Djokovic or Murray?

Better slam carrer?

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 50 59.5%
  • Murray

    Votes: 34 40.5%

  • Total voters
    84

egn

Hall of Fame
Who do you think will have the better slam carrer, Djokovic or Murray? Reasoning? How many they win? Which slams?

I am going to have to give the edge to Djokovic, once he grows up I say he wins about 7 or 8. I pencil Murray in around the same, but I think Djokovic can be the first man since Agassi to do a career slam. (Yes Nadal fans i do not think Nadal will do it.) Djokovic has all ready made it to the semis on all of the slams, made it to the finals on the two hard court ones and with a better draw at the French next year I think he can make it to a final there. He can win on clay and can win on grass. I still say hard courts come away his best but I can see him winning something like 3/4 Austraila 1/2 French 1 Wimbledon 2 US Open. Those seem like nice predictions for him.

Murray on the other hand I see thriving in the later part of the year gathering up a bunch of Wimbledon and US Open titles and maybe one Australian Open. Murray does not like clay and seems to do better on the faster surfaces and even said he favors the US Open. I am thinking Murray as a 1 Australia 2/3 Wimbledon 3/4 US Open.

Your opinions?
 

oneguy21

Banned
Murray might win the Aussie Open and/or the US Open next year; he doesn't really have a tangible chance at winning Wimbledon since Federer will probably win it and Roland Garros will most likely be owned by Nadal for awhile. In anycase, Murray has decent shot at Slams in 2009.

As for Djokovic, he's not going to win another Slam in his life.
 

lovecr717

Rookie
Let's not talk about possibilities but facts. The fact is , at this moment, Djoko has already won 1 slam. Nuff said.
 

Conor Irvine

New User
i think djokovic has more attributes to his game plus its a lot more entertaining, i mean uno i dnt have nothing against murray except when i watch him play i feel like putting my head through a wall. i think murray will win 1 or 2 slams but on the other hand i think i gtta give the edge to djokovic 4-6 slams
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Well, up to now Djokovic only has one Slam and his performance after that slam was slightly disappointing until the end of the season.

I think they are pretty similar players, gosh, they even have an equally obsessed mother behind them.

For Djokovic 2009 will be the year to do damage on tour. If he does not win a slam next year, his self-esteem will take a serious blow.

But for Murray too, it is the year of confirmation.

Anyway, I will go for Murray here, I think he still has a big margin for progression, whereas I feel Djokovic is at his maximum level.
 

Zaragoza

Banned
Djokovic has proved to be an all-surface player, Murray didn´t.
I find Djokovic´s game more dominating when he is at his best.
 

DJG

Semi-Pro
If you asked me at the start of 2008 whether Andy will ever win a slam, I would have said no. At this point, I think (am hoping) that both will add a couple to their (currently short) lists. Once again, at the start of 2008 Djoko's fitness was very suspect (to me), but he seems to have improved in this regard.

I don't know who will win the most, but think it will be well short of 14.
 
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Deleted member 33289

Guest
murrays a great player but i personally dont believe that he can keep his temper and arsenal in check to piece together more than a slam or 2. but djokovic on the other hand will get maybe 4-6 for sure.
 
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Deleted member 25923

Guest
Hard to tell right now because Murray has just really broken through as of late this year.

I'm expecting a good rivalry though.
 

Charlzz

Rookie
One thing that is helpful for Murray is that he has beaten the three guys ahead of him. In 2008, he beat Djokovic twice (on hard courts, his best surface), Nadal once, and Federer 3 of 4 times. There's nothing that jumps out at you that would say he could beat the guys ahead of him. He's a bit like Wilander that way. You wonder how he does it.
 
oneguy21

As for Djokovic, he's not going to win another Slam in his life.

Thats ridiculous. Isn't a bit early to say anything about his future? I hesitate so say how many he will win, but he is very likely to win some.
 
I see Murray to be mentally stronger now. Djokovic can't get over himself, he may have a better game, but Murray has a better head.
 

P_Agony

Banned
One thing that is helpful for Murray is that he has beaten the three guys ahead of him. In 2008, he beat Djokovic twice (on hard courts, his best surface), Nadal once, and Federer 3 of 4 times. There's nothing that jumps out at you that would say he could beat the guys ahead of him. He's a bit like Wilander that way. You wonder how he does it.

I'd take Federer's one victory over Murray than Murray's 3 over Fed.
 

