Djokovic reportedly opts out of Paris Masters, doubtful for ATP Finals

nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

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Hitman said:
It's his only way now. He enters the final stage of his career as the underdog, and a field completely void of big 3/ big 4 family.
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And there is nothing wrong in that. If he retires his career with 2/3 more slams

Who cares what else he wins from here on out.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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Winner Sinner said:
Djokovic is the only human being who at 37 gets younger instead of continuing to age. Alcaraz and Sinner are the only human beings who at 21 and 23 years old respectively have already reached the maximum capabilities of their tennis. Mysteries of faith.

When we talk about Djokovic's future prospects, it is always taken for granted that next year he could dust off the Olympic version on some occasion, but coincidentally no one takes into consideration an alternative scenario which sees the Serbian having a performance collapse between 2024 and 2025 like that had between 2023 and 2024.
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I do and I’m a big Djokovic fan as you know. I think part of it is because Djokovic has spoilt his fans that much they think anything is possible with him.

Deep down though he’s very old now and if he manages to win a major at this point it like a mini miracle with the odds against him. I just enjoy seeing him compete still and hope for even the 100th title in small event.
 
Bastion

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Winner Sinner said:
The problem is that to win the gold he didn't beat Sinneraz but only Alcaraz.
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LOL.

See you quickly turned from 'Sinneraz' to 'Alcaraz' to save face. ;-)

Fact is, he beat one of the top two this year, a x2 GS winner this year, one who has beaten the best player this year, x3 times in a row.

And, the golden Goat did it all at 37 years old, in a epic match where both were peaking for all of the two sets.

That alone, the age difference, will be remembered in tennis history.
 
Bastion

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I still want him to win that 100th title bro and go from there. He can pick and choose the events he plays.

He got nothing to lose now. I’d prefer though him to hang around if he still physically can and has the motivation. Even 1 more big title or a few smaller ones is better for his legacy than stopping now. He can have lots of defeats but it makes no odds.

He might as well try add to his incredible legacy in anyway he can if he still wants to play. It difficult but nothing to lose now
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Go for Serbian Open to get 100th title?
 
Airspun

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Hitman said:
No way, Sinner as it stands right now would beat him convincingly. Sinner has won four, and if you include KSA, five out of the last six meetings. Djokovic isn't top dog anymore, and he has been dethroned on all surfaces.
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Yes way. All others Djokovic has moved to number three Australian open is still his greatest slam and he is the favorite still today.
 
Hitman

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Airspun said:
Yes way. All others Djokovic has moved to number three Australian open is still his greatest slam and he is the favorite still today.
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That's like saying Nadal was favorite at RG this year because he is the GOAT there....LOL. Come on man. Djokovic is a contender, yes, but no way is he or should he be above Sinner. Sinner has won both HC slams, and three masters on HC too. He is the best now, until someone can show they can beat him. Djokovic will be underdog against him.
 
nolefam_2024

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Hitman said:
That's like saying Nadal was favorite at RG this year because he is the GOAT there....LOL. Come on man. Djokovic is a contender, yes, but no way is he or should he be above Sinner. Sinner has won both HC slams, and three masters on HC too. He is the best now, until someone can show they can beat him. Djokovic will be underdog against him.
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He is second or third fav for AO in my eyes. But at his age he has more chances to go wrong
 
Winner Sinner

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Bastion said:
LOL.

See you quickly turned from 'Sinneraz' to 'Alcaraz' to save face. ;-)

Fact is, he beat one of the top two this year, a x2 GS winner this year, one who has beaten the best player this year, x3 times in a row.

And, the golden Goat did it all at 37 years old, in a epic match where both were peaking for all of the two sets.

That alone, the age difference, will be remembered in tennis history.
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But saving face on what?

I said that Djokovic is 37 years old and is certainly not getting any younger, adding that in the majors it is now impossible for him to compete with Sinneraz. At the Olympics I simply reported the facts that he didn't beat Sinneraz but only Alcaraz, without Sinner already number 1 in the world at the time the tournament came out qualitatively weakened, don't you think.

Having said this, and speaking of facts, he now calmly reports Djokovic's precedents in 2024 against Sinneraz is the major. It's not worth it if you just want to save face.
 
socallefty

socallefty

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He seemed to have hip or knee issues in Shanghai and a shoulder issue during the Exho in SA. Maybe he wants to give his body a long break at the end of the year at his age. He is an old man by ATP standards and who knows what his reasoning is.
 
