Djokovic - Seiko

joekapa

Legend
Seems that Djokovic is not wearing his watch. Also Seiko logo is not on his website anymore.

Looks like they have parted ways.
 

Sambuccashake

Hall of Fame
I can't blame him.
He should have been wearing Grand Seiko instead of that Astron quartz crap that absolutely no one wants.

He will probably land something heavy soon but I can't think of what really.
Probably Omega.
Could go with AP now that Waw is on the way out too.
 

joekapa

Legend
PP would never sponsor Novak, ever. He’s not even remotely classy enough to warrant a Patek Philippe sponsorship. Federer on the other hand, perfect choice
The cracks in Federer's classiness is quickly fading.

Djokovic should stick with SEIKO. They are great watches for both deep pockets, and short pockets.
 
They can charge whatever they want for their watches without celebrity fluffers.
Maybe they can, maybe they can't, but they have given up the first place of the most aesthetically pleasing watches, they have been beaten in the complication game, and they have been involved in bidding themselves to up the value of their secondary market watches. That is one of the reasons many people buy PP: because they hold their value better. This tells us that even they themselves do not believe that those are the prices they should be commanding, if they were let on the market to decide it.

PP, despite of not paying to celebrities, has the most "celebrity" behaviour of them all. Sandrine Stern used to say that the one who doesn't surprise cannot lead, and PP doesn't surprise anyone with anything anymore (except with stupid decisions like the one to stop the Nautilus's production, with a completely fake reason why they do it).

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Hublot should sponsor Djokovic.
(And btw does that Richard Mille watch suit Nadal?)
Hublot is a good match for Djokovic, I agree. It has that "innovation" factor as far as materials go going for it, and it is relatively popular among the people that want "expensive" , but can't quite afford it. Hublot is the Panerai wannabe brother of the watchmaking tradition.

Nadal's RM is a joke: Nadal has broken many of those while playing, so they are not nearly as sturdy as what they are advertised to be: the reason being that a mechanical watch just has no business being subjected to such impacts (regardless of if it is tennis, or something else). Nadal would make a wonderful ambassador for G-shock.

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Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Nadal's RM is a joke: Nadal has broken many of those while playing, so they are not nearly as sturdy as what they are advertised to be: the reason being that a mechanical watch just has no business being subjected to such impacts (regardless of if it is tennis, or something else). Nadal would make a wonderful ambassador for G-shock.
Rafa gets the watches for free! Those who buy them for $300K+ not going wear them while playing sports!
 
Rafa gets the watches for free! Those who buy them for $300K+ not going wear them while playing sports!
Fedace, Nadal is paid to wear those watches, they are not his property. In fact, he is paid to basically break them. I have seen several of those actually worn while playing sports. I shudder to think what the repair costs when (not if) they break, but a fool and his money are easily parted.

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NiCo515

Rookie
Rafa gets the watches for free! Those who buy them for $300K+ not going wear them while playing sports!
They're gaudy watches for people who want others to notice how much money they spent on their watch. The absurd price tag is RM's main marketing tactic, given that there's no more than a few hundred dollars in materials that goes into the watches themselves (this is also true of PP, Rolex, AP, and every overpriced modern POS watch). The entire industry has become a joke that's driven entirely by artificial scarcity and explicit/implicit celebrity endorsements. I hope Novak sticks with a brand that offers affordable watches with practical utility, not the modern-day jewelry made for instagram wannabe rich kids.
 

joekapa

Legend
They're gaudy watches for people who want others to notice how much money they spent on their watch. The absurd price tag is RM's main marketing tactic, given that there's no more than a few hundred dollars in materials that goes into the watches themselves (this is also true of PP, Rolex, AP, and every overpriced modern POS watch). The entire industry has become a joke that's driven entirely by artificial scarcity and explicit/implicit celebrity endorsements. I hope Novak sticks with a brand that offers affordable watches with practical utility, not the modern-day jewelry made for instagram wannabe rich kids.
Agree totally. I had a citizen diver watch that worked like a charm for 30 years. I loved that watch. Unfortunately I lost it (I suspect it was stolen), and shudder every time I think about it. I would not of swapped that watch for Federer's Rolex.


SEIKO are fantastic watches. Tough as nails. They are made for every pocket out there.
 