GameSampras

Banned
Murray is a mystery to me at times. I dunno how long he can hold up. I question his consistency. When he defeated Roger at the Masters I thought for sure he was a shoe in to win it all. Then he turns to crap Davydenko. Nither Djoker or Murray are truly consistent yet. Its still up in the air for me. Djoker made a big run in the beginning of the season fell of a bit and it wasnt until the end of the season was he playing "Novak tennis.

When it comes to back to back matches.. I will never put my full faith in Murray. He plays great against Nadal.. maybe his best match of the year, then turns to crap against Roger in the Us Open Final. He beats Fed at the masters than turns to crap against Davydenko.

I dont think either one of them have the mental toughness of Nadal. Or what Pete had or Andre in his later years
 
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shakes1975

Semi-Pro
Murray is a mystery to me at times. I dunno how long he can hold up. I question his consistency. When he defeated Roger at the Masters I thought for sure he was a shoe in to win it all. Then he turns to crap Davydenko. Nither Djoker or Murray are truly consistent yet. Its still up in the air for me. Djoker made a big run in the beginning of the season fell of a bit and it wasnt until the end of the season was he playing "Novak tennis.

When it comes to back to back matches.. I will never put my full faith in Murray. He plays great against Nadal.. maybe his best match of the year, then turns to crap against Roger in the Us Open Final. He beats Fed at the masters than turns to crap against Davydenko

I agree with you on this. The problem is neither djok nor murray is as fit as fed or nadal. i don't think they can last a full season playing well, unlike fed or even nadal.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Murray is a mystery to me at times. I dunno how long he can hold up. I question his consistency. When he defeated Roger at the Masters I thought for sure he was a shoe in to win it all. Then he turns to crap Davydenko. Nither Djoker or Murray are truly consistent yet. Its still up in the air for me. Djoker made a big run in the beginning of the season fell of a bit and it wasnt until the end of the season was he playing "Novak tennis.

When it comes to back to back matches.. I will never put my full faith in Murray. He plays great against Nadal.. maybe his best match of the year, then turns to crap against Roger in the Us Open Final. He beats Fed at the masters than turns to crap against Davydenko

I agree. I'm not willing to invest much into Murray right now. Not enough consistency. He played one good match against Nadal, only the future knows how consistent he'll be the next time they meet.
 

GameSampras

Banned
Yes I definitely agree with u guys.. Thats a big reason why I dont feel either Murray nor Djokovic are ready to pick up the #1 spot and run with it for a while. I dunno if it is mental or just not being fit enough. Neither seem to have that ability yet to play consistent week in week out tennis on a high level. We'll see.

I think both may have a run at the #1 spot eventuall though.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Yes I definitely agree with u guys.. Thats a big reason why I dont feel either Murray nor Djokovic are ready to pick up the #1 spot and run with it for a while. I dunno if it is mental or just not being fit enough. Neither seem to have that ability yet to play consistent week in week out tennis on a high level. We'll see.

I think both may have a run at the #1 spot eventuall though.

Nadal came on the scene like a comet. We never questioned his mental capacity or his dealing with pressure.

Djoke and Murray were on the scene a little before realizing some of their potential. I think these next two seasons will get them fully prepared. Novak dealt with it this year, Murray will deal with it next year, but soon, both should be in contention for the #1. And tennis will still be grand!
 

robertg06

Professional
I still cannot understand why Andy Murray has any fans at all. In britain here practically every tennis watcher and player I know hates him but the general population seems to like him for some reason. Maybe they don't watch and experience how boring it is to see him swear repeatedly on live television. I applaud him for his achievements, but I doubt that he will get anywhere near Djokovic.
 

SempreSami

Hall of Fame
I still cannot understand why Andy Murray has any fans at all. In britain here practically every tennis watcher and player I know hates him but the general population seems to like him for some reason. Maybe they don't watch and experience how boring it is to see him swear repeatedly on live television. I applaud him for his achievements, but I doubt that he will get anywhere near Djokovic.
Lighten up.
 
I still cannot understand why Andy Murray has any fans at all. In britain here practically every tennis watcher and player I know hates him but the general population seems to like him for some reason. Maybe they don't watch and experience how boring it is to see him swear repeatedly on live television. I applaud him for his achievements, but I doubt that he will get anywhere near Djokovic.

He is this weird combination of brash and whiney, almost ... more American in a Lleyton Hewitt way.

In America, there are purists who dislike him. But the casual sports fan probably sees him as a faceless pasty, lanky British guy. When/if he wins Wimbledon or the Open (or RG or the Oipen), I think he'll actually be big here.

