Djokovic ties Nadal's Masters 1000 Record

#52
Tell me which Slam final Stan won playing against non injured or not exhausted player ?
FO 15 and US Open 16 for a start. Djokovic wasn’t injured in either of them and if he was exhausted in US Open 16 after several walkovers he shouldn’t be a professional athlete. What’s with this exhaustion excuse anyways? If somebody is so weak that he gets exhausted in a slam final it is his own fault. AO 14 Nadal might have been injured but Stan earned this slam nevertheless by beating peak Djokovic at his best slam.
 
#53
So Djokovic is only a Tad behind Nadal, in Masters 1000 records, now given that, though they have the same number of Masters 1000's (33 each), Djokovic has 1 less runner-up (15 compared to 16 for Nadal). On the other hand Djokovic has completed the Career Masters Slam - whereas Nadal hasn't.
 
#54
Nadal never could win a second AO because every time he either had an injury or had to play against strong opponents. He never had such a weak AO draw like Djokovic's 2016 RG draw. (and RG 2019 will probably be even worse)
Good one mate. Always putting down Novak and Fed. He's beaten everyone on clay including Nadal won the FO and every MS1000 on clay.
 
#55
Good one mate. Always putting down Novak and Fed. He's beaten everyone on clay including Nadal won the FO and every MS1000 on clay.
Interesting statement from a person who brings Nadal down all the time. Djokovic had good wins on clay, but in RG he never really had a win over a very strong in-form opponent. (his best win there was IMO against Tsonga in 2012 who played well for two sets a half)
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
#57
So Djokovic is only a Tad behind Nadal, in Masters 1000 records, now given that, though they have the same number of Masters 1000's (33 each), Djokovic has 1 less runner-up (15 compared to 16 for Nadal). On the other hand Djokovic has completed the Career Masters Slam - whereas Nadal hasn't.
Djokovic's Golden Masters trumps Nadal's extra final. It's a unique achievement unlikely to be replicated by anybody else for a long time to come.
 
#58
Interesting statement from a person who brings Nadal down all the time. Djokovic had good wins on clay, but in RG he never really had a win over a very strong in-form opponent. (his best win there was IMO against Tsonga in 2012 who played well for two sets a half)
2012 FO final: Not best year for Novak.
2013 FO SF: Titanic match tbat Novak could have won
2014 final: Novak was close of winning the first 2 sets
2015: Not aNadal greatest year but Novak still straight setted him.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#59
Djokovic's Golden Masters trumps Nadal's extra final. It's a unique achievement unlikely to be replicated by anybody else for a long time to come.
Well normally when things are this close, you can bring the H2H in for the tie breaker if you so wish. So what is the H2H between them in the masters events? Lets take a look.

IW Djokovic leads 3-1
Miami Djokovic leads 3-0
Monte Carlo Tie 2-2
Madrid/Hamburg Nadal leads 3-1
Rome Nadal leads 4-3
Canada Tie 1-1
Cincy Djokovic leads 2-0
Shanghai No matches
Paris Djokovic leads 1-0

Overall Djokovic 16 wins to Nadal 11 wins

Djokovic has wins at 8 of the 9 events (they only played 8 of the 9 events), Nadal has wins at 5 of the 9 events
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
#60
Well normally when things are this close, you can bring the H2H in for the tie breaker if you so wish. So what is the H2H between them in the masters events? Lets take a look.
The point is I don't think it's all that close. Djokovic winning all 9 easily trumps Nadal making an extra final. Wins always trump runners-up.


IW Djokovic leads 3-1
Miami Djokovic leads 3-0
Monte Carlo Tie 2-2
Madrid/Hamburg Nadal leads 3-1
Rome Nadal leads 4-3
Canada Tie 1-1
Cincy Djokovic leads 2-0
Shanghai No matches
Paris Djokovic leads 1-0

Overall Djokovic 16 wins to Nadal 11 wins

Djokovic has wins at 8 of the 9 events (they only played 8 of the 9 events), Nadal has wins at 5 of the 9 events
Case closed.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
#61
It's just seems as time goes by Novak is wrestling more and more records away from from Fedal. He won all four majors in a row, completed the golden masters, and now weeks at #1 and most masters are under threat. What's next, the double career slam?
No Olympic medal at all and he is very patriotic.
 