NiCo515

Rookie
Agree totally. I had a citizen diver watch that worked like a charm for 30 years. I loved that watch. Unfortunately I lost it (I suspect it was stolen), and shudder every time I think about it. I would not of swapped that watch for Federer's Rolex.


SEIKO are fantastic watches. Tough as nails. They are made for every pocket out there.
It's really sad what has happened to the entire industry. I grew up a big fan of watches and always had one on my wrist, even while sleeping and showering. The last watch I ever bought was the Rolex Daytona in my profile pic and it ended up making me feel like an idiot for waring a piece of overpriced jewelry on my wrist. Rolexes used to be great watches, but sometime over the past 15-20 years they lost their intended function and become exclusively status symbols with jacked up prices to match. I used to own a GMT-Master II that I purchased for less than $2k when I was young and I wore it everywhere, swimming around rocks, isolated beaches, month-long trips in the tropics with no lodging, just not caring what happened do it at all. That's how they used to be made and marketed. After getting the Ceramic Daytona (which required me to call in favors from friends just for the privilege of buying it) it was clear from the moment I put it on that this watch isn't suited for even typing on a MacBook Pro. There's no function left; it's all poseur "look at me" jewelry. I feel like Panerai kind of ushered in this trend of instagram hype watches, and after seeing one on the wrist of every Jersey Shore guido about 15 years ago, I literally sold mine the next day. I sold the Rolex within a week of realizing that its price and demand were wholly dictated by Rolex themselves, using the same marketing strategy that Nike uses to get kids to line up for "limited release" Air Jordan shoes. The whole damn industry is a scam preying on image-conscious kids who want others to think they're wealthy. I hope it all collapses.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
SEIKO are fantastic watches. Tough as nails. They are made for every pocket out there.
I barely use my Seiko (a $300 Premier from 20-ish years ago) and still managed to break the mainplate :eek:

Now I have to replace the wrist strap, the leather got moldy and degraded.

but then again, between my sweatiness and a kinda careless handling, I'm a notorious watch destroyer
 

temnik

New User
I would have liked to wear a Casio Gshock for its functionality, but they are gaudy in their own way. I need a very plain, clear and legible watch face so that I could tell time without eyeglasses. I don't need a gazillion of indicators packed like sardines. So for now I'm stuck with a German flieger.
 

joekapa

Legend
I would have liked to wear a Casio Gshock for its functionality, but they are gaudy in their own way. I need a very plain, clear and legible watch face so that I could tell time without eyeglasses. I don't need a gazillion of indicators packed like sardines. So for now I'm stuck with a German flieger.
Casio G-Shock DW5600........low key original GShock. Will get you through 3 Zombie Apocalypses.
 
It's really sad what has happened to the entire industry. I grew up a big fan of watches and always had one on my wrist, even while sleeping and showering. The last watch I ever bought was the Rolex Daytona in my profile pic and it ended up making me feel like an idiot for waring a piece of overpriced jewelry on my wrist. Rolexes used to be great watches, but sometime over the past 15-20 years they lost their intended function
Where did they lose it?

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and become exclusively status symbols with jacked up prices to match. I used to own a GMT-Master II that I purchased for less than $2k when I was young and I wore it everywhere, swimming around rocks, isolated beaches, month-long trips in the tropics with no lodging, just not caring what happened do it at all. That's how they used to be made and marketed. After getting the Ceramic Daytona (which required me to call in favors from friends just for the privilege of buying it) it was clear from the moment I put it on that this watch isn't suited for even typing on a MacBook Pro. There's no function left; it's all poseur "look at me" jewelry. I feel like Panerai kind of ushered in this trend of instagram hype watches, and after seeing one on the wrist of every Jersey Shore guido about 15 years ago, I literally sold mine the next day. I sold the Rolex within a week of realizing that its price and demand were wholly dictated by Rolex themselves, using the same marketing strategy that Nike uses to get kids to line up for "limited release" Air Jordan shoes. The whole damn industry is a scam preying on image-conscious kids who want others to think they're wealthy. I hope it all collapses.
What an odd diatribe!

Firstly, OF COURSE that expensive things (be it watches, cars, jewellery, food, wine, etc) are also a status symbol. That doesn't deter from their intended purpose. It is like saying that a Ferrari La Ferrari "lost its purpose", because it is not a pure bred gas guzzler anymore, or because a Tesla Plaid can crush it in a 0-60 miles acceleration.