I'm kind of a purist, and do not like the swearing and the whining, but, I love his game and I root for him against everyone but maybe Federer and Tsonga.

To the Op's question: they are both fighters, and they'll both do really well when the Rafa/Roger hegemony fades. I think Murray over Djoko. I see Nole as too hot and cold to rack up a LOT of slams (he'll win plenty, though). Just not as many as Murray, who I see as having the ability to go deep into a 2 week event more consistently. I realize he is no Federer, but his game and his movement seem effortless compared to Nole's, imho.

Plus, there's the Braveheart angle.
Frrrreeeedddddommmmm!
 

All-rounder

Legend
if i were to base it on consistency i would say murray ever since his breakthrough he's been able to beat federer and now nadal

Djoker is a great player i thought he would do major damage after his aussie open but he tended to drop off his game fell apart and i say that master cup title is a fluke as the standards where way below average think im wrong how did davydenko get to final and why was it 3 sets insteas of 5?
 

FlamEnemY

Hall of Fame
if i were to base it on consistency i would say murray ever since his breakthrough he's been able to beat federer and now nadal

Djoker is a great player i thought he would do major damage after his aussie open but he tended to drop off his game fell apart and i say that master cup title is a fluke as the standards where way below average think im wrong how did davydenko get to final and why was it 3 sets insteas of 5?

Murray's so called breakthrough has only laster 5-6 months, whereas Djokovic has been No 3 for quite some time now. He was also able to beat Federer and Nadal, and is probably one of the few who actually stand a chance against Nadal on clay.
I'd say it is too early to tell who is more consistent, but considering the current facts, I'd say Djokovic is going to end up having a better career. He may even win all of the four majors, it's not impossible, although still unlikely.

About the MS cup - what is wrong with Davydenko reaching the final? He is amazing when he actually decides to play. This tournament was one of those occasions.
 

All-rounder

Legend
Murray's so called breakthrough has only laster 5-6 months, whereas Djokovic has been No 3 for quite some time now. He was also able to beat Federer and Nadal, and is probably one of the few who actually stand a chance against Nadal on clay.
I'd say it is too early to tell who is more consistent, but considering the current facts, I'd say Djokovic is going to end up having a better career. He may even win all of the four majors, it's not impossible, although still unlikely.

About the MS cup - what is wrong with Davydenko reaching the final? He is amazing when he actually decides to play. This tournament was one of those occasions.
ok il accept that he has a greater chance of winning more slams than murray but him winning all slams is not happening with nadal there

In my eyes davydenko got lucky i think murray would of creamed if he had not been eager to try and finish off federer in the round robin stages and then become very tired but its a rookie mistake which il now he will fix but i am sure djoker is not defending his aussie open or his masters cup having that nadal, federer, tsonga, simon, murray and many players are going to be in fresh form come 2009
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
When it comes to back to back matches.. I will never put my full faith in Murray. He plays great against Nadal.. maybe his best match of the year, then turns to crap against Roger in the Us Open Final. He beats Fed at the masters than turns to crap against Davydenko.

USO final - nerves for murray+ federer played probably his best HC match of the year+ murray didn't get too much of rest after the previous days match

Masters Cup SF - He was tired after the 3hr long battle with federer, it was obvious that he wasn't go to be anywhere near his best in the semis, and that is what happened..

Nothing to do with back-back to matches as you put it. He had a 14 match winning streak in the later part of the HC season, remember ?

I dont think either one of them have the mental toughness of Nadal. Or what Pete had or Andre in his later years

Of course they don't.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
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To me it seems, murray's best on HC > djokovic's best on HC . Let's see if murray can bring his best up and win in a slam final. Djokovic is better on clay and grass clearly. As of now novak, but could change depending on how murray improves on grass and clay and whether djokovic is able to become more physically fit .
 

FlamEnemY

Hall of Fame
ok il accept that he has a greater chance of winning more slams than murray but him winning all slams is not happening with nadal there
Yes, this is why it is still very unlikely. However, he has e good chance if Nadal slips in the next three or so years.

