Djokovic Trailed Federer by 15 slams and Nadal by 8 slams in 2010

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
At the end of 2010 - Novak trailed Fed by 15 slams and Nadal by 8 slams!

Federer: 16
Nadal: 9
Djokovic:1

10.5 years later:

Federer: 20
Nadal: 20
Djokovic:20

In 10.5 years (from 2010-2021) , Novak won 19 slams and counting! This is unbelievable. Has there been any other player who has been so prolific?
 
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loosegroove

Hall of Fame
At that point Fed reaching 20 seemed inevitable, and the question was more how far beyond 20 can he take it. But then things stalled at 17 for a long while and 20 became like a pipe dream. Sports man, sports...
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
but remember djokovic has only succeeded due to being in a weak era (2011-present). even though another player won 10+ slams in the same time frame and two others won at least 3. very weak era...embarrassing.
No one says 2011-present is the weak era. His 3 in 2011 and 3 in 2012-14 are unquestioned. As is his 1st one in 2008.

It's 2015 where the argument for weakness starts. Although that 2014-16 period looks strong as hell now compared to today.
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
At the end of 2010:

Federer: 16
Nadal: 9
Djokovic:1

10.5 years later:

Federer: 20
Nadal: 20
Djokovic:20

How much has Novak won from 2010-2021 -- 19 slams and counting! Unbelievable.
At the beginning of 2010, after the AUS Open, it was Federer + 10 on Nadal, and + 15 on Djokovic
Yet they both levelled things up in spite of competing with each other, the whole time. And competing with Federer



And things aren't settled yet
 
And then there happened to be no Next Gen to comepte against Djoker since 2015. Thats the entire story if you are going start this nonsense.
I agree. the success Djokovic has achieved is partly down to his being younger than his 2 main rivals. Age does matter, even a couple of years. The failure of younger players to forge a real challenge is rather mysterious. I do think the immense hype surrounding Federer, Nadal and Djokovic has contributed to a feeling of invincibility, but that can't be the whole reason. What happened to Them, for example? With both Shapovalov and Berretini at Wimbledon I felt there was an element of playing the reputation rather than the man. And at RG Tsitsipas appeared unaware that Djokovic played possum for a period of the match and allowed himself to be lulled into a losing position.
Also Djokovic has made himself the perfect player by turning himself into a kind of machine. There is no heart and no poetry in his game.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I agree. the success Djokovic has achieved is partly down to his being younger than his 2 main rivals. Age does matter, even a couple of years. The failure of younger players to forge a real challenge is rather mysterious.
Not really. To start with, none of the next gen players you mentioned have a consistent FH/BH to trouble Djokdal who excels at baseline push. Then there is the mentally fickle minded aspect of the entire next gen. These flaws are so obvious you cannot miss it. It was and has been and will be a career inflation era, 2015 onward. Murray and Stan were also beneficiaries of that.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
The Slam race, in table format

FedererNadalDjokovicFed-NadFed-Djo
2003 W10011
2004 AO20022
2004 W30033
2004 US40044
2005 FO41034
2005 W51045
2005 US61056
2006 AO71067
2006 FO72057
2006 W82068
2006 US92079
2007 AO1020810
2007 FO1030710
2007 W1130811
2007 US1230912
2008 AO1231911
2008 FO1241811
2008 W1251711
2008 US1351812
2009 AO1361712
2009 FO1461813
2009 W1561914
2010 AO16611015
2010 FO1671915
2010 W1681815
2010 US1691715
2011 AO1692714
2011 FO16102614
2011 W16103613
2011 US16104612
2012 AO16105611
2012 FO16115511
2012 W17115612
2013 AO17116611
2013 FO17126511
2013 US17136411
2014 FO17146311
2014 W17147310
2015 AO1714839
2015 W1714938
2015 US17141037
2016 AO17141136
2016 FO17141235
2017 AO18141246
2017 FO18151236
2017 W19151247
2017 US19161237
2018 AO20161248
2018 FO20171238
2018 W20171337
2018 US20171436
2019 AO20171535
2019 FO20181525
2019 W20181624
2019 US20191614
2020 AO20191713
2020 FO20201703
2021 AO20201802
2021 FO20201901
2021 W20202000
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Yes, weak gen.
Novak beat
Murray 5 times
Nadal 4 times
Federer 4 times
to get those fake 20 slams

The GOAT deniers are pathetic !
who denies that Novak is among the best tennis players?
some people fairly observe that he lack ATG level competition from 3 generations and still counting of younger players, something that probably never happened in the past and of course this inflates his stats

but Nole isn't guilty, he can only play the opponent that shows up on the other side of the net
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
who denies that Novak is among the best tennis players?
some people fairly observe that he lack ATG level competition from 3 generations and still counting of younger players, something that probably never happened in the past and of course this inflates his stats

but Nole isn't guilty, he can only play the opponent that shows up on the other side of the net
Back to the post #15 above, how different was the situation between 2003 an 2009?

