Djokovic resume too skewed on Hard courts.

Pantera

Banned
outside of Australia :-D:-D:-D HAHAHA didnt know Australia wasn't a slam :laughing: Its actually for many becoming the best slam and also ned sucks in in 1 title lol. How about outside RG which people think sucks :-D:-D:-D

Nah son, Ned has a losing h2h vs his main rival and was unable to EVER beat him at the first slam of the year and multiple masters and also 7-0 7-0 humilation :-D:-D:-D

LMAO GOAT lol? He is 3rd wheel of his own generation, cant even beat his main rival!!
I think you are confused.. Nadal 9-5 Djokovic where it matters, best of 5 sets. Nadal 18 Majors Djokovic 15. Nadal more Masters 1000. Nadal a Career Golden Slam. Nadal multiple majors on all surfaces.

Djokovic is a great player, 2nd of all time...its just that Nadal always comes out on top...oh, and AO is the 4th Major btw even if it is my joint favourite with US Open.

Sorry chief. the above is fact.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
Call when Nadal Holds all major at the same time + indoor major title. Has Nadal even defended a title away from his fav surface? Djokovic has defended Wimbledon and defended a title on all surfaces and conditions. Djokovics versatility is light years away of Nadal. Don't talk about about skew lmao
 

kar_katch

Rookie
I think you are confused.. Nadal 9-5 Djokovic where it matters, best of 5 sets. Nadal 18 Majors Djokovic 15. Nadal more Masters 1000. Nadal a Career Golden Slam. Nadal multiple majors on all surfaces.

Djokovic is a great player, 2nd of all time...its just that Nadal always comes out on top...oh, and AO is the 4th Major btw even if it is my joint favourite with US Open.

Sorry chief. the above is fact.
LMAO he has a losing h2h what are you on about where it matters? If nothing but slams matter then I guess Nadal has nothing now cos fed has more slams and now nadals masters means nothing as only slams matter :-D:-D:-D Nadal even worse now!!!

No son he has a losing h2h vs his main rival :-D:-D:-D:-D

He also has never beaten his main rival at a slam :-D:-D:-D:-D and multiple masters.

He lacks the ATPs biggest tournament LMFAO :-D:-D:-D:-D
 

kar_katch

Rookie
Facts are what matter not probables lol. Nadal now out on his own as leader of Major count at his age and counting. Leader in h2hs where it matters...and the only all surface great this era.
That automatically makes Fed GOAT as he is youngest every to reacher 19 and 20 :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Literally funniest face palm you have done yet

Also Ned isnt leader of his age as he isn't the fastest to reach 19 or 20 or 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20 so he isn;t GOAT hahaha :-D:-D:-D
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Nadal and Djokovic have exactly same proportion of Majors on their best surface..0.66666
I am taking all tier 1 into account, not just slams. Also that % in slams (surface-wise) cannot be interpreted the same way since 50% of the slams are on outdoor hard while only 25% of the slams are on clay. Sooo 66% in 1 slam is actually a (much) higher level of specialization than 66% in 2 slams.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I could use another angle to show the difference in specialization between Nadal and Djoko. Main events are played on outdoor hard (50%), clay (28.6%), indoor hard (14.3%), grass (7.1%).

# of seasons with tier 1 events won on a single surface/environment:
Djokovic: 1: 2007 (= outdoor hard) + 1: 2009 (= indoor hard)
Nadal: 5: 2006, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016 (= clay)

# of seasons winning tier 1 on all 4 surfaces/environments:
Djokovic: 2: 2014 and 2015
Nadal: 0
 
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Pantera

Banned
I am taking all tier 1 into account, not just slams. Also that % in slams (surface-wise) cannot be interpreted the same way since 50% of the slams are on outdoor hard while only 25% of the slams are on clay. Sooo 66% in 1 slam is actually a (much) higher level of specialization than 66% in 2 slams.
You do realise you have just made Djokovic half the player of Nadal don't you. Djokovic is a hard court specialist by your logic yet cannot even have a better win ratio on his best surface than Nadal despite double the opportunity.

Perhaps you care to revise your post.
 

Pantera

Banned
I could use another angle to show the difference in specialization between Nadal and Djoko. Main events are played on outdoor hard (50%), clay (28.6%), indoor hard (14.3%), grass (7.1%).

# of seasons with tier 1 events won on a single surface/environment:
Djokovic: 1: 2007 (= outdoor hard) + 1: 2009 (= indoor hard)
Nadal: 5: 2006, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016 (= clay)

# of seasons winning tier 1 on all 4 surfaces/environments:
Djokovic: 2: 2014 and 2015
Nadal: 0
Djokovic less complete than Nadal as too skewed to hard courts and lack of multiple majors on multiple surfaces.
 

