Djokovic: "Roger is playing the best tennis of his career now"

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
I was shocked to read in a recent article in a French newspaper that Djokovic believes Federer is playing the best tennis of his career.

Here is the source:

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...c-et-federer-a-indian-wells_4598655_3242.html

Djokovic, qui peut décrocher son 50e titre sur le circuit ATP, veut devenir le premier à conserver son titre à Indian Wells depuis... Federer (2005, 2006). « C'est le genre de statistiques qui me motive, même si je n'ai pas besoin de cela quand j'affronte Roger : c'est la finale rêvée, contre le joueur le plus en forme du moment qui joue, je trouve, le meilleur tennis de sa carrière »
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Translation of Djokovic quote before the Indian Wells final: "It's the kind of statistics that motivate me even if I don't need that when I go up against Roger: it's the dream final against the hottest player who is playing, I believe, the best tennis of his career."
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Is this evidence that Djokovic believes that tennis has evolved significantly from a decade ago? Is this a subtle way of suggesting that he (Djokovic) is playing the best tennis ever played?
 

Earnest One

Semi-Pro
Absolute nonsense. Stylistically, he is peaking, but he has lost a tremendous amount of speed, and rarely hits powerful topspin backhands down-the-line.

Inconsistency too. We will see, but I expect some matches will become ugly error-fests. On the other hand, when he is moving forward and playing tennis as it "should" be played, he is very easy on the eyes. This has gotten somewhat better over time--on his best days.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Federer is playing fantastic tennis coupled with a few bad match's every now and than
He is playing great tennis hence #2, but not better than 10 years ago. And not at the slams where he used to play his best stuff. Sure Roger can play excellent in best of 3 on a HC still, but in best of 5 he's noticeably worse.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
He is playing great tennis hence #2, but not better than 10 years ago. And not at the slams where he used to play his best stuff. Sure Roger can play excellent in best of 3 on a HC still, but in best of 5 he's noticeably worse.
I agree here. No way Federer loses to Seppi at a slam in 2005-2007 (let alone anytime between 2004-2012).
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Novak doing some trolling, but he is not the only one. It is contagious, listen to the sky sports commentators gush over Federer being in the best form of his career.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Djoko may be onto something. In 2015, Fed is winning 33% return games. That's an insanely high stat for him, career best (he was winning 30% in 2004, 31% in 2005, 32% in 2006 and most often has been below 30)
He is at 91% service games won in 2015 (same stat for the whole 2014). He was at 90% in 2006 and 89% in 2005. One has to go back to 2004 to find higher: 92%
Maybe the new racquet is really giving his game a rejuvenating boost/makeover at this rate.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
There is no way Fed is playing his best tennis of his career. I'm sure Djoko meant something else, they were most likely twisting his words.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously he's not, but Djokovic is selling the current game just like he's supposed to. All this time at #1 has trained him well. :)

All this assumes it's not a mistranslation of course.
 

vanioMan

Legend
Djoko may be onto something. In 2015, Fed is winning 33% return games. That's an insanely high stat for him, career best (he was winning 30% in 2004, 31% in 2005, 32% in 2006 and most often has been below 30)
He is at 91% service games won in 2015 (same stat for the whole 2014). He was at 90% in 2006 and 89% in 2005. One has to go back to 2004 to find higher: 92%
Maybe the new racquet is really giving his game a rejuvenating boost/makeover at this rate.
Please tell me you're joking.

If not, condololences to you.
 

TommyA8X

Hall of Fame
Why was my honest opinion on this being a weak era deleted??
:mad:


:rolleyes:

:lol:








On a serious note, Djokovic is either promoting the game and his rivalry with Fed or simply wrong :mrgreen:
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
He is playing great tennis. Physically he is not 25 anymore obviously. Djokovic as always the great complement. Always praising. True embassador for the game.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Djoko may be onto something. In 2015, Fed is winning 33% return games. That's an insanely high stat for him, career best (he was winning 30% in 2004, 31% in 2005, 32% in 2006 and most often has been below 30)
He is at 91% service games won in 2015 (same stat for the whole 2014). He was at 90% in 2006 and 89% in 2005. One has to go back to 2004 to find higher: 92%
Maybe the new racquet is really giving his game a rejuvenating boost/makeover at this rate.
Interesting stats. Do you honestly believe that Federer is a better player now? Maybe he is just facing weaker competition than in 2005. The results are obviously not as good as then, especially at the slams.

