Djokovic now leads Nadal in all areas of the season outside clay

[joekapa]

None of which means Rafa isn’t an incredible player. He is and I don’t really give a flying fig what Novak achieves. I prefer Rafa’s tennis and Rafa’s personality. Each to their own. Endless threads on here about how Novak is the best of everything won’t make the slightest difference to how I feel.

I agree. From a Novak fan.

 

[DSH]

It is not like that.

I always say a generation is 10+ years and not 5 years, there is a reason for this. Roddick is Federer's peer in his generation but Djoker & Nadal are also in Federer's generation but they are the younger lot of players in the generation. So someone born in the early 1990s is a flat 1 generation after Federer.

Now notice how Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas are better as a trio than Thiem/Dimitrov/Raonic, the younger lot of guys born in 1990s gen are better than the older lot born in 1990s gen ..... this is because the older lot are closer in age to the Big 3, the closer you are the bigger loser you become.....

So unless you have a full 10 years apart from a player, you will suffer ..... Thiem did not suffer at the hands of Federer because his age gap was 11-12 to him but he suffered to Nadal because age gap is only 6-7 years which is nothing.....

This whole myth of decline, old age, generation gap being 5 years is a concept restricted to 1990s or before that, not for current athletes..... So 1990s generation being bad is a side effect of 1980s generation being so good..... It had to happen...... Djokovic suffered in his 20s because he was the youngest of the 1980s generation and hence the biggest rookie, but in his 30s he has compensated for that by being the slowest to decline, not just because he is youngest of his 80s gen, but because he maintains his body the best and he is the best of the 80s physically,........ so his physicality has made him the best @DSH ... you cannot blame 1990s gen being bad.

Of course, who can deny it.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic's last 11 GS final opponents:

Medvedev, Alcaraz, Ruud, Tsitsipas, Kyrgios, Medvedev, Berretini, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Nadal, Thiem

Djokovic draw at USO

Muller
Zapata Moralles
Djere
Gojo
Fridge
Phone Boy
Sickvedev

 

[Razer]

Federer fans tried to convince us that a generation was 4-5 years which is absurd.

A generation has always been 10 years

When you are 20 years old then your career is beginning
When you are 30 years old then your career's end is not far, so whoever at 20 years old is coming at that time is your next gen.

This is the simple logic that every ATG/professional in real life follow which is very different from what @ND-13 @duaneeo @TMF @abmk @mike danny and friends follow here.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

razer well done especially what you did with last part

 

[ND-13]

Alcaraz less than 10 years old than Thiem and Medvedev. Same era.

 

[Tennfan123]

Lol posts like this are funny.
You guys know these are not your achievements, right?

 

[Razer]

Alcaraz less than 10 years old than Thiem and Medvedev. Same era.

5 Generations of Tennis are as follows

Gen 1 : 0-9 years old - a kid
Gen 2 : 10-19 years old - a teenager who is preparing to become a pro tennis player
Gen 3 : 20-29 years old - your prime physical health
Gen 4 : 30-39 years old - past your prime career
Gen 5 : 40 and above ..... retired folk .... commentators/coaches etc etc

10 years age difference required to be called a generation apart.

 

[Winners or Errors]

Winter HC season AO, IW, Miami

Djokovic 21
Nadal 5

Spring Clay MC, Madrid, Rome, RG

Djokovic 14
Nadal 40

Grass W

Djokovic 7
Nadal 2

Summer HC season Canada, Cincy, USO

Djokovic 11
Nadal 10

Fall Season Shanghai, Paris, YEC

Djokovic 16
Nadal 1

That was destined to happen. I'm surprised it took this long, actually.

 

[Mustard]

Poor Rafa, always the middle child.

Rafa dealt with the best Federer and the best Djokovic, and won more times than he lost on the biggest stages. The other two can't say the same.

 

[joekapa]

Rafa dealt with the best Federer and the best Djokovic, and won more times than he lost on the biggest stages. The other two can't say the same.

He ducked and weaved himself into history !

 

[Mustard]

He ducked and weaved himself into history !

LOL. Keep living in that fantasy world.

 

[joekapa]

LOL. Keep living in that fantasy world.

Maths ain't fantasy.

 

[ND-13]

5 Generations of Tennis are as follows

Gen 1 : 0-9 years old - a kid
Gen 2 : 10-19 years old - a teenager who is preparing to become a pro tennis player
Gen 3 : 20-29 years old - your prime physical health
Gen 4 : 30-39 years old - past your prime career
Gen 5 : 40 and above ..... retired folk .... commentators/coaches etc etc

10 years age difference required to be called a generation apart.

Your mental gymnastics is funny. Just 2 posts about you said it is 10+ . When I give examples it becomes 0-9. When I give the next example it will become 0-7.. LMAO

 

[NoleFam]

I guess that's why your name is @Hitman . You hit 'em hard with this and Nadal fans are not happy. Is there any other response other than "weak era", the same weak era Nadal played in?

