Djokovic ties Federer on 310 Weeks at No. 1 in FedEx ATP Rankings

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
@Lleytonstation

Slams won without beating one of the three highest ranked opponents:

Federer 10
Djokovic 0

Federer is the real vulture.
Good thing rankings does not always mean anything. I could argue that the field was much deeper when Fed won his slams. .. And it was.

Those that reach the final are playing at high levels, now whether that high level is sustained can be determined. Such as Karatsev and Med.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Good thing rankings does not always mean anything. I could argue that the field was much deeper when Fed won his slams. .. And it was.

Those that reach the final are playing at high levels, now whether that high level is sustained can be determined. Such as Karatsev and Med.
Many trash this stat, then mention wins over top5 or top10s as a sign of a high level...
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
These are the kind of completely irrational statements why I don't participate much at all in threads here. BTW, I am a Djokodal fan- yes, I tilt more towards Djokovic but massively root for Rafa too. And frankly, the way you are misstating facts here is reprehensible - I am saying this as a fan of both Rafa and Novak.

Tour finals- just because you don't think it matters, doesn't disqualify it from consideration. Year end finals have always been talked about as a part of the player's achievements - not as important as the slams, but mentioned as an important stat, nevertheless. For years, Federer's record in tour finals was lauded, for example.

You state - "H2h matters. Problem for Djokovic he only leads due to 250 events. At Majors Nadal owns him."

This canard of "only 250 events" is false, I don't know whether you are ill informed or just deliberately lying. Yes, in the slams Rafa leads Novak, 10--6, 5--4 in GS finals. I don't think this qualifies as "owing", the gap isn't that high. Kudos to Rafa there, though.

However, where you are deliberately misstating is from where Novak's overall h2h lead comes from.

ATP Masters matches: Novak leads 16--12

ATP Tour Finals matches - Novak leads 3--2

Other matches - Novak leads 4--3

Are you now going to claim ATP Masters are the same as "only 250 events"?
@Beckerserve is a seasoned troll on TTW. Best to ignore his stupidity like most of us do
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
Sorry but if your slams come after the big 3 are 34/35/40, you did not pass them, they just got old.

Djoker has never beat a great player younger than him. It is not like Djoker is 26, he is 33. Even if not ATG's, great players should have arisen who are in their late twenties.
Nadal is not really older than Djokovic. 11 months difference is very miniscule. Djokovic had to beat him in some of the slams he won post 30. Also Thiem is already a GS champion. If he wins a few more slams, he is already greater than Roddick, Hewitt etc. IMO.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Nadal is not really older than Djokovic. 11 months difference is very miniscule. Djokovic had to beat him in some of the slams he won post 30. Also Thiem is already a GS champion. If he wins a few more slams, he is already greater than Roddick, Hewitt etc. IMO.
Where do you see Theim winning a few slams? Plus, we all know what his first slam is worth...
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
There is one far, far more significant record which Djokovic has achieved that Nadal and Federer will never achieve, which is that he has held all 4 majors at the same time. No other man has done it in the 53 years of the Open Era except Rod Laver.
yes thats true
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Damn... Soon slam record will be meaningless too... :D
Federer has varieties of slams.
3 on Rebound Ace
3 on Plexi
5 on Deco
3 on moderately fast grass (2003-2005)
5 on very slow Grass
1 on Clay

He will remain the GOAT even if the slams record is taken.

Plus he is richer than Nadal and Djokovic combined.

He remains the GOAT.
 

Jai

Rookie
Not so fast. We need to see it in details.

Weeks at #1


Open era

Federer - 310
Sampras - 286
Nole - 282
Lendl - 270
Connor - 268
Nadal - 209

Pandemic era
Nole - 24
Do you not know that Novak lost 22 weeks from his No.1 tally owing to the rankings being frozen when the tour was not functioning during Covid? Or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

After the tour resumed, he has earned his points the same way everyone else has been eligible to. Just because he has broken a record that you dearly wish he hadn't, doesn't mean you get to make up categories and exclusions and asterisks.
 