Pantera

Banned
That automatically makes Fed GOAT as he is youngest every to reacher 19 and 20 :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Literally funniest face palm you have done yet

Also Ned isnt leader of his age as he isn't the fastest to reach 19 or 20 or 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20 so he isn;t GOAT hahaha :-D:-D:-D
Federer didn't win a Major till he was 23 lmao...so you again lose the argument. Why don't you do some revision first before posting lol.

I have simply posted statistics why Nadal is GOAT. You have yet to counter any point other than claim there is only one Major lmao
 

Pantera

Banned
LMAO he has a losing h2h what are you on about where it matters? If nothing but slams matter then I guess Nadal has nothing now cos fed has more slams and now nadals masters means nothing as only slams matter :-D:-D:-D Nadal even worse now!!!

No son he has a losing h2h vs his main rival :-D:-D:-D:-D

He also has never beaten his main rival at a slam :-D:-D:-D:-D and multiple masters.

He lacks the ATPs biggest tournament LMFAO :-D:-D:-D:-D
FO and USO are slams and Nadal owns Djokovic at both...8-2. Ouch.

Nadal the most successful player of all time at 33 and Djokovic cannot catch him. Sorry fella, FO 2019 was GOAT decider...Novak blew his chance as no roof assistance. :)
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic's resume too skewed on hard and grass = 80% of the tour.
That means Djoker is great at 80% of the tour :love:
Closer to 70% I guess, but fair enough.

Djokovic is very good on all surfaces, like Federer, but they faced the only true clay player of this era. They would have won a lot of RG titles, both of them, with no Nadal.

Fedovic are Nadal skewed, while Nadal is skewed by Fedovic and a lot of other guys ;)
 

Eren

Professional
Call when Nadal Holds all major at the same time + indoor major title. Has Nadal even defended a title away from his fav surface? Djokovic has defended Wimbledon and defended a title on all surfaces and conditions. Djokovics versatility is light years away of Nadal. Don't talk about about skew lmao
Agreed with everything but so is Federer in that regard (i.e. has shown more versatility than Nadal).

Both Djokovic and Federer have defended Master's 1000 on clay and Slams on both hard and grass and WTF. Federer defended titles at 3/4 Slams and Djokovic at 2/4 Slams (unlucky at USO).
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Agreed with everything but so is Federer in that regard (i.e. has shown more versatility than Nadal).

Both Djokovic and Federer have defended Master's 1000 on clay and Slams on both hard and grass and WTF. Federer defended titles at 3/4 Slams and Djokovic at 2/4 Slams (unlucky at USO).
Federer and Djokovic are the two greatest players ever in terms of overall dominance and consistency. :)
 

kar_katch

Rookie
FO and USO are slams and Nadal owns Djokovic at both...8-2. Ouch.

Nadal the most successful player of all time at 33 and Djokovic cannot catch him. Sorry fella, FO 2019 was GOAT decider...Novak blew his chance as no roof assistance. :)
hahah Ned cant even playwith a roof? Oh yeah 0 WTF :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
 

kar_katch

Rookie
Federer didn't win a Major till he was 23 lmao...so you again lose the argument. Why don't you do some revision first before posting lol.

I have simply posted statistics why Nadal is GOAT. You have yet to counter any point other than claim there is only one Major lmao
LMAO who said fed is GOAT? Ned isn't even top 8. Cant beat his main rival including at one of the slams :-D:-D:-D cant win ATP's bigggest events the WTF and multiple masters :-D:-D:-D

Plus he played in 2003-2010 weak era racking up mug slams :-D:-D:-D

Sorry lad, nah he is a losin h2h :-D:-D:-D
 

kar_katch

Rookie
FO and USO are slams and Nadal owns Djokovic at both...8-2. Ouch.
HAHAH and at AO ned is a DUCK with 0 wins. 0. Zero. Nada hahaha :-D:-D:-D lets not talk about wimbeldon

Sorry lad Ned has a losing h2h. LOL whats next Ned has a winning h2h at monte carlo so overall h2h doesnt count? hahah 7-0 7-0 really traumatised you didnt it? :-D:-D:-D
 

Pantera

Banned
LMAO who said fed is GOAT? Ned isn't even top 8. Cant beat his main rival including at one of the slams :-D:-D:-D cant win ATP's bigggest events the WTF and multiple masters :-D:-D:-D

Plus he played in 2003-2010 weak era racking up mug slams :-D:-D:-D

Sorry lad, nah he is a losin h2h :-D:-D:-D
I didn't follow any of that, can you re-post please thanks.
 