#63
2012 FO final: Not best year for Novak.
2013 FO SF: Titanic match tbat Novak could have won
2014 final: Novak was close of winning the first 2 sets
2015: Not aNadal greatest year but Novak still straight setted him.
LOL. 2015 was the worst year of Nadal's career. Saying the same things about Djokovic's 2012 and Nadal's 2015 is lunacy, and you know it.
 

Tenez!

Professional
#64
It's just seems as time goes by Novak is wrestling more and more records away from from Fedal.
Wresting?

Lol, Murray should have lost in the first round.
Have you ever competed in any sort of sports tournament? You appear to retroactively criticise incredible runs, because they don't fit it your preconceived notions.
Murray on clay in 2016 was a sight to behold.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
#65
Lol, Murray should have lost in the first round. He needed five sets to beat Stepanek and Bagnis, lost a set to Gasquet from 5-2 up. In the final he completely collapsed after the first set. Come on now.
As for the bolded part-I think it is safe to say any version of Nadal from 2005-2013 and 2017-2018 would beat him. Wawrinka could do that if he reached the final. Djokovic was at his usual RG level, just this time the draw was weak.
By the way, I started this discussion because some people started to troll Nadal in this thread. It's nothing against you.
Always makes me laugh when people say "So and So" should have lost in Round whatever. Fact is they didn't and they wouldn't be the only ones by any means who came through close matches. That said, those early 5 setters very probably took their toll on his energy levels by the time he got to the final. He peaked too early, in the semi against Wawrinka, and didn't have anything left in the tank after taking the 1st set in the final. He made a slight recovery in the 4th but it wasn't enough to get back into the match.
 

robow7

Professional
#66
i think djokovic will break all records
you heard it here
I don't think he gets 100+ tourney wins nor most match wins in ATP history. He could end up with most slams but I just don't see him playing into his late 30's. At times he seems so disinterested and my guess is that one day he wakes up and says that's enough, well knowing he will have left wins on the table. Of course I could be wrong though
 
#67
Agut on clay? :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
Thiem and Murray played real bad against him. Thiem was not a threat in 2016 yet, Murray simply collapsed after 40 minutes of the final. Djokovic's draw was a joke. Nadal was at the worst point of his career, also avoided Wawrinka. I wish Nadal ever had such luck in AO.
Consider that Djokovic has defeated Nadal at RG, Nadal has never defeated Djokovic at the AO, so seems Djokovic has proved he can beat anyone there anyway.

Also consider than Nadal got his pigeon in the 201u final who he had a 3-0 record against, had been out of action for 6 months, was 35 years old, hadn't won a slam in 5 years and hadn't beaten Nadal in a slam in 10 years
 

Zetty

Professional
#68
It's just seems as time goes by Novak is wrestling more and more records away from from Fedal. He won all four majors in a row, completed the golden masters, and now weeks at #1 and most masters are under threat. What's next, the double career slam?
No limit for the one true king...until he gets injured or unmotivated and then there's no limit for Nadal...until he gets injured or unmotivated and then there's no limit for Federer...until he gets injured or unmotivated and at that point we know Fognini will sweep the season.
 
#73
He can have them all but he'll never get the Big One........... Twenty. Two years AWOL cost him.
I think 2012, 13 and 14 cost him more. He played not so good tennis in those years after his brilliant 2011. Also he went slamless in 2009 and 10. He lost many GS wins he shouldn't have lost, mainly those against Murray and Wawrinka. I guess it's fair to say 15 slams at the moment are very, very good achievement for Novak. It will be very difficult for Novak to get to 20 but weeks at no. 1 will be achieved. RG 2019 will explain lot of things in the world of tennis. If Novak gets its and forgets it immediately, he's having WB, USO and AO in front of him. A great chance to come closer to 20 and reach peaks where eagles fly (Fed). And the slowly push that old eagle of the cliff in next years and cement himself as the only and ultimate tennis deity...
 
#74
Consider that Djokovic has defeated Nadal at RG, Nadal has never defeated Djokovic at the AO, so seems Djokovic has proved he can beat anyone there anyway.