However, Murray has time to improve. I guess we must wait and see.
 
murray. he's got more variety, just as quick, better slice, better vollies, content to push at times and be patient when the situation warrants, unlike the hot and cold djokovic. due to murray's variety, he can beat you in many different ways depending on opponent's game, unlike djokovic, who is supersolid but much less multifaceted.

not sure why people are saying djokovic will be/is better on grass than murray. murray's slice, volleys, guile, quickness, serve, etc. translate perfectly to grass, whereas djokovic's volleys and slice are a tad suspect.

and as far as clay potential, i see murray having a more suitable game than djokovic, since he is patient, can push the ball, and has recently dedicated himself to becoming superfit, fitness being something djokovic needs to improve his "breathing problem" notwithstanding. also heard murray can bench 300, which ,if true, evidences his dedication to conditioning.

another thing is that i don't think people realize murray's change in court temperment/demeanor. sure he used to mope and whine, but towards the middle and end of '08, he seriously started limiting his negative emotions and exagerating his positive ones. he's even slightly confrontational on the court now, something that i think will help him keep focus.

just my 2 cents
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
I don't really see the big deal about Djoko. he's good, yes, very good indeed, but I never bought the whole "big 3" thing.

other than AO08 Djokovic hasn't done anything that would suggest he'll win 7-8 slams. outside experience, I think he's right there with Murray, Tsonga and the likes.
 
I don't really see the big deal about Djoko. he's good, yes, very good indeed, but I never bought the whole "big 3" thing.

other than AO08 Djokovic hasn't done anything that would suggest he'll win 7-8 slams. outside experience, I think he's right there with Murray, Tsonga and the likes.

That's why he creamed Nadal at the beginning of the year on hard courts. He just lost his form after the clay court season.
 
That's why he creamed Nadal at the beginning of the year on hard courts. He just lost his form after the clay court season.

There are two sides to it though. One could also say he got lucky at the start of the year to dominate with no competition really: Federer in a massive slump and at the worst stage of his mono, Nadal not yet blossoming on hard courts, Murray not a top threat yet. The reason he "lost his form" is mostly since others found theirs.
 

egn

Hall of Fame
There are two sides to it though. One could also say he got lucky at the start of the year to dominate with no competition really: Federer in a massive slump and at the worst stage of his mono, Nadal not yet blossoming on hard courts, Murray not a top threat yet. The reason he "lost his form" is mostly since others found theirs.

Only problem I have with that argument is you can not make excuses for other players, it could be possible he just was playing better tennis and they caught onto his style. Saying Djokovic had no competition in the beginning of the year is awfully backed up for a few reasons. Nadal definitely blossomed on hard courts all ready he just became consistent and he made it to at least the semifinals in the first 3 big hard court tournaments. Tsogna was playing some of the best hard court tennis in a long time. Djokovic beat both the number 1 and number 2 in the early part of the year. I feel Djokovic is a definite threat for hard court slams and think his losing of his form was soley him losing his form as his lack of maturity but I see that changing in a year or two.
 
Definitely Djokovic.
Djokovic seems to have the mentality of a champion and will continue to dominate through.

Djokovic has superb mental toughness, and hardly ever breaks down.

Murray can still get mad at himself, and break down.

Djokovic doesn't let this affect his tennis.
 
Only problem I have with that argument is you can not make excuses for other players, it could be possible he just was playing better tennis and they caught onto his style. Saying Djokovic had no competition in the beginning of the year is awfully backed up for a few reasons. Nadal definitely blossomed on hard courts all ready he just became consistent and he made it to at least the semifinals in the first 3 big hard court tournaments. Tsogna was playing some of the best hard court tennis in a long time. Djokovic beat both the number 1 and number 2 in the early part of the year. I feel Djokovic is a definite threat for hard court slams and think his losing of his form was soley him losing his form as his lack of maturity but I see that changing in a year or two.

Nadal didnt really start to blossom on hard courts until the summer with the confidence of finally winning his first non-clay court slam. Yeah he made some semis earlier in the year but they were courtesy of nice draws and choking by a few of his opponents (eg- Tsonga and Blake in Miami). Federer was crap in the early part of the year, beating him in Australia when he could barely beat Tipsarevic, and when in coming months he would be hammered by Mardy Fish and lose to Roddick, is nothing. He was probably about 40% of his best around then. Tsonga had one big event in Australia then dissapeared for awhile, and it was his first slam final so it is understandable he didnt handle the occasion and perform particularly well.

The reality is there was no competition for Djokovic this winter, not with Federer badly off form, Murray not a threat, and Nadal not really challenging the best on hard courts yet. Easy to look impressive when there is no difficult opposition to face. Harder when others find their feet again.
 

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is better all round on all surfaces. He's been to the semi's of all 4 right? He is just more of a threat than Murray. Murray won't likely win RG or even Wimby imo.
 
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