One other thing that could skew the stats is that Fed in 2015 was eliminated from a couple of tournaments in early rounds, meaning he wasn't facing top-flight competition in the SF or final (which would result in losing more service games overall and breaking less often).
 

tennis_commentator

Hall of Fame
Djokovic talking up Federer's level to make himself look good, not knowing how obvious his motive is :lol:
Next he'll say Nadal is playing the best tennis of his career (when in fact Nadal's best clay tennis was 2008!) :lol:
Lucky there aren't many people who read Djokovic's quotes :D
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
If I were Fed I would take this as a backhanded compliment. I mean sure it is "nice" for Novak to praise his abilities, especially after Fed's scintillating final in Dubai. But what about the fact that Fed, playing his "best" tennis ever, can't be at number one? It is basically a way for Novak to insinuate that his 2015 level is the GOAT level.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Fed was always a get the match over quick in straights. His strengths were never long marathon 5 setters. As he ages that will only be harder for him. That does not mean his skillz and tennis right now are not sterling.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
Let's face it, the last time Fed was in really good from was Shanghai. Since then, pretty bad including Dubai.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
So, which is it ? You argue Fed has no chances at big titles since he is losing to Monfils (2), Seppi, Chardy, Gulbis.

In this thread you fancy his chances.

Does your opinion change based on the thread ?
I do not fancy ANYTHING (especially when it comes to Fed) but I checked the stats and that's what I found. Go to "match facts" on the ATP site and look for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it. Nobody can do anything about stats. They are what they are, period.
Saying that Fed is playing at his career best doesn't mean he should beat Djoko as Djoko's best is better than Fed's best (in return by quite some margin) but it could explain how Fed is still ranked so high.
ETA: in the other thread I was speaking strictly on clay. These stats are overall. It is plain for everyone to see that Fed is still competitive on hard and grass (W final, IW final, WTF final, etc)
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
Fed was always a get the match over quick in straights. His strengths were never long marathon 5 setters. As he ages that will only be harder for him. That does not mean his skillz and tennis right now are not sterling.
Should a real GOAT be the best at everything? A real GOAT doesn't have any weaknesses.
 

tennis_commentator

Hall of Fame
Form at the non-slams doesn't do anything for Federer's career.
Federer's level is based on the slams, so let's look at his form at last year's US Open and this year's Australian Open.
I'd give that form about 6/10 (compared to Federer's peak level).
 

TommyA8X

Hall of Fame
I do not fancy ANYTHING (especially when it comes to Fed) but I checked the stats and that's what I found. Go to "match facts" on the ATP site and look for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it. Nobody can do anything about stats. They are what they are, period.
Saying that Fed is playing at his career best doesn't mean he should beat Djoko as Djoko's best is better than Fed's best (in return by quite some margin) but it could explain how Fed is still ranked so high.
ETA: in the other thread I was speaking strictly on clay. These stats are overall. It is plain for everyone to see that Fed is still competitive on hard and grass (W final, IW final, WTF final, etc)
What?? :shock:

A shocking revelation...
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Interesting stats. Do you honestly believe that Federer is a better player now? Maybe he is just facing weaker competition than in 2005. The results are obviously not as good as then, especially at the slams.

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I think there are still the mental/physical wearout effects but it is possible that technically speaking, the racquet change is giving him some sort of impulse. How long and whether it will last is anybody's guess but the most impressive is how he is trying to improve his return stats. I know the 33% will go down during fast surface season but still, going from 26% (where he was at) to 33%, that's quite a huge jump
 
Better/worse is oversimplifying everything.

I was watching Federer/Safin 2005 AO SF last night and Federer was a different player. Forget better or worse. He was a deadly offensive machine.

His forehand was absolutely lethal, and he was explosive coming to net and putting the ball where Safin simply couldn't get it.

He could do whatever he wanted with his forehand in 2004-2006. He was playing to dismantle his opponents with his shotmaking, not to work around their strengths. It was his best vs. your best.

That's not the case anymore. He wants to serve smartly, try to find his opponents' weakness, and pace himself. He's trying to hang in the rallies much more often than he's trying to find a way to hit it to where the opponent can't get it.

Federer used to mix the most lethal forehand in tennis with the most skilled lobs and flicks and slices. Today, you don't see that variety. He doesn't play around with different shots the way he used to. He's much more programmed. Stand on the baseline and hit forehands.

Is it Federer himself, the balls, the court speeds, or two or all three of these components? Doesn't really matter, he plays differently.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer's decline started in 2010 when he lost to Soderling and Berdych in slams.