Also consider than Nadal got his pigeon in the 201u final who he had a 3-0 record against, had been out of action for 6 months, was 35 years old, hadn't won a slam in 5 years and hadn't beaten Nadal in a slam in 10 years
It is a joke to mention a victory over 2015 Nadal and you know it. Yeah, for sure this proves he can beat peak Nadal in RG, sure. When did Nadal have the chance to face such a terrible version of Djokovic at the AO? When Djokovic is not in form he gets beaten by the likes of Istomin and Chung there. Does it mean they proved they can beat peak Djokovic at the AO? :-D:-D:-D:-D
 
#75
It is a joke to mention a victory over 2015 Nadal and you know it. Yeah, for sure this proves he can beat peak Nadal in RG, sure. When did Nadal have the chance to face such a terrible version of Djokovic at the AO? When Djokovic is not in form he gets beaten by the likes of Istomin and Chung there. Does it mean they proved they can beat peak Djokovic at the AO? :-D:-D:-D:-D
Nadal fans are so biased. When Nadal is behind they always come up with excuses: bad form injuries wtf doesn't count etc etc
 
#76
It is a joke to mention a victory over 2015 Nadal and you know it. Yeah, for sure this proves he can beat peak Nadal in RG, sure. When did Nadal have the chance to face such a terrible version of Djokovic at the AO? When Djokovic is not in form he gets beaten by the likes of Istomin and Chung there. Does it mean they proved they can beat peak Djokovic at the AO? :-D:-D:-D:-D
In achievements Novak is already ahead of Nadal.
 
#78
I think 2012, 13 and 14 cost him more. He played not so good tennis in those years after his brilliant 2011. Also he went slamless in 2009 and 10. He lost many GS wins he shouldn't have lost, mainly those against Murray and Wawrinka. I guess it's fair to say 15 slams at the moment are very, very good achievement for Novak. It will be very difficult for Novak to get to 20 but weeks at no. 1 will be achieved. RG 2019 will explain lot of things in the world of tennis. If Novak gets its and forgets it immediately, he's having WB, USO and AO in front of him. A great chance to come closer to 20 and reach peaks where eagles fly (Fed). And the slowly push that old eagle of the cliff in next years and cement himself as the only and ultimate tennis deity...
True Novak lost many opportunities comes to mind FO 2013 US open 2012 and 2013. At the same time Fed and Nadal have lost opportunities as well wimbledon 2008 Us open 2009 AO 2014
 
#79
It doesn't come to your mind that Novak was having a great season in 2015. He would have won anyway.

https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/th...best-in-tennis-history_sto5000498/story.shtml

Even Nadal admitted that Novak at his best is unbeattable.

" But at a technical level, when Djokovic has been at the top of his game, I have to say that I’ve been up against an invincible player."

Who is the troll? who is the big fan boy?
Yeah, for sure Djokovic was going to beat 2005-2013 or 2017-2018 Nadal when he couldn't even beat Wawrinka. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
Well, if you believe 2015 was peak Nadal then I hope you agree that in 2017 it was peak Djokovic who was destroyed 7-6 6-3 6-0 by Thiem.
 
#83
Yeah, for sure Djokovic was going to beat 2005-2013 or 2017-2018 Nadal when he couldn't even beat Wawrinka. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
Well, if you believe 2015 was peak Nadal then I hope you agree that in 2017 it was peak Djokovic who was destroyed 7-6 6-3 6-0 by Thiem.
I have never sait it was peak Nadal in 2015.

U don't seem to know much about tennis
 
#88
It is a joke to mention a victory over 2015 Nadal and you know it. Yeah, for sure this proves he can beat peak Nadal in RG, sure. When did Nadal have the chance to face such a terrible version of Djokovic at the AO? When Djokovic is not in form he gets beaten by the likes of Istomin and Chung there. Does it mean they proved they can beat peak Djokovic at the AO? :-D:-D:-D:-D
Lol you can say the same about Federer not having the chance to defeat Nadal at various events because when hes not in form he doesnt get that far but fed still does. Also happened with Djokovic loads of times with Djokovic showing up even in poor form on clay and hc but Nadal not returning the favour

The fact is Nadal still made the quarters of RG and yes he was poor by his standards but Djokovic beat him in straights

And Nadal has had more than his share of luck at the USO and managed to avoid getting Djokovic in his half most times it was possible so stop moaning about his luck at the AO, hes been beaten by Murray, Stan and Ferrer there
 

acintya

Hall of Fame
#90
djokovic will break all records
and when his reign ends
a new servebot with a fantastic groundgame will emerge and rule forever. imagine a peak Cilic 2.0.- that would destroy tennis.
 
#91
...and Wawrinka suddenly decided to play the tournament of his life. I know that. But this time I really don't see anybody who can do that.
And then He did it again and again against Novak...
Novak is just not as consistent as I’d like to see it. But could be all a part of the plan
 
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