Hitman

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nolefam_2024 said:
Let's see. I see what you said but only because of the horrible 2024. Let's see if nole can comeback with more physicality than this rotten year. Maybe not but let's see.
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It was not good, but Sinner absolutely dominated HC also. Two HC slams and three masters on HC - Not even Sampras and Agassi pulled that off, better than any HC season for Nadal, Murray, Courier, Lendl etc. He is king right now on that surface.
 
nolefam_2024

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Hitman said:
It was not good, but Sinner absolutely dominated HC also. Two HC slams and three masters on HC - Not even Sampras and Agassi pulled that off, better than any HC season for Nadal, Murray, Courier, Lendl etc. He is king right now on that surface.
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Yet ..

He can add to his already vast title list a Paris bercy now.
 
Airspun

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Hitman said:
That's like saying Nadal was favorite at RG this year because he is the GOAT there....LOL. Come on man. Djokovic is a contender, yes, but no way is he or should he be above Sinner. Sinner has won both HC slams, and three masters on HC too. He is the best now, until someone can show they can beat him. Djokovic will be underdog against him.
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He is above sinner and alcaraz for the ao 25 Vegas odds they know how to win. I would advise betting your house on sinner at +225
 
Bastion

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Winner Sinner said:
But saving face on what?

I said that Djokovic is 37 years old and is certainly not getting any younger, adding that in the majors it is now impossible for him to compete with Sinneraz. At the Olympics I simply reported the facts that he didn't beat Sinneraz but only Alcaraz, without Sinner already number 1 in the world at the time the tournament came out qualitatively weakened, don't you think.

Having said this, and speaking of facts, he now calmly reports Djokovic's precedents in 2024 against Sinneraz is the major. It's not worth it if you just want to save face.
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I did not start with the Sinneraz name, just replied to it.

Like I said: FACT is, he beat Carlos this year while both were playing great.

I am not saying it will be the same in 2025, Sinneraz will be the favorite now in each match against Novak, but one cannot ignore what he did already in 2024. Yes, it is over, but part of great tennis history, part of the goat legacy for decades to come... until Sinneraz at least can do the same kind of thing in 15 years time, etc.
 
Bastion

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inflation_era said:
Fed had matchpoints against peakiest peak Djokovic and choked. Djokvoic had little to do with it, he was Fed's pigeon in 2/3 slams when he could not play better. LOLLLLLLL
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Well, if Djokovic did 'nothing', how bad was Fed then if he lost to himself.

The irony, if Fed that day said afterwards, what a great return by the youngster to beat me... and not be arrogant that Novak did 'nothing' and was lucky, just maybe his career against Novak would have turned out differently?

ps, I have big respect for Fed himself, not so much many of his fans unfortunately.

But, while you mention it, let's relive that great day again, a shot that basically said: the future goat is here:

 
NoleFam

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I have a suspicion he might play the ATP Finals but if he doesn't, it may do him some good. He probably should rest that knee, recharge the batteries, retool his game, and come out swinging in 2025. It really is about that movement though. That really hurt him against Sinner and Alcaraz this year, and it was noticeable. If he gets that movement close to what it was in late 2023, he can challenge anybody.
 
NoleFam

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Bastion said:
Well, if Djokovic did 'nothing', how bad was Fed then if he lost to himself.

The irony, if Fed that day said afterwards, what a great return by the youngster to beat me... and not be arrogant that Novak did 'nothing' and was lucky, just maybe his career against Novak would have turned out differently?

ps, I have big respect for Fed himself, not so much many of his fans unfortunately.

But, while you mention it, let's relive that great day again, a shot that basically said: the future goat is here:

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That return had Federer shook. Djokovic didn't do anything though, haha.
 
nolefam_2024

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NoleFam said:
I have a suspicion he might play the ATP Finals but if he doesn't, it may do him some good. He probably should rest that knee, recharge the batteries, retool his game, and come out swinging in 2025. It really is about that movement though. That really hurt him against Sinner and Alcaraz this year, and it was noticeable. If he gets that movement close to what it was in late 2023, he can challenge anybody.
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There is absolutely nothing Nole can do to retool I think. He is maxing out his potential at this age. But physicality is only thing he can improve.
 
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