I think after Thiem lost it was a done deal! Ned would have to pull out all the stops in the part of the season he's traditionally done poorly! I think he's skipping Paris Masters and he'd have to take that and the YEC! Why would he succeed this year over any other where he's only gotten to a couple finals?So is YE-#1 basically guaranteed for Nole at some point or could Ned pull something out of his ass like his shorts?
Rule number 1: Never rule out anything in 2020.I think after Thiem lost it was a done deal! Ned would have to pull out all the stops in the part of the season he's traditionally done poorly! I think he's skipping Paris Masters and he'd have to take that and the YEC! Why would he succeed this year over any other where he's only gotten to a couple finals?![]()
That'll tie him with Sampras with 6! He has a real chance for a couple more believe it or not!If Djokovic wins the SF vs Tsitsipas AND Nadal doesn't enter any tournament in October, He is the confirmed YE#1 even if Nadal wins both Bercy and WTF.
Nadal can't enter St Petersburg(500) and the other 3 250's starting from 12th October. He can play Antwerp(250)/Cologne(250) starting 19th October OR play Vienna(500)/Astana(250) starting 26th October. He has to win one of these October tournaments AND win Bercy+WTF , if at all he does enter.
So yeah, Novak in the final will pretty much guarantee his #6th YE!
It is nothing seriousAny update on Novak's niggles/injury?
With lead going to 2090 Nadal could technically still end the year as #1, but only if he win RG, Bercy and WTF without losing any RR matches while Novak loses all of his. We still have to wait for official news regarding keeping the points pre-April from 2020 until 2022, but if it's confirmed then RG or WTF can decide the record.Not quite yet. After dropping WTF 2019 points Djokovic leads Nadal by 1610. I doubt Nadal will play any 500s, but if we include one, then he can earn up to 2640 with it and Bercy+WTF (2140 without the 500 obviously). Thiem on the other hand can get 1610 with Bercy+WTF (He won Vienna last year so can't get more points there). He's 2735 points behind Djokovic though, so he's out of it now. Novak himself can add 2580 (3080 with a 500) and if he wins RG then it's a done deal. If Novak reaches and loses in the RG final (would extend the lead to 2090 points) then Nadal would have to win both Bercy and WTF with winning all of his RR matches AND Novak would have to lose all of his (assuming neither plays in any other events). If Nadal doesn't win Bercy and doesn’t play any other events then it's a done deal.
Nole gained a few points by making the final in Paris! That's something; add 480 pts.!With lead going to 2090 Nadal could technically still end the year as #1, but only if he win RG, Bercy and WTF without losing any RR matches while Novak loses all of his. We still have to wait for official news regarding keeping the points pre-April from 2020 until 2022, but if it's confirmed then RG or WTF can decide the record.
It's already included.Nole gained a few points by making the final in Paris! That's something; add 480 pts.!![]()
With WTF points dropping it will be 2090 points, so 50 points more for Novak and it's mathematically done (for this year) though it's practically his now. Will take a look at his chances for the record after RG.Just an update:
Djokovic now has a lead over Nadal of 1890 points no matter what happens Sunday. Considering the announcement from the ATP about ranking points being kept until March 2021, Djokovic is now in prime position to break the record next March.
Yes plus he was abysmal at WTF last year. He should be able to improve on that performance and add more points.It's already included.
With WTF points dropping it will be 2090 points, so 50 points more for Novak and it's mathematically done (for this year) though it's practically his now. Will take a look at his chances for the record after RG.
He'll gain points at WTF regardless like normal, since those points are not subject to the points freeze.Yes plus he was abysmal at WTF last year. He should be able to improve on that performance and add more points.
Yea those are dropping off so every match he wins, he adds points.He'll gain points at WTF regardless like normal, since those points are not subject to the points freeze.
Guys, just forget the lead in poins to be W#1. I personally don't care whether he in #1 or #2. Wish him luck to win this French open. His task is cut out. But him and only him has the best shot to take down Nadal at Rollan Garros. Keeping fingers crossed!Just an update:
Djokovic now has a lead over Nadal of 1890 points no matter what happens Sunday. Considering the announcement from the ATP about ranking points being kept until March 2021, Djokovic is now in prime position to break the record next March.
I know but the record is close. Lol. He is in a really good position right now though.Guys, just forget the lead in poins to be W#1. I personally don't care whether he in #1 or #2. Wish him luck to win this French open. His task is cut out. But him and only him has the best shot to take down Nadal at Rollan Garros. Keeping fingers crossed!
Rosewall was 34 at the beginning of Open Era, and he reached all 4 GS finals.Another record Nole fans:
Djokovic has now reached the final of all 4 Slams over the age of 30. He is probably the 1st since Laver or Rosewall to do it but I would need someone really good with stats to confirm.