2003 & 2004: Old, crippled Andre is the only ATG in the top 10
2005-2006: Rafa shows up and Andre is done
2007-2009: we have Rafa and RF battling and Novak and Murray "learning"
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Back to the post #15 above, how different was the situation between 2003 an 2009?

2003 & 2004: Old, crippled Andre is the only ATG in the top 10
2005-2006: Rafa shows up and Andre is done
2007-2009: we have Rafa and RF battling and Novak and Murray "learning"
as far as I recall there were 'youngsters' that weren't patiently waiting for Pete and Andre to retire
folks like Kuerten, Ferrero, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Federer actively helped them to embrace the retirement decision

can you please type the entire list of youngsters that are pushing Novak into retirement?
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
as far as I recall there were 'youngsters' that weren't patiently waiting for Pete and Andre to retire
folks like Kuerten, Ferrero, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Federer actively helped them to embrace the retirement decision

can you please type the entire list of youngsters that are pushing Novak into retirement?
Pete and Andre were totally different physical and mental condition from the big 3 today.
Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Zverev, Thiem (pre- 2020 USO), FAA, Berettini...are equally exciting bunch as Roddick, Baggy, Safin, Hewitt back then
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Pete and Andre were totally different physical and mental condition from the big 3 today.
Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Zverev, Thiem (pre- 2020 USO), FAA, Berettini...are equally exciting bunch as Roddick, Baggy, Safin, Hewitt back then
perhaps to you they are "equally exciting bunch"

Roddick, Safin and Hewitt were competitors willing to do what it takes to become #1
can't see the same attitude in: Nishikori, Goffin, Dimitrov, Raonic, Thiem, Edmund, Medy, Berrettini, Garin, Khachanov, Norrie, A Zverev, Hurckaz, Coric, Paul, Rublev, Fritz, Shapovalov, Ruud, AdM, Ruusuvuori, Moutet

these are 3 generations of players after Nole.
please let me know which one of these players managed to get to #1 in ATP ranking at the age when Roddick, Safin and Hewitt did it

P.S.
as for Baggy, he is of Djokodal generation, so if you believe that Baggy is weak era, then you are calling Djokodal weak era ;)
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
At that point Fed reaching 20 seemed inevitable, and the question was more how far beyond 20 can he take it. But then things stalled at 17 for a long while and 20 became like a pipe dream. Sports man, sports...
Very surprising FEDR never won another USO after 2008.
 

ShowStealer

New User
as far as I recall there were 'youngsters' that weren't patiently waiting for Pete and Andre to retire
folks like Kuerten, Ferrero, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Federer actively helped them to embrace the retirement decision

can you please type the entire list of youngsters that are pushing Novak into retirement?
zverev Tsitsipas Medvedev Thiem Rublev all would have pushed pete to retirement
 

Tony48

Legend
At the end of 2002:
Sampras: 14
Federer: 0

Less than 6.5 years later:
Sampras: 14
Federer: 15

How much has Federer won from 2003 - 2009: 15 slams! Even more unbelievable.
Since Federer and Sampras played a mind-boggling one time, I think it's a little different here.
 

Tony48

Legend
who denies that Novak is among the best tennis players?
some people fairly observe that he lack ATG level competition from 3 generations and still counting of younger players, something that probably never happened in the past and of course this inflates his stats

but Nole isn't guilty, he can only play the opponent that shows up on the other side of the net
He played Murray, Nadal, and Federer for the majority of his career.

Just because they aren't 20 years younger than him doesn't make them any less of a threat or elite competition. Like, what better competition could there possibly be than having to face Federer and Nadal (and Murray) between 2008-2015?
 

duaneeo

Legend
Since Federer and Sampras played a mind-boggling one time, I think it's a little different here.
What are you talking about? The thread has nothing to do with the players facing each other. It's simply praising Nole for catching up with Fedal's record in a short period of time...something Federer did with Sampras' record in an even shorter period of time.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
He played Murray, Nadal, and Federer for the majority of his career.