Jai

Rookie
Congrats to Nole fans! That’s an official record and deserves acknowledgement. (y)

The global pandemic and its effect on the tour + rankings can’t be ignored in the big picture, but for now it is what it is and the sport can boast of another record falling.
Good on you for the first part of your comment, I mean that. It's staggering the amount of bile that gets tossed around just because a record of one's favourite player gets broken.

As to your second sentence though - the 22 weeks when the tour was suspended owing Covid, are not counted towards the record. So I don't get why this qualifier is even being inserted here.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
Federer has varieties of slams.
3 on Rebound Ace
3 on Plexi
5 on Deco
3 on moderately fast grass (2003-2005)
5 on very slow Grass
1 on Clay

He will remain the GOAT even if the slams record is taken.

Plus he is richer than Nadal and Djokovic combined.

He remains the GOAT.
Yeah Fed will remain the GOAT because he is the most elegant..
 

beard

Hall of Fame
How dare you be disappointed in me. How dare you.

... and yes, I am joking, but 237 consecutive weeks is till a pretty sweet record.
I know you don't care... Just saying I am disappointed when I see that someone who I thought is moderate, humble poster actually is yet another b.hurt Fed fan...

... and no, you are not joking...

By the way, 237 is not a record, it's just a interesting stat... 311 is a record, same as 310 was...
 

CYGS

Legend
Federer has varieties of slams.
3 on Rebound Ace
3 on Plexi
5 on Deco
3 on moderately fast grass (2003-2005)
5 on very slow Grass
1 on Clay

He will remain the GOAT even if the slams record is taken.

Plus he is richer than Nadal and Djokovic combined.

He remains the GOAT.
Gates GOAT
 

CYGS

Legend
Gates/Musk/Bezos are not Tennis players.

Only big 3 and other sportsmen shall be compared on money, winning slams also necessary.

So Fed is the Boss.
You know that they are tennis players, so why are you measuring their greatness using wealth, which has nothing to do with their tennis achievements/capabilities?

The closest thing to tie dollars to achievements - Prize money: Djokovic GOAT.
 

lucky13

Rookie
These are the kind of completely irrational statements why I don't participate much at all in threads here. BTW, I am a Djokodal fan- yes, I tilt more towards Djokovic but massively root for Rafa too. And frankly, the way you are misstating facts here is reprehensible - I am saying this as a fan of both Rafa and Novak.

Tour finals- just because you don't think it matters, doesn't disqualify it from consideration. Year end finals have always been talked about as a part of the player's achievements - not as important as the slams, but mentioned as an important stat, nevertheless. For years, Federer's record in tour finals was lauded, for example.

You state - "H2h matters. Problem for Djokovic he only leads due to 250 events. At Majors Nadal owns him."

This canard of "only 250 events" is false, I don't know whether you are ill informed or just deliberately lying. Yes, in the slams Rafa leads Novak, 10--6, 5--4 in GS finals. I don't think this qualifies as "owing", the gap isn't that high. Kudos to Rafa there, though.

However, where you are deliberately misstating is from where Novak's overall h2h lead comes from.

ATP Masters matches: Novak leads 16--12

ATP Tour Finals matches - Novak leads 3--2

Other matches - Novak leads 4--3

Are you now going to claim ATP Masters are the same as "only 250 events"?
of their 16 GS matches, as many as 8 (50%) were in RG (rafas best slam) and only 2 (12.5%) were in AO (noles best slam). so it's nole's fault that he could reach rafa 8 times at his favorite slam while rafa managed to do the same thing only 2 times at nole's favorite slam ?!
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
You know that they are tennis players, so why are you measuring their greatness using wealth, which has nothing to do with their tennis achievements/capabilities?

The closest thing to tie dollars to achievements - Prize money: Djokovic GOAT.
Wealth matters.
Prize money Novak ahead because prize money increased over the years, so recent champs have advantage over the old champs.

But total wealth is a true indicator because ENDORSEMENTS also come.

Endorsements means audience watch it and that means most popular, the most popular means automatically the guy who is considered the best. So if he has most records along with most money then it means he is goat.
 
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thrust

Hall of Fame
Do you value weeks at no.1 more than YE1? I prefer YE1 as i like the idea players fight for it. It was a huge deal in 80s and 90s but actually seems less an issue nowadays.
That is because before this year Sampras had the record for YE at #1, not Federer. Now, Novak is tied with Pete with 6 YE at #1 which is like rubbing salt into the wounds of Fedal fans.
 

