Djokovic reportedly opts out of Paris Masters, doubtful for ATP Finals
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nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Was it? I have to see stats. But I felt his hold % dipped because he just did not do grinding in service games. In the matches that didn't matter. But you maybe right.
Bastion
Semi-Pro
Shook him for the rest of their rivalry in some sense, also the previous year one.
I always thought it was Novak who returned those ones, but I guess it actually was St. Slava who hit that great ones... twice!?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
The serve at the USO was back to 2010 levels. Really really bad serving but I just think his mind was somewhere else. Weird year, but I think he really channeled every bit of energy and focus he had for that Olympic gold.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
To me, USO is vacuum for Nole.
inflation_era
Professional
yes, mentally Fed can be bad at times, and it cost him a lot. But tenniswise alone, he's the greatest player to ever pick up a racquet.
But Fed was right with what he said afterwards, it was a lucky shot. Just like Djokovic was lucky to win W2019.
Bastion
Semi-Pro
That was a much bigger ouch, the 'finger lady' final.
Fed played such a great attacking match that day, his plan was great, really would not be a shame to have lost against him on that epic day, and Novak was the 'Stonewall Jackson' of all defense in tennis ever seen in one match.
Unfortunately there had to be a winner, those x3 TB were the best clutch combined ever played in one GS match.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I said that day that he had ice in his veins. First time I said that about Djokovic but not the last, lol. It was in that moment that I knew he was an ATG. He proved that to the world that day.
St Slava? New nickname or religious reference?
Bastion
Semi-Pro
Going forward, and if Novak once again can find a new level, his best chance will be at RG, the Olympics final showed it.
His biggest problems are on HC, with Sinner. He really struggles to read Sinner's serve, because his returns against him for a year now, is not as lethal as against all other players.
And then of course speed and movement, needs to be much better against both lads to even stand a chance to beat them.
His biggest problems are on HC, with Sinner. He really struggles to read Sinner's serve, because his returns against him for a year now, is not as lethal as against all other players.
And then of course speed and movement, needs to be much better against both lads to even stand a chance to beat them.
Winner Sinner
Professional
We are basically arguing the same things since I am not in the slightest belittling the immense value of Djokovic's career or even its current value. For being 37 years old with that mileage and the various physical problems he has suffered here and there this year, he has confirmed himself as the immense champion that he is. And his Olympic gold was the real tennis achievement of this 2024 and perhaps it will be of the entire decade.
I simply said that he obviously cannot get younger and that the margins to counter Sinneraz are slim if not zero (at least in the BO5 majors).
Having said that, Sinneraz will have to eat tons of paella or pastasciutta before they can match the greatness of the player and the prestige of Nole's career.
Bastion
Semi-Pro
St. Slava = the patron saint of Serbian Orthodox believers.
I always watched tennis, but only post 2012 were much more interested in watching almost all of the big three matches.
So when I watched the 2012 AO final, and then Djokovic 2011 season, I was hooked. Still not sure which season was the best, 2011 or 2015/6?
Bastion
Semi-Pro
Ok bud, sorry for misunderstanding you, take my comments with a ;-) also.
So blessed to have witnessed the epic big three era, and who knows, it already looks like a big one also with Sinneraz... and hopefully another youngster can join in the next year or two.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Oh ok I see.
Well for me it was 2011 for pure wow factor because it was so surprising and shocking, because the dominance came out nowhere. Plus, he did it when he was still what many considered the 3rd wheel and when the other two were playing well; he completely broke out of their shadow.
Lauren_Girl'
Hall of Fame
Ruud and Rublev are hardly 300 points behind and they're playing this week. They'll easily catch up.
But the others seem too far. De Minaur needs 600 points. Paul and Dimitrov need 800 points. Unless they win Paris or win Vienna and make a semifinal in Paris, they can't. The one in the best position is De Minaur but he's returning from an injury and looks in poor form.
Will be odd if Djokovic qualifies but still withdraws despite no injury.
In a tennis forum, "favorite" usually refers to the player viewed as the most probable winner by informed tennis fans, not the guy hyped by mercenary and often moronic gamblers and bookies.
messiahrobins
Legend
Paris Indoors and YEC just not that important to players, never have been. Its a long season and in an ideal world players would have October November December off.
Djokovic is now able to pick and choose without being sanctioned. Glad he has made his statement decision.
Djokovic is now able to pick and choose without being sanctioned. Glad he has made his statement decision.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Guess that makes Novak a 'Gude Egg'?
Bill Lobsalot
Hall of Fame
He's gotta spend that six million from the Saudis. Priorities out of whack.
big ted
Legend
you gotta admit, skipping a masters for an exhibition in saudi arabia is a classic djokovic move. im surprised he withdrew before they made the draw
mtommer
Hall of Fame
This is an interesting statement. I would wager bookies and serious gamblers would be able to rattle of stats and information far better than any informed tennis fan on this or any other tennis forum. That would then make your "moronic" comment twice as applicable to so-called informed tennis fans on forums. Unironically, that is exactly what plays out.
