Djokovic reaches 100 weeks at #1

Phoenix* said:
Can't compare to 2011. 6-0 in 2011 vs 3-3 in 2013.
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In fact 2011 MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.


Never before in the history of tennis had a player but able to reverse the trend of losses vs younger opponent TILL 2012/13 Nadal. Take any famous rivalries.

Borg beat Connors for 10 straight matches.
Lendl beat Connors for 17 straight matches once he got hold of the rivalry.
McEnroe beat Connors for 12 out of last 15 matches.
Djokovic beat Murray 14 of the last 17 matches.


"Djokovic now OWNS Nadal pshychologically just the way Nadal owns Federer pshychologically. It only happens in the sport of tennis (That's right), once you break someone's will, it's done, you're done and you can play as long as you want, you won't beat the guy"

This is what the analyst said post 2012 AO (7-0 and all 7 big finals). From there on, Nadal to come to Nole's court and thrashing him so bad, I think Nadal fans deserve to boast that time. Nole missed his target in 2013. He became Nadal's bunny. It was only after such a huge loss that he started firing up on all cylinders and changed his coaches and mindset.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
In fact 2011 MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.


Never before in the history of tennis had a player but able to reverse the trend of losses vs younger opponent TILL 2012/13 Nadal. Take any famous rivalries.

Borg beat Connors for 10 straight matches.
Lendl beat Connors for 17 straight matches once he got hold of the rivalry.
McEnroe beat Connors for 12 out of last 15 matches.
Djokovic beat Murray 14 of the last 17 matches.


"Djokovic now OWNS Nadal pshychologically just the way Nadal owns Federer pshychologically. It only happens in the sport of tennis (That's right), once you break someone's will, it's done, you're done and you can play as long as you want, you won't beat the guy"

This is what the analyst said post 2012 AO (7-0 and all 7 big finals). From there on, Nadal to come to Nole's court and thrashing him so bad, I think Nadal fans deserve to boast that time. Nole missed his target in 2013. He became Nadal's bunny. It was only after such a huge loss that he started firing up on all cylinders and changed his coaches and mindset.
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2011 tops everything. Nadal was ready to take over the tour, but was instead sidelined as a pigeon.
 
Phoenix* said:
Vague talk. Nadal was pigeoned at his absolute peak. 24-25 years old, making every final, just to lose to a better player.
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Not vague at all. You are trying to REWRITE narrative by being fraudulent.

In 2013 , Nadal fans had very little to be jealous of Nole fans. They HATED us but they never thought Nole was going to break Nadal's records. Not after the disaster that was his 2013 grand slam season. @Hitman may know more than me on this boards. Out of this circular talk.
Yes 2011 year is so good @Phoenix* Nadal literally retired by end of usopen and nothing he did since then mattered.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
In fact 2011 MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.


Never before in the history of tennis had a player but able to reverse the trend of losses vs younger opponent TILL 2012/13 Nadal. Take any famous rivalries.

Borg beat Connors for 10 straight matches.
Lendl beat Connors for 17 straight matches once he got hold of the rivalry.
McEnroe beat Connors for 12 out of last 15 matches.
Djokovic beat Murray 14 of the last 17 matches.


"Djokovic now OWNS Nadal pshychologically just the way Nadal owns Federer pshychologically. It only happens in the sport of tennis (That's right), once you break someone's will, it's done, you're done and you can play as long as you want, you won't beat the guy"

This is what the analyst said post 2012 AO (7-0 and all 7 big finals). From there on, Nadal to come to Nole's court and thrashing him so bad, I think Nadal fans deserve to boast that time. Nole missed his target in 2013. He became Nadal's bunny. It was only after such a huge loss that he started firing up on all cylinders and changed his coaches and mindset.
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Hang on a second: McEnroe is six and a half years younger than Connors, and Lendl is seven and a half years younger than him. Djokovic is one year younger than Nadal and one week younger than Murray. So, the younger player taking over was much more inevitable in the rivalries that involved Connors than in the ones that involved Djokovic.

By the way, I don't see the narrative that the younger player completely takes over as being true to all historical rivalries. Lendl was competitive with Becker to the end and actually won their last two matches to finish up 11-10 in the H2H. That's despite being more than seven and a half years older than Becker. (He did lose the last four matches against Edberg to end up 13-14 down in the H2H, though). Navratilova won two of the last four matches she played against Graf (and thus the rivalry ended up 9-9), and even managed to win the last match she ever played against Seles (before the Seles stabbing - Navratilova retired before Seles returned to the tour).
 
helterskelter said:
Hang on a second: McEnroe is six and a half years younger than Connors, and Lendl is seven and a half years younger than him. Djokovic is one year younger than Nadal and one week younger than Murray. So, the younger player taking over was much more inevitable in the rivalries that involved Connors than in the ones that involved Djokovic.