Pantera

Banned
HAHAH and at AO ned is a DUCK with 0 wins. 0. Zero. Nada hahaha :-D:-D:-D lets not talk about wimbeldon

Sorry lad Ned has a losing h2h. LOL whats next Ned has a winning h2h at monte carlo so overall h2h doesnt count? hahah 7-0 7-0 really traumatised you didnt it? :-D:-D:-D
Dude...if h2h is what you are referring to it is nadal 9-5 Djokovic at majors.....forgive me, how is that a losing record?
 

kar_katch

Rookie
I repeat...how is 9-5 a losing record?
Yeah discount 40 matches theyve played :-D:-D:-D:-D

Sorry lad he has a losing h2h vs his main rival. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Plus if only slams matter Ned has less slams then Fed and now doesn;t even have the masters record cos no one cares :-D:-D:-D

BTW he has a losing h2h in wimbeldon vs one of his main rivals Mueller 1-2 at wimby hahahah
 

Pantera

Banned
Yeah discount 40 matches theyve played :-D:-D:-D:-D

Sorry lad he has a losing h2h vs his main rival. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Plus if only slams matter Ned has less slams then Fed and now doesn;t even have the masters record cos no one cares :-D:-D:-D

BTW he has a losing h2h in wimbeldon vs one of his main rivals Mueller 1-2 at wimby hahahah
best of 5 sets what its all about...separates the men form boys...Nadal 9-5 Djokovic....
 

Pantera

Banned
Yeah discount 40 matches theyve played :-D:-D:-D:-D

Sorry lad he has a losing h2h vs his main rival. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Plus if only slams matter Ned has less slams then Fed and now doesn;t even have the masters record cos no one cares :-D:-D:-D

BTW he has a losing h2h in wimbeldon vs one of his main rivals Mueller 1-2 at wimby hahahah
At same age Nadal has more Majors than Federer...……..
 

kar_katch

Rookie
best of 5 sets what its all about...separates the men form boys...Nadal 9-5 Djokovic....
hahaha exactly lad I agree thats why neds masters record is irrelvant. And also why he has less slams than Fed :-D:-D:-D:-D

and don't forget lad he has a losing h2h vs his main rivals Djokovic and Mueller (he played Mueller as many times on wimby as he did Fed) :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad
 

Pantera

Banned
hahaha exactly lad I agree thats why neds masters record is irrelvant. And also why he has less slams than Fed :-D:-D:-D:-D

and don't forget lad he has a losing h2h vs his main rivals Djokovic and Mueller (he played Mueller as many times on wimby as he did Fed) :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad
at the same age Nadal has more majors than Federer lol. You defeating your own logic. Glad you accept Nadal has better h2h than Djokovic.
 

kar_katch

Rookie
at the same age Nadal has more majors than Federer lol. You defeating your own logic. Glad you accept Nadal has better h2h than Djokovic.
And at the same age Chang had more slams then Ned :-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad

And a losing h2h vs his main rival

Im so sorry lad

And lacks the ATPs biggest event

Im so sorry lad

And cant beat his main rival at a slam

Im so sorry lad
 

Pantera

Banned
And at the same age Chang had more slams then Ned :-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad

And a losing h2h vs his main rival

Im so sorry lad

And lacks the ATPs biggest event

Im so sorry lad

And cant beat his main rival at a slam

Im so sorry lad
Chang didn't end his career at 18 did he...… lol epic fail hun.

Nadal 9-5 Djokovic....owneage.
 

Pantera

Banned
Feder 20 - 18 :-D:-D:-D

Dont get in to 6-0

BJut more to the point ned has never beaten his main rival at a slam and has a losing record to him :-D:-D:-D lets not mention the 7-0 7-0 drubbing

Im so sorry lad
Nadal 18-17 Federer at same age.

Nadal owns Djokovic on all stats...9-5 h2h my favourite
 

kar_katch

Rookie
Nadal 18-17 Federer at same age.