It wasn't Panerai that did that. Panerai existed as an original and had its own aesthetic before they were revamped. They actually used Rolex movements once upon a time (when that practice was ubiquitous). After they were brought back to life they stayed true to their aesthetic.

What "function" has the Certona lost in comparison with the normal Daytona?

I will make a wild guess and say that you are bitter that more people that "don't deserve it" have now access to these things, as opposed to "before" (referenced by your comment about the "guidos"), and that you have been priced out of the market. Oh, you like your privileges, more than you like your toys. Too bad!

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Seikos are good watches. Seiko is one of the companies that makes everything in their watches: cases, movements, etc.
Seiko is a fantastic company, but it doesn't change the fact that all their watches (including the most expensive ones) look generic, uninspirational and frankly, on the verge of cheating (the ones with the Spring Drive movements). They are however finished to the highest possible standards within their chosen aesthetic, and are simply unbeatable for the respective price points they are selling at.

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roger presley

Hall of Fame
Ag
Where did they lose it?

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What an odd diatribe!

Firstly, OF COURSE that expensive things (be it watches, cars, jewellery, food, wine, etc) are also a status symbol. That doesn't deter from their intended purpose. It is like saying that a Ferrari La Ferrari "lost its purpose", because it is not a pure bred gas guzzler anymore, or because a Tesla Plaid can crush it in a 0-60 miles acceleration.

It wasn't Panerai that did that. Panerai existed as an original and had its own aesthetic before they were revamped. They actually used Rolex movements once upon a time (when that practice was ubiquitous). After they were brought back to life they stayed true to their aesthetic.

What "function" has the Certona lost in comparison with the normal Daytona?

I will make a wild guess and say that you are bitter that more people that "don't deserve it" have now access to these things, as opposed to "before" (referenced by your comment about the "guidos"), and that you have been priced out of the market. Oh, you like your privileges, more than you like your toys. Too bad!

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Agree!!
 

NiCo515

Rookie
Where did they lose it?

:)



What an odd diatribe!

Firstly, OF COURSE that expensive things (be it watches, cars, jewellery, food, wine, etc) are also a status symbol. That doesn't deter from their intended purpose. It is like saying that a Ferrari La Ferrari "lost its purpose", because it is not a pure bred gas guzzler anymore, or because a Tesla Plaid can crush it in a 0-60 miles acceleration.

It wasn't Panerai that did that. Panerai existed as an original and had its own aesthetic before they were revamped. They actually used Rolex movements once upon a time (when that practice was ubiquitous). After they were brought back to life they stayed true to their aesthetic.

What "function" has the Certona lost in comparison with the normal Daytona?

I will make a wild guess and say that you are bitter that more people that "don't deserve it" have now access to these things, as opposed to "before" (referenced by your comment about the "guidos"), and that you have been priced out of the market. Oh, you like your privileges, more than you like your toys. Too bad!

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Panerai was an obscure Italian brand until Sylvester Stallone and some investors bought it to commercialize, mass-produce, and capitalize on the "large watch" trend 20 years ago. Given their comically large proportions for everyday wear, people with ostentatious taste and a desire to project their alleged wealth gravitated toward the brand, hence the "Jersey Shore guido" comment. At one point around 2006 when I was staying at the W in Fort Lauderdale, I saw a Panerai on the wrist of every other 20-something juicehead with gaudy tattoos. It's a tacky watch for people who crave attention. No one's using that thing for diving; they're trying to draw attention to their expensive/overpriced watch. As for your "you've been priced out of the market" and "you are bitter" comments, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but I don't wear watches to show off wealth, nor would I have any problem affording any production watch in existence. That kind of thinking is what ruined the entire industry.
 
Panerai was an obscure Italian brand until Sylvester Stallone and some investors bought it to commercialize, mass-produce, and capitalize on the "large watch" trend 20 years ago. Given their comically large proportions for everyday wear, people with ostentatious taste and a desire to project their alleged wealth gravitated toward the brand, hence the "Jersey Shore guido" comment. At one point around 2006 when I was staying at the W in Fort Lauderdale, I saw a Panerai on the wrist of every other 20-something juicehead with gaudy tattoos. It's a tacky watch for people who crave attention. No one's using that thing for diving; they're trying to draw attention to their expensive/overpriced watch. As for your "you've been priced out of the market" and "you are bitter" comments, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but I don't wear watches to show off wealth, nor would I have any problem affording any production watch in existence. That kind of thinking is what ruined the entire industry.
Panerai was making instruments for the Italian Navy before even Stalone's father had plans about Stalone existing. Same for pretty much every reputable brand at the time. They also had their distinctive aesthetic, which was different than anything out there, and were using high quality movements for their production, so who decided to bring it back to life is irrelevant to the topic of what Panerai represented. The aesthetics of Panerai are a matter of taste. I can pretty much call names almost every watch on the market and could attach qualifications to their wearers, or do you think that most PP owners are "classy"? Also, if you didn't want to get noticed and still wear their aesthetic, you could get a Radiomir.