By the way, I don't see the narrative that the younger player completely takes over as being true to all historical rivalries. Lendl was competitive with Becker to the end and actually won their last two matches to finish up 11-10 in the H2H. That's despite being more than seven and a half years older than Becker. (He did lose the last four matches against Edberg to end up 13-14 down in the H2H, though). Navratilova won two of the last four matches she played against Graf (and thus the rivalry ended up 9-9), and even managed to win the last match she ever played against Seles (before the Seles stabbing - Navratilova retired before Seles returned to the tour).
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I did not say that younger player completely takes over. I said when a younger player takes over, its permanent, which had been the trend in tennis until Nadal's 2012/2013 revival. For that a younger player first had to take over.

But you are right about Becker vs Lendl , he had 5-0 vs Lendl and then Lendl was able to win a few till his retirement to switch it back.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I did not say that younger player completely takes over. I said when a younger player takes over, its permanent, which had been the trend in tennis until Nadal's 2012/2013 revival. For that a younger player first had to take over.

But you are right about Becker vs Lendl , he had 5-0 vs Lendl and then Lendl was able to win a few till his retirement to switch it back.
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I don't really think it makes sense to think of Djokovic as a younger player compared to Nadal. The age gap has to be a bit greater for it to be likely to play out in the way you anticipate. With players who are a year apart, fluctuations back and forth have been common. For example, Lendl had a winning run against McEnroe in 1982, but McEnroe turned it around in 1983-85, and then Lendl turned it around again. So that was actually quite similar to the Nadal/Djokovic rivalry, and the age gap is similar, too.
 
helterskelter said:
I don't really think it makes sense to think of Djokovic as a younger player compared to Nadal. The age gap has to be a bit greater for it to be likely to play out in the way you anticipate. With players who are a year apart, fluctuations back and forth have been common. For example, Lendl had a winning run against McEnroe in 1982, but McEnroe turned it around in 1983-85, and then Lendl turned it around again. So that was actually quite similar to the Nadal/Djokovic rivalry, and the age gap is similar, too.
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Got it, makes sense.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Not vague at all. You are trying to REWRITE narrative by being fraudulent.

In 2013 , Nadal fans had very little to be jealous of Nole fans. They HATED us but they never thought Nole was going to break Nadal's records. Not after the disaster that was his 2013 grand slam season. @Hitman may know more than me on this boards. Out of this circular talk.
Yes 2011 year is so good @Phoenix* Nadal literally retired by end of usopen and nothing he did since then mattered.
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This but unironically. Nadal did some damage but nothing significant, aka the infamous 2-15. He was firmly in Djokovic's shadow by then.

It's my observation from around social media at the time, that Nadal fans were bitter against Djokovic fans and not vice versa. It's definitely bcs of the 2011 thrashing. They were not like that against Fed, probably because he was still winning against him.

2011 is massive. It's the Anno Domini of the goat race.
 
The only two statistics where things could still get tight are the Masters and the GS.
I don't know if 24 - 22 and 40 - 36 will be enough. The latter yes, because we have the Tour Finals 7 - 0. But is 2 ahead in the Slams enough?
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Not vague at all. You are trying to REWRITE narrative by being fraudulent.

In 2013 , Nadal fans had very little to be jealous of Nole fans. They HATED us but they never thought Nole was going to break Nadal's records. Not after the disaster that was his 2013 grand slam season. @Hitman may know more than me on this boards. Out of this circular talk.
Yes 2011 year is so good @Phoenix* Nadal literally retired by end of usopen and nothing he did since then mattered.
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ITF Player of the year.

Nadal did not win a match in 2 Slams. Novak was in 4 semi-finals, won 3 of them and never lost a match after the US Open.
 
GrandSlam24 said:
The only two statistics where things could still get tight are the Masters and the GS.
I don't know if 24 - 22 and 40 - 36 will be enough. The latter yes, because we have the Tour Finals 7 - 0. But is 2 ahead in the Slams enough?
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It's not, that's why Nolefam is on here doing that WORK :D
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
Yeah subjective opinion of basically every player, coach, pundit, fan etc ever existed.
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Do you think any aspiring great goes out there with the intention of losing to his rival? Nadal got straight set 3 times therefore he's worse in 2013 as well.
 
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