Not unless they are also throwing their money away.
I doubt it, because the objective of both bookies and gamblers is not to predict who will win a match or tournament, or even to identify the most likely winner. I will say that again: their objective is not to predict who will win. Their objective is to make money on the associated gambling transactions. For the bookies, the purpose of setting odds is to direct the streams of money into the kinds of transactions that will maximize their potential gain while minimizing the risk. In other words, to manipulate the gamblers and incentivize them to collectively bet the way the house prefers. For the gamblers, the task is to exploit the odds as best they can to maximize their own gains while again hopefully minimizing their losses. (Obviously, most gamblers fail at that more often than not.) Little serious tennis knowledge is required for any of this, although I suppose some people think they can come out ahead by studying stats, etc. But a more useful skill is being able to figure out how other people are thinking about the likely outcomes.
It wouldn’t surprise me if come Australia, we get another USO23 situation. Medvedev grinds down Sinner in the semi then folds like a cheap suit vs Djokovic who wins in straight sets. Greatest vulturer of all time. Waited for fedal to decline before piling up slam wins, won USO23 after hot fabourite Alcaraz had a surprise defeat.
No, he lost to a career journeyman Stan Wawrinka instead in his absolute peak season.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
You might be right. That's what he had to do in 2020/2021/2022/2023. This year he played 2 matches in IW/Miami combined.
Nole playing iw miami is thing of the past now.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Imo he should peak for the slam
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Second favourite imo , first being Sinner
gamelovergold
Rookie
Novak is more interested in finding one more slam. 2025 one last roll of dice for novak.
If he can play well as roger did in 2019 WB and win it. That will be fitting end
If he can play well as roger did in 2019 WB and win it. That will be fitting end
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
Tennfan123
Legend
He’s going all in for AO.
Will still lose in four to Charles or the sinner.
Will still lose in four to Charles or the sinner.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Hitman
Bionic Poster
How many hip injuries did Wawrinka who won as many slams as Guga have at the time. LMAO at 3 slam winner being a journeyman.
Incognito
Legend
So from winning 3 majors in 2023 to extremely old in 2024?
the guy is still faster around the court than everyone except Alcaraz.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
I think it is more to do with rest....I doubt someone like him thinks about stuff like that - too much of a winning mentality.....Last December/November I believe cost him big time in 2024.....You need proper rest at his age......
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
The body is getting older though. He is 37 and half years old. I think some people forget about that and age applies to Novak just as much as anyone. He got an injury this year that kept him out a while. He is at that stage in his career where he’s got to be extra careful. He can’t play constantly like alcaraz and sinner can. It not possible now
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Exactly his body is old for a sports athlete. He’s remarkable for his age but he’s very old in tennis terms. He has to manage it best he can with more rest and try to peak at certain tournaments he plays. That is where he’s at.
gamelovergold
Rookie
Everyone is hoping novak has one last slam in him. BO5 7 rounds not sounds great for novak. His body has shown signs of decline. That overprotected knee is still not fully functional. Get proper rest. Motivate yourself for one final dance in slams. If everything goes fine maybe novak pull off a big surprise. .
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
3rd favourite for me.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
The Djoker wants to win more Majors. That's it. Not Masters. Just Majors. That is his standard. He believes that he still has a chance against Sincaraz in Majors.
He is not going to hang around just for fun like Murray. If Sincaraz starts beating him badly, he will immediately retire.
Linelicker
Rookie
Age is the problem. A minor meniscus job doesn't make anyone slower. Neither does two weeks pause from his training regime. He entered Wimbledon 4 weeks after the surgery and reached the final...
Federer was slow in the Wimbledon 2019 final, but his level of tennis was still good enough to get there. Same thing with Djokovic.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Who's the third one?Z or med?
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I think that is all he will do now. The tour itself belongs to Sinner and Alcaraz.
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
I dont agree it is a minor meniscus operation , 4 and a half months passed and he is still wearing a slew on his knee. He cant slide on that side and he is a step slower in his movement. Federer movement was great which isn't the case with Novak. On the positive side he used his experience to win Olympic gold, the last argument to clinch the Goat title.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
I am not fully sold on Alcaraz but yeah Sinner will be tough for Djokovic.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Alcaraz did win two slams this year, and has shown he can win on all surfaces. I think Sinner is the more solid consistent player of the two, so will likely be the guy who dominates the number one ranking, but Alcaraz will be right there, and it will be hard to stop him from going slamless season to season.
Winner Sinner
Professional
Dear my provocateur of my boots, know that your provocations with me do not attack. You're just a troll, deal with it.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Why don't you report that troll? He can be banned for accusing you of being an old poster and harassing you nonstop.
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