Jai

Rookie
Hewitt has 80 weeks as 1 while Becker was rank 1 for just 12 weeks.

So these sort of meaningless records don't matter.
Yes, it's stunning how when Fed crossed Sampras' record and garnered 287 weeks at No.1, he himself
celebrated this as "an amazing feeling" that he "felt proud and honoured" about.
Most of his fanbase felt this was an achievement which guaranteed his GOAT status. But when
his record is subsequently broken, curiously it becomes a meaningless record, which doesn't matter.

You might want to read this article from BBC Sport in 2012, which captured both Federer's comments
on the (then) milestone, as well as Sampras's gracious response.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/18854412

"I'm proud and honoured to beat Pete's record as he was my childhood hero and I've always looked up to him," he said.
"It is an amazing feeling to have regained the number one ranking."
"I had set a goal with my team to try and get back to the top of the rankings."

Sampras added: "The hardest thing to do in sports is the ability to stay on top. Roger has been able to do so by great play and durability."

So now, if you try to claim the record is "meaningless", wonder what you feel about Fed's views. Why do you think he celebrated
beating a record which you (now) claim is meaningless??
 

Beckerserve

Legend
These are the kind of completely irrational statements why I don't participate much at all in threads here. BTW, I am a Djokodal fan- yes, I tilt more towards Djokovic but massively root for Rafa too. And frankly, the way you are misstating facts here is reprehensible - I am saying this as a fan of both Rafa and Novak.

Tour finals- just because you don't think it matters, doesn't disqualify it from consideration. Year end finals have always been talked about as a part of the player's achievements - not as important as the slams, but mentioned as an important stat, nevertheless. For years, Federer's record in tour finals was lauded, for example.

You state - "H2h matters. Problem for Djokovic he only leads due to 250 events. At Majors Nadal owns him."

This canard of "only 250 events" is false, I don't know whether you are ill informed or just deliberately lying. Yes, in the slams Rafa leads Novak, 10--6, 5--4 in GS finals. I don't think this qualifies as "owing", the gap isn't that high. Kudos to Rafa there, though.

However, where you are deliberately misstating is from where Novak's overall h2h lead comes from.

ATP Masters matches: Novak leads 16--12

ATP Tour Finals matches - Novak leads 3--2

Other matches - Novak leads 4--3

Are you now going to claim ATP Masters are the same as "only 250 events"?
So the 29-27 is because of Qatar and beijing essentially. Ok so i was wrong about Beijing. Thats 500.
WTF does not actually matter legacy wise. Do you ever here pundits or experts mention the WTF? No. They talk about player Major counts total titles and m1000. That is the evidence i rely on making that statement.
The bottom line is we had a Federer era then a Nadal era. Djokovic has been to Nadal was Mcenroe was to borg.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Good thing rankings does not always mean anything. I could argue that the field was much deeper when Fed won his slams. .. And it was.

Those that reach the final are playing at high levels, now whether that high level is sustained can be determined. Such as Karatsev and Med.
Yes spot on. But the killer for Djokovic fans, who seem really salty despite his recent AO success, is this...Hewitt 80 weeks no.1 Becker 12 weeks.
That really tells us everything.
Had Djokovic got to no.1 in 2008 and say been Federers main rival when Federer was peak then yes he would be having GOAT claims. But he was Federers bunny lets be honest up to 2011 in the main. Federer is clear as to who the best player he has faced is and it is not Djokovic.
Djokovic was no.3 for so long during the prime of the Big 2 he will probably never now get rid of that Third wheel moniker. I say this as someone who likes and respects Djokovic. However he never broke the glass ceiling.
 