You don't wear watches to show off wealth, yet you don't wear watches for their own life either, because you wouldn't be talking about basically the same watch (the ceramic Daytona is still the same Daytona) in such terms, and let's be frank, you have to be a complete whacko, to realise only after the fact of buying a watch for tens of thousands of USD that it is also a status symbol. Or did you think that normal people have such sums of money just lying around like you did, and spent them like you did?

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NiCo515

Rookie
Panerai was making instruments for the Italian Navy before even Stalone's father had plans about Stalone existing. Same for pretty much every reputable brand at the time. They also had their distinctive aesthetic, which was different than anything out there, and were using high quality movements for their production, so who decided to bring it back to life is irrelevant to the topic of what Panerai represented. The aesthetics of Panerai are a matter of taste. I can pretty much call names almost every watch on the market and could attach qualifications to their wearers, or do you think that most PP owners are "classy"? Also, if you didn't want to get noticed and still wear their aesthetic, you could get a Radiomir.

You don't wear watches to show off wealth, yet you don't wear watches for their own life either, because you wouldn't be talking about basically the same watch (the ceramic Daytona is still the same Daytona) in such terms, and let's be frank, you have to be a complete whacko, to realise only after the fact of buying a watch for tens of thousands of USD that it is also a status symbol. Or did you think that normal people have such sums of money just lying around like you did, and spent them like you did?

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I didn't just realize after the fact that it's a status symbol. They've always been status symbols to an extent, and I've been wearing their watches since I was 15. But in recent years the status symbol aspect is the only aspect that remains and it's been ratcheted up to 50. The entire company and industry for that matter has become entirely centered on status. That's not a hobby I want to be part of anymore. And PP is just as bad, if not worse.
 
I didn't just realize after the fact that it's a status symbol. They've always been status symbols to an extent, and I've been wearing their watches since I was 15. But in recent years the status symbol aspect is the only aspect that remains and it's been ratcheted up to 50. The entire company and industry for that matter has become entirely centered on status. That's not a hobby I want to be part of anymore. And PP is just as bad, if not worse.
Which were the other aspects beyond the status symbol that you enjoyed until the situation changed according to your views?

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NiCo515

Rookie
Which were the other aspects beyond the status symbol that you enjoyed until the situation changed according to your views?

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Well the first Rolex I got was like $1800 and I was able to buy it myself as a 15-year-old and wear for years without even taking it off. It was modestly priced and you weren't worried about roughing it up. Newer models cost 10x that despite having essentially the same internals, they're much bulkier, and they'd stick out like a sore thumb if you're wearing one camping on a Caribbean beach for a month. I didn't have the older Daytona because I hated the SS bezel, but the older GMT and Submariner are completely different types of watches compared to their newer counterparts. Ones were made to be used and beat up; the others were made to show off that you're wearing a Rolex. And other companies took the same approach, most to an even greater extent.
 
Well the first Rolex I got was like $1800 and I was able to buy it myself as a 15-year-old and wear for years without even taking it off. It was modestly priced and you weren't worried about roughing it up. Newer models cost 10x that despite having essentially the same internals, they're much bulkier, and they'd stick out like a sore thumb if you're wearing one camping on a Caribbean beach for a month. I didn't have the older Daytona because I hated the SS bezel, but the older GMT and Submariner are completely different types of watches compared to their newer counterparts. Ones were made to be used and beat up; the others were made to show off that you're wearing a Rolex. And other companies took the same approach, most to an even greater extent.
Rolex Oyster Perpetual costs around 5600 EUR in Europe. In USD it is slightly more. That is NOT 10 times 1800 USD. Also, I don't know any 15 years old kid that just "had" 1800 USD. The internals of the new Rolex movements are decidedly NOT like the old ones, unless by that you mean that they are also watches.