Nadal owns Djokovic on all stats...9-5 h2h my favourite
Ned doesn't have masters record then as Novak had 33 at younger age :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad. Also he doesn't have WTF record as novak at same age... only joking Ned has 0 WTF anyway :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Losing h2h vs his main rival :-D:-D:-D 7-0 7-0 LMAO
 

Pantera

Banned
Ned doesn't have masters record then as Novak had 33 at younger age :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Im so sorry lad. Also he doesn't have WTF record as novak at same age... only joking Ned has 0 WTF anyway :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
But Nadal and Djokovic are same age lol. Nadal owns Djokovic on everything...its killing you this. lol. Cant stop laughing
 
Thiem is extremelly good on clay, he would have already won 3 RG titles and become an all-time great on clay if not for Nadal. In effect, Thiem would have won RG 2017, 2018 and 2019 if not for Nadal and would be in the Kuerten/Lendl tier on clay. If Nadal keeps stopping Thiem the next 3-4 years at RG, Thiem would have won 6 RG without Nadal, and would be disputing Borg the second place in the clay GOAT list if not for Nadal.
Yes, it is true that Djokovic has won 66% of his Slams on hard courts and Nadal 66% of his Slams on clay. Nothing wrong with that, it illustrates that Nadal is dominant on clay and so is Djokovic on hard.

Now, Federer has only won 5% of his Grand Slams on clay. Nadal doesn't have such a low percentage of Majors won on any surface. Nadal has won 11% of his Majors on grass, and 22% of his Majors on hard. Nadal also has at least 2 Grand Slams on each surface (hard, grass and clay), while Federer only has 1 Grand Slam on clay. 2 GS on each surface >> 1 GS on each surface.

Nadal has his Majors more evenly distributed by surface than Federer.
But hold on... If you use your Thiem logic for Federer, Fed would have at least 5 more French Opens were it not for Nadal, thereby making him one of the greatest all time players on clay as well...
 

kar_katch

Rookie
im sure 34 is more than 33...im sure 18 is more than 15...…..or is less more in your world lol
Unfortuantely for Ned Novak youngest man to get 33 so Ned screwed :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sadly 20 is also greater than 18

Plus without 9/9 Ned is like Sampras without FO. Sorry lad
 

Pantera

Banned
Unfortuantely for Ned Novak youngest man to get 33 so Ned screwed :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sadly 20 is also greater than 18

Plus without 9/9 Ned is like Sampras without FO. Sorry lad
Nadal turned 33 after Rome lol. Bad luck you defeated your own logic. I keep telling you...research your topic first.

Federer 17 Majors at same as nadal..Nadal GOAT at the moment. Sorry love.
 

Pantera

Banned
Unfortuantely for Ned Novak youngest man to get 33 so Ned screwed :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sadly 20 is also greater than 18

Plus without 9/9 Ned is like Sampras without FO. Sorry lad
Lol you walked into the Masters 1000 one re 33. Always post after research. Trust me best way.
 

Nole_King

Rookie
Federer was there in 2012-2015 as well, he was just not good enough to stop Djokovic at Wimbledon (2014, 2015) or Nadal at the Australian Open (2012, 2014).

A 33 years old Federer did not stop Djokovic in the Wimbledon 2014 final. A 33 years old Nadal stopped Thiem in the RG final. It basically refutes the age argument: if you are clearly better than another player, you should still defeat him at age 33.

Thiem is extremelly good on clay, he would have already won 3 RG titles and become an all-time great on clay if not for Nadal. In effect, Thiem would have won RG 2017, 2018 and 2019 if not for Nadal and would be in the Kuerten/Lendl tier on clay. If Nadal keeps stopping Thiem the next 3-4 years at RG, Thiem would have won 6 RG without Nadal, and would be disputing Borg the second place in the clay GOAT list if not for Nadal.

P. S.: I am not comparing Djokovic overall with Thiem, I am comparing Thiem on clay with Djokovic on grass. If not for Nadal, Thiem on clay could tie or even surpass Djokovic's grass achievements, but Nadal will stop him. On the other hand, Federer did not stop Djokovic at Wimbledon, and he should have, as he is the King of grass.
Well by that token, Novak stopped Rafa at French but Rafa couldn't stop Novak at AO.

And don't even go to the realms of "if not for Nadal on clay"; Federer fans will eat you up with how many French Federer would be having in that hypothetical case.
 

kar_katch

Rookie
Lol you walked into the Masters 1000 one re 33. Always post after research. Trust me best way.
Sorry lad Novak youngest man to win 33 masters so ned doesn't even have a masters record :-D:-D:-D

Ned now doesnt have

slam count, WTF, masters count, olympics record, ye no 1, weeks no 1, h2h record

I mean does he even have the record for most weeks no 2 anymore?? :-D:-D:-D:-D

ned won slams in 2003-2007 and Novak didn't :-D:-D:-D:-D
 
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