Djokovic now leads Nadal in all areas of the season outside clay
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messiahrobins
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5 sections there. 3 of which are on djokovics best surface.
TheNachoMan
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Nadal and his coaches knew the tour was HC dominant before he became a player.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Incredible scenes!
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Feels the gap on summer HC should be wider given how much more Djokovic is consistent there but boy Nadal shows what a player he is given he won 10 despite not being anywhere near as consistent there.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
You are saying Novak is better in the surfaces and tournaments most played? I have to agree!
messiahrobins
Legend
Spain has virtually all courts on clay outdoors. Are younp saying he should have emigrated?
TheNachoMan
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"I like playing on grass or indoor hard courts more than clay" - a young Rafael Nadal on his preference for court surfaces
Rafael Nadal's accomplishments are far too many to list, but given his tremendous success on clay, it would be an understatement to say he has excelled on the surface.
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messiahrobins
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Djokovic is overall a better hard court player yes.You are saying Novak is better in the surfaces and tournaments most played? I have to agree!
Federer the best grass player
Nadal the best clay player
Therefore no overall goat. Djokovic was one match away at sw19 though.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Safin grew up in Spain and he's better on HC than clay.
messiahrobins
Legend
But he wasnt better on them was he?"I like playing on grass or indoor hard courts more than clay" - a young Rafael Nadal on his preference for court surfaces
Rafael Nadal's accomplishments are far too many to list, but given his tremendous success on clay, it would be an understatement to say he has excelled on the surface.
messiahrobins
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He is russian.
BeatlesFan
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Biotic
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That's just sad.
nolefam_2024
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16 vs 1 boom
Lauren_Girl'
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Could've been 16-0 if Ljubicic wasn't such a choker. 2 sets to 0, served for the match, 2 points away in the 5th and still lost.
DSH
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LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
Strong era TTW says, former No.3 ,no?
djokovic the conqueror
Professional
Nadal never had a good argument for goathood. It takes much more than winning a lot on a single surface to become goat. Djokovic dominated on grass and hard for multiple seasons. Plus, he was always more consistent than Nadal throughout a calendar year. Nadal can have the crumbs on clay while Djokovic already has the full course meal.
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Rattie
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None of which means Rafa isn’t an incredible player. He is and I don’t really give a flying fig what Novak achieves. I prefer Rafa’s tennis and Rafa’s personality. Each to their own. Endless threads on here about how Novak is the best of everything won’t make the slightest difference to how I feel.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
The old wolf is enjoying a banquet with all the defenseless prey that he has encountered for some time on the tour.Courts were further slowed down to promote Nadal type play but nobody anticipated Djokovic would emerge from the same age group of Nadal.
He is insatiable!
StrongRule
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I guess the "good" arguments are massively inflating your career in the asterisk era, in which 2023 is a totally new low. This doesn't add anything to Djokovic's legacy. Before the asterisk era Nadal was ahead overall.
Djokodal Fan
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The always #2 strikes like a cobra on clay
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DSH
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Only idiots will believe that Djoker is superior to Nadal and Federer for taking advantage of a generation without enough hunger to be better; the guy is taking advantage of the best way to increase his numbers to such a degree that he could surpass the Major titles won in his 30s than he did in his 20s.
He just needs to win one more GS trophy and he will be more successful in his later years than in his prime.
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nolefam_2024
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What a choker.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Change your absurd avatar name, pal.
Put down the mask and show yourself as you are.
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
I think only here on TTW they (his cultish fans)believe player who has few guite big flaws (compared to one whose consistent excellence through surfaces ,conditions and whole seasons is shining through his results is GOAT candidate .Personally I still rate Federer above him
nolefam_2024
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nolefam_2024
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I do too. Fed and Nole are at same level tbh.
DSH
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
To get over RF Nadal needs to win at least one Wimbledon more.
It won't happen
Razer
G.O.A.T.
The old wolf is enjoying a banquet with all the defenseless prey that he has encountered for some time on the tour.
He is insatiable!
Old Wolf is in great shape which is shocking since he is from the 2000s like Federer & Nadal, so he deserves his kills.
Federer feasted on weaklings in the 2000s, even Nadal rose to rank 2 at 19 because of a vacuum, the same vacuum which exists today and helped Alcaraz to rise to rank 1.
In simple words :
Hewitt, Safin and Roddick were losers to allow Nadal to rise to rank 2
Medvedev, Zverev and Tsistipas are losers to allow Alcaraz to rise to rank 1/2
People in mid 20s are not supposed to allow Teenagers to be ranked so high.
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DSH
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Sure, but if Federer's generation was mentally weak (I don't dispute it), the generations of players born in the second half of the 90s are, in comparison, mentally depressed.
They are only satisfied with the great life they have (thanks to the Big 3, curiously) and they have not been able or able to improve their serious technical and strategic deficiencies to defeat a player who already he is not the same as he was 10 or even 5 years ago.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Someone who calls himself Djokodal and only speaks ill of his supposed co-favorite player does not deserve to bear that name.too aggressive towards ppl here lately, maybe also need to slow down a bit. also id recommend to change too kinda absurd avi of yours, if you're a guy, coz it doesnt fit at all to a guy tbh
LaVie en Rose
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No.Fed level is surpassed by Djokovic.
Djokodal Fan
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Unseeded Player
Hall of Fame
If the homogenization did happened than Nadal would took advantage of that, it's not just Novak, he had early losses against players who are lower ranked than 100. On the surface that is closer to clay by ball speed and bounce that wouldn't happpen.Courts were further slowed down to promote Nadal type play but nobody anticipated Djokovic would emerge from the same age group of Nadal.
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Unseeded Player
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Your welcome from Baghdatis, Gonzales, Phillipoussis, Blake and Davydenko.
Razer
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Sure, but if Federer's generation was mentally weak (I don't dispute it), the generations of players born in the second half of the 90s are, in comparison, mentally depressed.
They are only satisfied with the great life they have (thanks to the Big 3, curiously) and they have not been able or able to improve their serious technical and strategic deficiencies to defeat a player who already he is not the same as he was 10 or even 5 years ago.
It is not like that.
I always say a generation is 10+ years and not 5 years, there is a reason for this. Roddick is Federer's peer in his generation but Djoker & Nadal are also in Federer's generation but they are the younger lot of players in the generation. So someone born in the early 1990s is a flat 1 generation after Federer.
Now notice how Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas are better as a trio than Thiem/Dimitrov/Raonic, the younger lot of guys born in 1990s gen are better than the older lot born in 1990s gen ..... this is because the older lot are closer in age to the Big 3, the closer you are the bigger loser you become.....
So unless you have a full 10 years apart from a player, you will suffer ..... Thiem did not suffer at the hands of Federer because his age gap was 11-12 to him but he suffered to Nadal because age gap is only 6-7 years which is nothing.....
This whole myth of decline, old age, generation gap being 5 years is a concept restricted to 1990s or before that, not for current athletes..... So 1990s generation being bad is a side effect of 1980s generation being so good..... It had to happen...... Djokovic suffered in his 20s because he was the youngest of the 1980s generation and hence the biggest rookie, but in his 30s he has compensated for that by being the slowest to decline, not just because he is youngest of his 80s gen, but because he maintains his body the best and he is the best of the 80s physically,........ so his physicality has made him the best @DSH ... you cannot blame 1990s gen being bad.
joekapa
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Poor Rafa, always the middle child.Courts were further slowed down to promote Nadal type play but nobody anticipated Djokovic would emerge from the same age group of Nadal.
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