Djokovic Sportsmanship

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
Agree, there's a Serbian coach that coaches near me and he was telling me when he spoke to Novak, Novak admitted he was the best. I believe at that level you have to believe it. Is it slightly arrogant? Maybe, I don't know.
Arrogance is when you put others down or believe that you are entitled to something that others are not. I don't think Djokovic is arrogant, but he isn't afraid to speak his mind or say that he is the best(which he is).
 

thomasannand

New User
Arrogance is when you put others down or believe that you are entitled to something that others are not. I don't think Djokovic is arrogant, but he isn't afraid to speak his mind or say that he is the best(which he is).
Agreed, he's confident in his abilities. People mistake this for arrogance though, e.g Ronaldo, Mohammed Ali.

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Arrogance never stopped people from liking Federer... Good old Rog is easily the most arrogant out of the Big 3

And I mean, Djokovic has won 17 Slams, has been ranked #1 for a long time so I don't know what else he needs to do to earn respect
Astonishing you insist on clinging to that notion. If anything, the opposite may well be true now that Federer appears to have mellowed down, unlike the other two.
 

mika1979

Professional
Regarding Federer and retirements, he might have a point, however Djokovic not competing is ********. He beat Fed and Nadal so many times with having 90% of the crowd against him. His heart shouldn’t be questioned. Also sportsmanship is mostly shown in loses, anyone can be a good winner. Djokovic js without peer in this regard.

Whereas a little cry baby Fed...
 

Nole_King

Semi-Pro
What I am saying is that if Djokovic didn't fight until the end, Federer would have won Wimbledon.
As a Novak fan, USO 2011 was more of a case of fighting till the end than Wim 2019. He was ahead for most of the match at Wimbledon except at 7-8 in the final set. He should have closed the match early in the fifth set but failed. Wim 2019 was more the case of both trying to choke in the fifth set and Federer succeeding.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Potentially 85-2 lol. (if Fed beats Safin he certainly beats Hewitt, if he beats Gasquet he still loses to Claydal, and the Nalbandian YEC loss being two points away on serve)
Amazing 2005 stats for fedr to play 85 matches while missing Toronto and the whole month of October (ankle injury after Bangkok). Gasquet in the M-C QFs was his earliest exit all year.
 

mahesh69a

Semi-Pro
Please look at Laureus Sportsmanship awards - Fed and Novak have won the most. Nadal has won only one (in the main category).
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
I started recently playing against a new guy, he's a big Fed fan and I'm a Novak fan. However, he states that it is impossible for djokovic ever to be considered the GOAT because he lacks sportsmanship. So then he defines sportsmanship as "fighting until the end and never giving up". He stated that djokovic has retired far more than Nadal and Federer despite having a shorter career. Therefore he's saying djokovic essentially gives up when he knows he is beat, rather than "fighting until the end!".

What's people's thoughts on this?

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I would suggest no longer speaking to this person about Federer or Djokovic.

No good will come from it.

Just enjoy the hit.
 

Devtennis01

Professional
It's nonsense.
It's not good sportsmanship to cry when you are loser of a slam final and make it about you.
It is not good sportsmanship to break timing rules to help you gain advantage.

They all show bad sportsmanship. They are human.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

New User
I started recently playing against a new guy, he's a big Fed fan and I'm a Novak fan. However, he states that it is impossible for djokovic ever to be considered the GOAT because he lacks sportsmanship.
Just stop the thread there, Djokovic couldn't stand if Stan beat him in 3, so he retired, new example
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not good sportsmanship to cry when you are loser of a slam final and make it about you.
Of course you're referencing the 2009 AO final to take a dig at Federer. What about Andy Murray crying for an extended period after losing the 2012 Wimbledon final to Federer? Does the observation extend to Andy as well?
 

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
I started recently playing against a new guy, he's a big Fed fan and I'm a Novak fan. However, he states that it is impossible for djokovic ever to be considered the GOAT because he lacks sportsmanship. So then he defines sportsmanship as "fighting until the end and never giving up". He stated that djokovic has retired far more than Nadal and Federer despite having a shorter career. Therefore he's saying djokovic essentially gives up when he knows he is beat, rather than "fighting until the end!".

What's people's thoughts on this?

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Well.... he has done this in the past.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
I would say they have a weak argument, especially by adding Nadal to the equation. So retirements count but walkovers don't? Nadal has 9 retirements and 6 walkovers for a total of 15. Djokovic has 13 retirements and 1 walkover for a total of 14. Where's the difference?
People like Nadal more. That's it really. Most of the Djokovic criticisms are just based on people not liking him and not necessarily for valid reasons.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
People like Nadal more. That's it really. Most of the Djokovic criticisms are just based on people not liking him and not necessarily for valid reasons.
Well the guy was a Federer fan so it's pretty common for them to like Nadal more, at least these days.
 

Devtennis01

Professional
Of course you're referencing the 2009 AO final to take a dig at Federer. What about Andy Murray crying for an extended period after losing the 2012 Wimbledon final to Federer? Does the observation extend to Andy as well?
It does exist for all of them.
I only bought up Federer to highlight how all the current playing GOAT contenders have an asterisk as to their sportsmanship credentials.
It's not a dig either. He did cry and it is not good sportsmanship. This is the topic of the thread. It's not like we were celebrating Federer and I just threw it in there.
 

