in 4 consecutive major finals between 2011 Wimbledon-2012 French Open (3-1 Djokovic)
Played a classic five setter at AO, RG and WI, along with the USO finals trilogy circa 2010-2013
Met in all four slam finals, along with 8/9 Masters, WTFs, Olympics, Davis Cups and even 500 events
Participated in 38 GS finals out of 48 played; 41 out of the last 51 if we stretch it back to the '07 French
At least one of them finished in the top 2 every year (Djokodal finished as the top 2 in 2011, 2013, 2018 and 2019)
Both finished in the top 3 in 9/12 years (2015/16 due to Nadal's bad form/wrist injury and 2017 due to Novak's elbow injury)
Other notable achievements: Both completed career slams (and have a chance at achieving the DCGS); Djokovic won the Nole Slam and won 5 WTFs; Nadal won La Decima at the French and 2 OLY gold medals (one in singles and one in doubles)
As for H2H, Nole has dominated it since around 2014 (like he's done with like all his peers besides Stan at majors), but their matches between 2007-2013 were classics.
What a dominant decade plus of tennis these two (and Federer to a slightly lesser extent in this period) have put on.
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titoelcolombiano
Legend
Big 2 era
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
What a terrible era.Since 2008, we are living in Djokovic Nadal combined era.
Won 28/44 slams.
Won 53/99 masters 1000s
Won 5/10 WTFs
Ranked YE no1 for 8/10 years.
They won at least 2 slams for 10/11 years, only year missing is 2009 with only 1 slam.
They won 4 or more masters for 9/11 years, only years missing is 2010 and 2017.
In 2010-12, they won 9 consecutive slams.
In 2013-14, they won 9 consecutive masters, that's 9/9 never done before (Nadal won 4 Djokovic 5).
What an absolute domination these 2 have created.
Each of them won 14 slams in that time.
Djokovic won 29 masters and 5 ATP finales.
Nadal won 24 masters.
Last time both were absent from a slam, 2004 Wimbledon.
Last time both were absent from a masters, 2005 Madrid.
Last time both were absent from a WTF, 2005.
Federer is not far behind as he won 8 slams in this era.
1 RG, 1 USO, 3 AO, 3 Wimbledon (Career slam in this era).
No wonder people are turning of in there droves.
Tennis is at its lowest ebb in decades
Djokovic is a pusher
Nadal is a cheat and a moonballer
Bring on the Tsitsipas era
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Djokodal have NOT been a duopoly since 2008. Ranking maybe but if you look at tier 1 titles won, it's been very much a big 4 show:
Fedal years: 2009 (4/4), 2010 (3/6), 2017 (5/4)
Djokodal years: 2008 (4/5), 2011 (8/2), 2013 (5/7), 2018 (4/4), 2019 (4/4)
DjokoFed years: 2012 (5/4)
Djokodal + Wawa: 2014 (6/2/2)
Djokoray years: 2015 (10/2), 2016 (6/5)
So that's 6 seasons dominated by Djoko/Nadal
4 seasons dominated by Fed/Nadal or Djoko/Fed
and 2 seasons dominated by Djoko/Murray
Fed remained a part of the equation even as late as 2017 despite his age.
Fedal years: 2009 (4/4), 2010 (3/6), 2017 (5/4)
Djokodal years: 2008 (4/5), 2011 (8/2), 2013 (5/7), 2018 (4/4), 2019 (4/4)
DjokoFed years: 2012 (5/4)
Djokodal + Wawa: 2014 (6/2/2)
Djokoray years: 2015 (10/2), 2016 (6/5)
So that's 6 seasons dominated by Djoko/Nadal
4 seasons dominated by Fed/Nadal or Djoko/Fed
and 2 seasons dominated by Djoko/Murray
Fed remained a part of the equation even as late as 2017 despite his age.
ForehandRF
Legend
This.Of course there was no such thing as Djokodal duopoly as soon as 2008.From USO 2008 till AO 2010 Federer won 4 out of 6 disputed slams and played in all 6 finals.For the 2005-2010 period, we can say there was a Fedal duopoly.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
There has hardly been a Djokodal duopoly. 2019 is only the 4th year in which they finish in the top 2.
Fedal finished 6 years in a row in the top 2 and again in 2017. That's 7 years.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Fedal was a true duopoly from 2005-10.
Djokovic and Nadal have waxed and waned against each other temporally in form too much to form a duopoly
Djokovic and Nadal have waxed and waned against each other temporally in form too much to form a duopoly
RS
Bionic Poster
Mix in some Murray and Wawrinka in that time frame as well.
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
And let's not bother mentioning that these guys all won 8 slams in their entire career: Lendl, Connors and Agassi.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Since 2008, we are living in Djokovic Nadal combined era.
Won 28/44 slams.
Won 53/99 masters 1000s
Won 5/10 WTFs
Ranked YE no1 for 8/10 years.
They won at least 2 slams for 10/11 years, only year missing is 2009 with only 1 slam.
They won 4 or more masters for 9/11 years, only years missing is 2010 and 2017.
In 2010-12, they won 9 consecutive slams.
In 2013-14, they won 9 consecutive masters, that's 9/9 never done before (Nadal won 4 Djokovic 5).
What an absolute domination these 2 have created.
Each of them won 14 slams in that time.