Those Rosewall number are ridiculous. Nobody is doing that at that age. I guess Novak doing it at 31 (Wimbledon, USO, AO), 32 (AO, Wimbledon) and 33 (RG) makes him older than Laver when he did it, but Rosewall is still the top dog as far reaching Slam finals in his 30s.Rosewall was 34 at the beginning of Open Era, and he reached all 4 GS finals.
Roland Garros 1968(34) and 1969(35).
Wimbledon 1970(36) and 1974(40).
US Open 1970(36) and 1974(40).
Australian Open 1971(37) and 1972(38).
He, technically, accomplished these after Laver(1969) in 1971 with his first AO final in OE.
It's not strictly necessary counts only the Open Era, he became Pro at 23, so he never won a Slam "after 30" before the OE.
So he's the third after Laver and Rosewall.
I'm pretty sure only Roger(Miss RG) and Rafa(Miss Wimbledon) featured this achievement in 3 out of 4 GS.
He said he was physically fineHow was Djoko physically in today’s match? His QF was worrying. If he is physically 80% ready then I see Nadal has little chance in the final.
No sign of neck pain or anything physical.How was Djoko physically in today’s match? His QF was worrying. If he is physically 80% ready then I see Nadal has little chance in the final.
Confirmed. Laver reached his last GS final at 31.Those Rosewall number are ridiculous. Nobody is doing that at that age. I guess Novak doing it at 31 (Wimbledon, USO, AO), 32 (AO, Wimbledon) and 33 (RG) makes him older than Laver when he did it, but Rosewall is still the top dog as far reaching Slam finals in his 30s.
He was still old...haha. Good job finding this info btw.Confirmed. Laver reached his last GS final at 31.
I didn't check birth date for Rosewall, only the year, so probably he was one year younger than what I wrote in some GS finals. But this doesn't change what you are saying.
He wont lapse v Nadal. He was winnimg so easily v tsitsipas he lost concentration.Worrying lapses against Tsitsipas tbh
Commiserations Novak fans
Doesn't change the fact that Novak is still a GOAT
Not his best day but still didn't stop him making the most out of the last set.
Only upwards here heading to his favourite part of the season...
Today was not a fight he could take. Bad performance or not, Nadal was out of this world.Disappointing match from Novak, paired with how well Rafa played those 2 sets. Nonetheless full respect and admiration to Rafa, madman on RG clay.
NoleFam look forward to record equaling YE#1 and if all goes according to the plan and Roger's record at weeks at #1 too. Those are some pretty important and swag stats and records.
Tbf Novak could have had a shot at this final but his tactics were very wrong today, attacking the Nadal forehand is a tactic that works very well against him when playing on a hard court with the faster surface and lower bounce, doing that on clay was suicide today. Constantly drop shorting was complete and utter disrespect to Nadals movement and Nadal completely took advantage of that tactic (barely any seem to take him by surprise). Strangely enough Novak started to have a bit of success (albeit very minor) against Nadal in the 3rd set when he cut out the drop shots and started attacking the backhand of Nadal but was sadly too little too lateToday was not a fight he could take. Bad performance or not, Nadal was out of this world.
He dominated Nadal even harder in the AO 19 final, winning 63% of the points(vs 58% today for Nadal), so it's basically the mirror scenario.
If he wins Tour Finals I am gonna be fine with this year. Getting 18 at USO would have been a big deal though.
Has he said he'll play there?Novak to play in Vienna starting 24th of October. Securing that YE#1![]()
Yeah, saw it on twitter.Has he said he'll play there?![]()
Wow, really wasn't expecting that.Yeah, saw it on twitter.
Preparing for WTF - Indoors and hardcourt, and securing YE#1.Wow, really wasn't expecting that.![]()
In some ways it shouldn't be too surprising - I mean he didn't play any professional tennis at all for the best part of six months so I'm guessing there must be plenty of gas left in the tank.Preparing for WTF - Indoors and hardcourt, and securing YE#1.
Actually I feel worse about 2013 even more after this. Beating prime Nadal at RG DAMN! He was really close.I feel a lot better already to be honest. Maybe the fact that he was never close to winning makes it hurt a lot less than a match like the 2013 semifinal for instance. And if anyone can bounce back from a defeat like this it's Djokovic.
Yeah it's disappointing but if someone had told me after the USO debacle that he'd go on to win Rome and be RU at RG, only losing to an unbelievable Nadal in the final, I'd've taken it.Actually I feel worse about 2013 even more after this. Beating prime Nadal at RG DAMN! He was really close.
Also makes one realise how much Novak has declined on clay! Still manages to win masters and reach RG SF/F