Crazy Finn

Semi-Pro
I started recently playing against a new guy, he's a big Fed fan and I'm a Novak fan. However, he states that it is impossible for djokovic ever to be considered the GOAT because he lacks sportsmanship. So then he defines sportsmanship as "fighting until the end and never giving up". He stated that djokovic has retired far more than Nadal and Federer despite having a shorter career. Therefore he's saying djokovic essentially gives up when he knows he is beat, rather than "fighting until the end!".

What's people's thoughts on this?

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Eh. One could say that about Djoker early in his career, but that was a long time ago.
People like Nadal more. That's it really. Most of the Djokovic criticisms are just based on people not liking him and not necessarily for valid reasons.
Are you saying there are no valid reasons to not like Djokovic?
 

guanzishou

Hall of Fame
Today Djokovic took a lengthy MTO for his neck just before Agut's serve to stay in the second set (Agut got the 1st set). Djokovic also went to the locker room during the MTO and broke Agut's momentum and rhythm and Agut lost his serve and the set. Very bad sportsmanship by Djokovic in my opinion.
 

fox

Semi-Pro
Today Djokovic took a lengthy MTO for his neck just before Agut's serve to stay in the second set (Agut got the 1st set). Djokovic also went to the locker room during the MTO and broke Agut's momentum and rhythm and Agut lost his serve and the set. Very bad sportsmanship by Djokovic in my opinion.
yes, agreed. Also during game he went to change the racquet and strings were not broken. Really pathetic.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
It does exist for all of them.
I only bought up Federer to highlight how all the current playing GOAT contenders have an asterisk as to their sportsmanship credentials.
It's not a dig either. He did cry and it is not good sportsmanship. This is the topic of the thread. It's not like we were celebrating Federer and I just threw it in there.
Hmm....

to me -

Crying after the match - unless it’s nasty weird anger directed as a hit out - has nothing to do with bad sportsmanship IMO.
The match is done and nothing can be helped or hurt by it. It’s just cathartic.

Nothing wrong w Novak crying at the FO - or Fed and Murray at others.
 

Milanez82

Rookie
Today Djokovic took a lengthy MTO for his neck just before Agut's serve to stay in the second set (Agut got the 1st set). Djokovic also went to the locker room during the MTO and broke Agut's momentum and rhythm and Agut lost his serve and the set. Very bad sportsmanship by Djokovic in my opinion.
Actually roof was getting closed which takes 5 minutes and he went to locker room then
 

fox

Semi-Pro
Another thing is vomiting on a towel when he was down 5-6 after losing 4 games in a row. What was that?
 

beard

Hall of Fame
Today Djokovic took a lengthy MTO for his neck just before Agut's serve to stay in the second set (Agut got the 1st set). Djokovic also went to the locker room during the MTO and broke Agut's momentum and rhythm and Agut lost his serve and the set. Very bad sportsmanship by Djokovic in my opinion.
You obviously, together with those who liked your post, haven't watched what was happening... :rolleyes:
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Guy is throwing up on court but it's gamesmanship, ok!
I didn't know he threw up and great fight to win that one. I knew he didn't good at all once I was able to rejoin the match. I was driving home and every once in a while refreshed the live match thread but couldn't see what was happening. It was 5-6 deuce when I got home.
 

Milanez82

Rookie
In an otherwise pointless match(for Novak) he seemed dead intent to break his body for the first time in 6 months. And he mostly succeeded. Bet Raonic was having fun watching this.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I didn't know he threw up and great fight to win that one. I knew he didn't good at all once I was able to rejoin the match. I was driving home and every once in a while refreshed the live match thread but couldn't see what was happening. It was 5-6 deuce when I got home.
Yea he was bending over and coughing into his towel like he was about to throw up. Several instances where he also looked liked he was about to pass out. Novak has looked tired many times throughout his career but I don't Think I've ever seen him in such state as in the 3rd set. Probably cause of the long break
 

thomasannand

New User
I can't believe he won that, had a few heart attacks during that match. Novak looked sluggish and finished even early in set 2. Fair play to RBA, one of the most underrated players and a player that always proves difficult for Novak.

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NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Yea he was bending over and coughing into his towel like he was about to throw up. Several instances where he also looked liked he was about to pass out. Novak has looked tired many times throughout his career but I don't Think I've ever seen him in such state as in the 3rd set. Probably cause of the long break
Wow that sounds worse than I thought. When I saw his face I was like woah, he looks physically gone. I can't believe he won that tiebreak like that right after I saw that.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow that sounds worse than I thought. When I saw his face I was like woah, he looks physically gone. I can't believe he won that tiebreak like that right after I saw that.
It was really bad. Maybe you can see some clips on Twitter.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Del Possum = should be criticised
Possumovic = completely okay
No hypocrisy can be found.
This pathetic troll said Nadal was faking his injury in AO 2014 final. I guess he believes that Nadal's terrible form which lasted 3 years after this final was also fake. But when Djokovic cries without stop about injuries and yet WINS EVERYTHING-of course this troll believes him.
 
Come on, he lost 4 games in a row from 5-2 up, missing routine shots and DFing
Mixing it with great rallies and winners. Djokovic was up and down all match but if it were something that serious he'd have been erroring non-stop. You think he's a magical superman to give full physical effort while dying on the inside, huh?
 
This pathetic troll said Nadal was faking his injury in AO 2014 final. I guess he believes that Nadal's terrible form which lasted 3 years after this final was also fake. But when Djokovic cries without stop about injuries and yet WINS EVERYTHING-of course this troll believes him.
Nolephiles seem to believe he's superhuman, kind of shocking, is it.
 
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