 

[Mustard]

I guess that's why your name is @Hitman . You hit 'em hard with this and Nadal fans are not happy. Is there any other response other than "weak era", the same weak era Nadal played in?

Nah. He prefers Shawn Michaels to Bret Hart, as I recall.

 

[Razer]

Your mental gymnastics is funny. Just 2 posts about you said it is 10+ . When I give examples it becomes 0-9. When I give the next example it will become 0-7.. LMAO

Read again

0 to 9 is 10 years
Count and see

Plus It is you who is doing gymnastics, you said Thiem and Alcaraz which is also wrong mathematically, Thiem in 1993 born, Alcaraz is 2003, they are a generation apart,

 

[messiahrobins]

None of which means Rafa isn’t an incredible player. He is and I don’t really give a flying fig what Novak achieves. I prefer Rafa’s tennis and Rafa’s personality. Each to their own. Endless threads on here about how Novak is the best of everything won’t make the slightest difference to how I feel.

Why are quuens and olympics left off. In 2008 nadal won quuens on grass and the olympics on hard. It just so happens he beat Djokovic at both those events. Seems a bit unfair to leave out two tournament wins when Nadal may have been at his absolute best.

 

[Backspin1183]

So Nadal was leading Djokovic all these years, until he got old and his body broke down, in the NA summer hard court swing!

Beyond epic!!

 

[Lauren_Girl']

Why are quuens and olympics left off. In 2008 nadal won quuens on grass and the olympics on hard. It just so happens he beat Djokovic at both those events. Seems a bit unfair to leave out two tournament wins when Nadal may have been at his absolute best.

OP is only including Slams/WTF and Masters1000. Queen's was still a 250 at the time. That's the only time Nadal defeated Nole on grass. In a 250... I don't leave it off but is it really that significant to determine who's the better player in the grass area of the season?

 

[ND-13]

Read again

0 to 9 is 10 years
Count and see

Plus It is you who is doing gymnastics, you said Thiem and Alcaraz which is also wrong mathematically, Thiem in 1993 born, Alcaraz is 2003, they are a generation apart,

LMAO .. your post is ‘ I always say a generation is 10+ years and not 5 years, there is a reason for this’

And Alacaraz and Med are same gen ? Comical

0-9 is just 0-9. It doesn’t become 10 or 10+

 

[Razer]

LMAO .. your post is ‘ I always say a generation is 10+ years and not 5 years, there is a reason for this’

And Alacaraz and Med are same gen ? Comical

Alcaraz and Medvedev are 7 years apart

Medvedev turned pro in 2014
Alcaraz turned pro in 2018

Medvedev won his first slam in 2021
Alcaraz won his first slam in 2022

Of course they are same generation between themselves

Just because Djokovic is born in 1987 and Raonic in 1990 doesnt mean they are a generation apart because they fall in 80s and 90s diff decades, LOL, you need to think properly and understand things better. I said 10 years difference is needed for someone to be a generation apart, this analogy stands.

 

[joekapa]

Nadal fans, don't despair!

We'll always have Paris.....

 

[Milanez82]

Djokovic always had the game to be better then Nadal, took a while to have it all click together.

 

[Mustard]

Djokovic always had the game to be better then Nadal, took a while to have it all click together.

At best, Djokovic has outlasted Nadal. Not really the same thing as "better".

 

[Razer]

At best, Djokovic has outlasted Nadal. Not really the same thing as "better".

Outlasting is a result of being better.

 

[Mustard]

Outlasting is a result of being better.

Nope.

 

[Beulah Jesus]

Winter HC season AO, IW, Miami

Djokovic 21
Nadal 5

Spring Clay MC, Madrid, Rome, RG

Djokovic 14
Nadal 40

Grass W

Djokovic 7
Nadal 2

Summer HC season Canada, Cincy, USO

Djokovic 11
Nadal 10

Fall Season Shanghai, Paris, YEC

Djokovic 16
Nadal 1

Thank you for the educational statistic.

I still choose Rafa everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

 

[Razer]

Nope.

16,950 points is better than 15,300 points during that 08-09 phase, better no ?

 

[Unseeded Player]

Rafa dealt with the best Federer and the best Djokovic, and won more times than he lost on the biggest stages. The other two can't say the same.

Fed was a good matchup for Rafa. Novak on the other side wasn't. Only 2 wins outside clay since 2011.

 

[messiahrobins]

OP is only including Slams/WTF and Masters1000. Queen's was still a 250 at the time. That's the only time Nadal defeated Nole on grass. In a 250... I don't leave it off but is it really that significant to determine who's the better player in the grass area of the season?

Nadal defeated Djokovic at wimbledonnin 2007. Djokovic was no.3 in the world at that point.
Queens and halle have to be put at the same status a m1000s as there are so few grass court events. How many m1000s would sampras and federer won had there been 6 grass court m1000s?