Djokovic won 29 masters and 5 ATP finales.
Nadal won 24 masters.
Last time both were absent from a slam, 2004 Wimbledon.
Last time both were absent from a masters, 2005 Madrid.
Last time both were absent from a WTF, 2005.
Federer is not far behind as he won 8 slams in this era.
1 RG, 1 USO, 3 AO, 3 Wimbledon (Career slam in this era).
Maybe time to update this?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Razer
G.O.A.T.
True, it is not any duopoly
Since 01st Jan 2018... Slam count
| Rank | Country | Name | Last Date | Count |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 
| Novak Djokovic | 28-08-2023 | 12 |
| 2 | 
| Rafael Nadal | 22-05-2022 | 6 |
| 3 |
| Carlos Alcaraz Garfia | 03-07-2023 | 2 |
| 4 | 
| Roger Federer | 15-01-2018 | 1 |
| 4 | 
| Dominic Thiem | 31-08-2020 | 1 |
| 4 | 
| Daniil Medvedev | 30-08-2021 | 1 |
BIG TITLES
| Rank | Country | Name | Last Date | Count |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
| Novak Djokovic | 12-11-2023 | 24 |
| 2 |
| Rafael Nadal | 22-05-2022 | 12 |
| 3 |
| Daniil Medvedev | 10-05-2023 | 8 |
| 4 | 
| Alexander Zverev | 14-11-2021 | 6 |
| 4 |
| Carlos Alcaraz Garfia | 03-07-2023 | 6 |
| 6 | 
| Stefanos Tsitsipas | 10-04-2022 | 3 |
| 7 |
| Roger Federer | 18-03-2019 | 2 |
Hitman
Bionic Poster
True, it is not any duopoly
Since 01st Jan 2018... Slam count
Rank Country Name Last Date Count 1 Novak Djokovic 28-08-2023 12 2 Rafael Nadal 22-05-2022 6 3 Carlos Alcaraz Garfia 03-07-2023 2 4 Roger Federer 15-01-2018 1 4 Dominic Thiem 31-08-2020 1 4 Daniil Medvedev 30-08-2021 1
BIG TITLES
Rank Country Name Last Date Count 1 Novak Djokovic 12-11-2023 24 2 Rafael Nadal 22-05-2022 12 3 Daniil Medvedev 10-05-2023 8 4 Alexander Zverev 14-11-2021 6 4 Carlos Alcaraz Garfia 03-07-2023 6 6 Stefanos Tsitsipas 10-04-2022 3 7 Roger Federer 18-03-2019 2
So Djokovic has won more slams than the entire tour combined, both active and retired players, since the start of 2018? Incredible scenes.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Yup
It's been a 1 man tour since 2018 if we remove Nadal's french opens and that "gift" which he got from his friend Scott in Australia last year.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Oops the title is 2008 .....Damn I read 2018 .... Apologies @Hitman @nolefam_2024
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
The duopoly ended at RG 2022. We are in free reign Djokovic era post that tournament.
Without Nadal, there is no threat left for Djokovic. Since 2005, Djokovic participated in 72 slams. Out of them, he was beaten in a finished match 41 times.
Out of these 41, 9 losses are just to Nadal and 6 to Federer. 3 to Wawrinka and 2 each to Murray and Safin. That's all.
And Nadal has lost 40 finished matches. 7 of them were to Djokovic. 4 to Federer and 2 to Hewitt.
Both have been each other's biggest rivals. Although for Nadal Roger seems to have a higher respect because Nadal played him as a kid.
Without Nadal, there is no threat left for Djokovic. Since 2005, Djokovic participated in 72 slams. Out of them, he was beaten in a finished match 41 times.
Out of these 41, 9 losses are just to Nadal and 6 to Federer. 3 to Wawrinka and 2 each to Murray and Safin. That's all.
And Nadal has lost 40 finished matches. 7 of them were to Djokovic. 4 to Federer and 2 to Hewitt.
Both have been each other's biggest rivals. Although for Nadal Roger seems to have a higher respect because Nadal played him as a kid.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Federer lost a total of 60 matches. But he also only lost to these players multiple times.
Djokovic 11
Nadal 10
Delpo 2
Nalbandian 2
Berdych 2
Tsonga 2
Djokovic 11
Nadal 10
Delpo 2
Nalbandian 2
Berdych 2
Tsonga 2
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Federer vs Nadal is a bigger rivalry from Nadal's perspective because they clashed at Roger's peak and until his end, plus Rafa became Rafa facing Roger. This rivalry will always be more special one than Djokodal even though Djokodal also has some wonderful matches like AO 12 that went the wire, but Fedal rivalry had its own charm which wont be matched. It is not because Nadal was a kid, it is because of how Nadal grew in that phase fighting Federer, scaling the mountain called Federer is what made Nadal the mountaineer that we know today.
Entername
Professional
Fedal was a true dynasty from 2005-2010 in a sense that they were always the world's two best players but from 2008-2022, two guys won an insane amount of titles at over double the rate of anyone else I think that's what this post is getting at
Entername
Professional
Federer only winning 2 slams between 2010-2016 cost him the GOAT title. For a seven-year stretch, he won less majors than Wawrinka and Murray (and Fed himself from 2017-2018). If we go from Feb 2010-Dec 2016, he won the same amount of majors as Marin Cilic
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