I see a lot of the "old timer" pretentiousness (and falsehoods) in your post: so a milimeter or two is now "much" bulkier? Never mind that also people nowadays are bigger, as is everything around us. Or do you also wear a 34 millimetre gold watch? Oh, I see, before, in the "olden days", Rolex was completely unassuming: nothing to see here, right?

Who are you kidding: Rolex started as a tool watch and is such to this day, regardless of what else it can do: technically it is better than its older variants in every possible way and can take up ten times the beating the older models could. No one is stopping you to go swim, shower, play sports or whatever else you want to do with it. As far as I know, you still cannot take your smartphone for a swim, unless you want to bother yourself in many ways. It is absolutely false that the older GMTs and Submariner's were completely different "types" of watches. They were the same type of watch, just used differently, because it was a different time, when there was an even more practical need from them than today. Even then, no one is stoping you to go dive with your Submariner, if that is what you want to do: it will take it with no issues.

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Binatang

New User
Panerai just like Rolex was originally a tool watch for divers. It's large size & bright lume was to allow legibility when diving deep. It took off when Sly Stallone wore it in "Daylight". Panerai had the exclusivity quotient tied down with each watch produced in limited numbers. But their greed did them in. They kept production limited for each model but increased the no. of models to an insane level. The death knell came when they did the Dbag move of re-releasing a Limited Edition. Collectors just couldn't stomach that move! Then it was no longer cool to wear a Panerai. Even Sly started auctioning his Panerais. He also did the same for his RMs.
 

joekapa

Legend
Panerai just like Rolex was originally a tool watch for divers. It's large size & bright lume was to allow legibility when diving deep. It took off when Sly Stallone wore it in "Daylight". Panerai had the exclusivity quotient tied down with each watch produced in limited numbers. But their greed did them in. They kept production limited for each model but increased the no. of models to an insane level. The death knell came when they did the Dbag move of re-releasing a Limited Edition. Collectors just couldn't stomach that move! Then it was no longer cool to wear a Panerai. Even Sly started auctioning his Panerais. He also did the same for his RMs.
They are both ugly watches.

A man should only own 2, maybe 3 watches. An everyday watch, an outdoors watch, and a dress watch. That's it. For each of those categories I would have :

- some sort of seiko/citizen, small faced, divers watch.
- a casio 5600
- an Omega De Ville (with a leather strap).

And that's it.
 
Panerai just like Rolex was originally a tool watch for divers. It's large size & bright lume was to allow legibility when diving deep. It took off when Sly Stallone wore it in "Daylight". Panerai had the exclusivity quotient tied down with each watch produced in limited numbers. But their greed did them in. They kept production limited for each model but increased the no. of models to an insane level. The death knell came when they did the Dbag move of re-releasing a Limited Edition. Collectors just couldn't stomach that move! Then it was no longer cool to wear a Panerai. Even Sly started auctioning his Panerais. He also did the same for his RMs.
If something dented their reputation it wasn't the re-release of the LEs. It was the 318 scandal and the likes that eroded the trust of their most ardent fans, and also the price hike they pulled off, shooting them into the realm of the likes of AP. Even then, they are some of the most iconic and recognisable watches on the planet, so I guess they will survive.

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AVSH

New User
Fedace, Nadal is paid to wear those watches, they are not his property. In fact, he is paid to basically break them. I have seen several of those actually worn while playing sports. I shudder to think what the repair costs when (not if) they break, but a fool and his money are easily parted.

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How do we know Rafa breaks them?
 

AVSH

New User
Because I have read it in interviews with the founder himself, and there are also reports from "outside" sources.


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Hmmm, the articles mentions that he has broken prototypes while testing not necessarily the final product. If the final product does indeed break what would he do at an ATP event? That would reflect very poorly on RM. I dont think that happens with the final product frequently as I am understating you implying.
 
Hmmm, the articles mentions that he has broken prototypes while testing not necessarily the final product. If the final product does indeed break what would he do at an ATP event? That would reflect very poorly on RM. I dont think that happens with the final product frequently as I am understating you implying.
You have to know RM to relalise that every RM is a "prototype" of sorts. They don't have big serial production.

To answer your question: if an RM breaks no one, including Nadal, will notice, and supposedly their ethos is entered around "testing things to the limit", which will come in as a handy explanation in the unlikely event that someone actually gives a squirrel dropping about that.

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