Now he is even worse. Losing to Cilic and Seppi in slams??
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Djoko may be onto something. In 2015, Fed is winning 33% return games. That's an insanely high stat for him, career best (he was winning 30% in 2004, 31% in 2005, 32% in 2006 and most often has been below 30)
He is at 91% service games won in 2015 (same stat for the whole 2014). He was at 90% in 2006 and 89% in 2005. One has to go back to 2004 to find higher: 92%
Maybe the new racquet is really giving his game a rejuvenating boost/makeover at this rate.
He is losing earlier in tournaments and, therefore, playing weaker opposition on average.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer's decline started in 2010 when he lost to Soderling and Berdych in slams.

Now he is even worse. Losing to Cilic and Seppi in slams??
I would lump Cilic in with Berdych and Soderling.

Stakhovsky and/or Robredo are more like Seppi in that they have no major weapons.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Yes just like M Night Shyamalan is currently making the best movies of his career.

I actually saw the Rome 2006 final yesterday. Fed was so much more forceful and energetic while ripping shots.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I would lump Cilic in with Berdych and Soderling.

Stakhovsky and/or Robredo are more like Seppi in that they have no major weapons.
While Fed had chances in other matches, the one against Cilic he was not even close enough to win a set.

Cilic was GOAT'ing that USO. He beat Baghdatis, Anderson, Simon, Berdych, Federer, Nishikori for the loss of 1 set.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Lol at Vero comparing stats from 5 months against those from a full season. Perhaps in past years would happily coast on just one break for example.

The fact is winning matches is more telling than games won and this especially true when you look at majors. Who cares if he dominated Dubai more than before when he's getting blown away by Cilic and Stepping.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
While Fed had chances in other matches, the one against Cilic he was not even close enough to win a set.

Cilic was GOAT'ing that USO. He beat Baghdatis, Anderson, Simon, Berdych, Federer, Nishikori for the loss of 1 set.
2 sets actually. Simon pushed him to 5.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
He is losing earlier in tournaments and, therefore, playing weaker opposition on average.
I don't know about that. He made 7 tier 1 finals in 2014- that's quite a lot, and he's already made 1 in 2015 . Of course, in best of 5, one has to factor in physical decline but the main difference otherwise is that he's not winning those finals anymore. He's still making them (he reached as many tier 1 finals as Djoko last year) but as good as he is, current elite is a bit better, especially on the return. He has managed to maintain (or recover because he had a few bad years along the way) his edge vs the field in general or at least that's the story his recent results are telling us.
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Lol at Vero comparing stats from 5 months against those from a full season.

The 91% service games won was the same for the 12 months of 2014 as it is now in 2015 (and that is higher than what it was for 2005 or 2006 season).
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
I don't know about that. He made 7 tier 1 finals in 2014- that's quite a lot, and he's already made 1 in 2015 . Of course, in best of 5, one has to factor in physical decline but the main difference otherwise is that he's not winning those finals anymore. He's still making them (he reached as many tier 1 finals as Djoko last year) but as good as he is, current elite is a bit better, especially on the return. He has managed to maintain his edge vs the field in general or at least that's the story his recent results are telling us.
Roger in his prime wouldn't lose a Wimb final to Novak, period.

RG, AO, IW finals etc maybe. But in no way Wimb.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
None of these guys would beat Federer at his best in a slam.
Probably not, but in terms of the game Cilic was playing at the USO and what Seppi did in Australia, it's not even close.

Cilic and Seppi are world's apart on those 2 performances. You know that as well as I do.
 

Tabash

Rookie
I would expect it was this from his press conference before the Roger final in IW that got translated

Considering the match tomorrow, well, I think Roger is a favorite against Milos. If I get to play Roger, it's the ultimate final that right now I can have. Probably the player that is in the best form. You know, in the last 12 months he's been playing some of his best tennis, I thought.
Especially after, for his standards, pretty average season in 2013. He came back and played the finals in Wimbledon, played some great tournaments, won titles, and we had a fight for No. 1 spot all the way up to last couple of matches in London.
He started off the year well again except that third‑round loss in the Australian Open. He won two titles. You know, he's playing great. There no question about it.

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=107786
Federer was the player in the best form behind Djokovic up until IW. He was clearly ahead as the No.2 player. That's all he said. And saying he's playing some of his best tennis is NOT eqivalent to saying he's playing the best tennis of his career. With "some", you could be referring to certain matches, as little as certain stretches in matches.
 
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