Jai

Rookie
So the 29-27 is because of Qatar and beijing essentially. Ok so i was wrong about Beijing. Thats 500.
WTF does not actually matter legacy wise. Do you ever here pundits or experts mention the WTF? No. They talk about player Major counts total titles and m1000. That is the evidence i rely on making that statement.
The bottom line is we had a Federer era then a Nadal era. Djokovic has been to Nadal was Mcenroe was to borg.
You admit above in your own post, that Masters 1000 matter. And then you wilfully misstate Novak's favourable 16--12 h2h in Masters matches as somehow owing to "qatar and beijing essentially".
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
Yes spot on. But the killer for Djokovic fans, who seem really salty despite his recent AO success, is this...Hewitt 80 weeks no.1 Becker 12 weeks.
That really tells us everything.
Had Djokovic got to no.1 in 2008 and say been Federers main rival when Federer was peak then yes he would be having GOAT claims. But he was Federers bunny lets be honest up to 2011 in the main. Federer is clear as to who the best player he has faced is and it is not Djokovic.
Djokovic was no.3 for so long during the prime of the Big 2 he will probably never now get rid of that Third wheel moniker. I say this as someone who likes and respects Djokovic. However he never broke the glass ceiling.
You forgot some ass-whooping Nadal got in 2011 across all surfaces hahaha
 

Beckerserve

Legend
You admit above in your own post, that Masters 1000 matter. And then you wilfully misstate Novak's favourable 16--12 h2h in Masters matches as somehow owing to "qatar and beijing essentially".
I never said Djokovic does not have some things going for him. Would not be much of a rivalry if he didnt. Bottom line is that to date Nadal has a better resume.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Weeks at 1 can be like of the criterias for the GOAT but being ahead or behind in weeks is no big deal in it unless you are in the same range.

It is like a stat which every GOAT of their times should have but not necessarily what makes them the GOAT.

Sampras had 286 weeks so that doesnt mean Federer is better because of 310.
Federer will be better because of 20 vs 14 and also vs multiple records ....

So 311 or even 350-400 will not make Novak the GOAT, but is something that he needs in the 300 range to still be in the argument.

Nadal is on 200 so an argument comes up that Nadal was never 1 in his era, it was Federer in his decade and then Novak in the next decade.

These sort of arguments would also come you know.
Djokovic has never had an era as he is behind his generational rival in slam count.
 

Jai

Rookie
2008 to now. He has more majors than Djokovic bud. Thats how it works. Ask Federer who is greatest rival is. Clue is there.
Hmm. What if one was to ask Nadal himself?
Just so you know, Nadal has gone on record several times that Novak was tougher for him than Fed.

https://www.sportswallah.com/tennis/news/novak-djokovic-not-roger-federer-the-toughest-opponent-ive-faced-rafael-nadal/

"But at a technical level, when Djokovic has been at the top of his game, I have to say that I’ve been up against an invincible player."

Rafa's words, BTW. :)

Dude, you know what - you & I have our fandom for Rafa in common. But difference is, you seek to bolster that by constantly
denigrating Novak's achievements, despite claiming you "like and respect him". You can root for whomever you want, of course.
But you are playing hard and fast with events and facts.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Djokovic owning Nadal in 2011 is ancient as it was 10 years ago but Djokovic being number 3 in 2008 is huge and somehow puts his weeks at number 1 from 2011 to 2021 into context lol...
 

Beckerserve

Legend
2008 to now...

Nadal = 17 Grand slams
Djokovic = 18 Grand slams

LOL = You need to try again.
Oh dear. You miss the point lol. 1) you cannot include this season until its over. Try again. (I get you like Djokovic to have as much advantage as possible such as events on his beat surface lol) 2) Nadal was winning slams during the Federer era. So Nadal took the baton on from Federer. Djokovic has no era as he has played 2nd fiddle to Nadal his generational rival his whole career.
Federer said his greatest rival is Nadal. That ends the debate. With respect Federer i think has more standing to comment than any of us
 

Tennis_Freak99

Hall of Fame
Oh dear. You miss the point lol. 1) you cannot include this season until its over. Try again. (I get you like Djokovic to have as much advantage as possible such as events on his beat surface lol) 2) Nadal was winning slams during the Federer era. So Nadal took the baton on from Federer. Djokovic has no era as he has played 2nd fiddle to Nadal his generational rival his whole career.
Federer said his greatest rival is Nadal. That ends the debate. With respect Federer i think has more standing to comment than any of us
You are so desperate hahaha. Dude there is a real world outside. Being dumb like you are on TTW won't work for you in the real world. I feel for you
 
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