Just because they aren't 20 years younger than him doesn't make them any less of a threat or elite competition. Like, what better competition could there possibly be than having to face Federer and Nadal (and Murray) between 2008-2015?
nice try, but the point was about "3 generations and still counting of younger players"
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
Very surprising FEDR never won another USO after 2008.
Definitely. And he most likely would have, maybe multiple times, were it not for Djokovic. But I can't remember, why was it that Federer almost lost to Monfils and then lost to Cilic in 2014? Kei was so nervous and shell shocked in that final, that even a sub standard Federer would take him out.
 

Forehanderer

Professional
There is a heavy push by not just nole fans but also the atp as it sees novak as the last big star. It ideally wants Nadal to be back considering Fed's retirement is getting closer. But after the big 3 are done, you'll see how men's tennis will be. nole fans have to big him up and I don't see any problem with that but their denial of the past 5 years as a weak era is just laughable. Bring back Roddick, Hewitt and Baggy lol
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
There is a heavy push by not just nole fans but also the atp as it sees novak as the last big star. It ideally wants Nadal to be back considering Fed's retirement is getting closer. But after the big 3 are done, you'll see how men's tennis will be. nole fans have to big him up and I don't see any problem with that but their denial of the past 5 years as a weak era is just laughable. Bring back Roddick, Hewitt and Baggy lol
I see it quite the opposite. Call this a weak era so that Federer still has any relevance in all that…
In reality, the existence of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, short lived Delpo era is as strong as any other era before and only one of the big 3 had to deal with all of them from Slam #0 to slam #20 (or maybe 19)
 

brc444

Rookie
Talking nothing away from what Djokovic has accomplished since 2011, I think we should recognize Fed's amazing career turnaround when he had zero slams heading into Wim 2003. During Fed's run, he was able to turnaround his H2H with several players he had strugged with previously, including Agassi, Henman, Hewitt, and Nalbandian.
 

Forehanderer

Professional
I see it quite the opposite. Call this a weak era so that Federer still has any relevance in all that…
In reality, the existence of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, short lived Delpo era is as strong as any other era before and only one of the big 3 had to deal with all of them from Slam #0 to slam #20 (or maybe 19)
What about the time that "one" hadn't won a slam or the period before he won the second one. As already mentioned here, Baggy was Djokovic's era. So are you saying that Djokovic was part of the weak era which most of the nadalovic fans claim. Wawa and Murray didn't trouble Fedal too much only Djoker. You just witnessed three mugsketeers that competed in the slams this year. You're clearly deluded. Keep watching for the next 5 or so years. Things will be much more clearer
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
I see it quite the opposite. Call this a weak era so that Federer still has any relevance in all that…
In reality, the existence of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, short lived Delpo era is as strong as any other era before and only one of the big 3 had to deal with all of them from Slam #0 to slam #20 (or maybe 19)
how do you call a period of time when the biggest threat to a 33-35 years old tennis player comes from a player that is 6 years older?
please allow me to put into context as well, that 3 generations and still counting of younger talents coming after this mighty 33-35 years old tennis player failed to produce at least 1 ATG level player

and just to cement this, do you think Fed had any business at winning 3 GS titles and getting to #1 in ranking during 2017-2018?
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
who denies that Novak is among the best tennis players?
some people fairly observe that he lack ATG level competition from 3 generations and still counting of younger players, something that probably never happened in the past and of course this inflates his stats

but Nole isn't guilty, he can only play the opponent that shows up on the other side of the net
Djokovic won 17/20 slams facing big4. Show some more respect to the GOAT!
 

duaneeo

Legend
2010 - 2013 rivals: Prime Federer, peak/prime Nadal, peak Murray
Slams won: 5

2014 - 2017 rivals: Past prime/partially absent Federer, prime/partially absent Nadal, prime Murray, peak Wawrinka
Slams won: 6

2018 - 2021 rivals: Geriatric Federer, battle worn Nadal, LostGens
Slams won: 8
 
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Quaichang

Rookie
Definitely. And he most likely would have, maybe multiple times, were it not for Djokovic. But I can't remember, why was it that Federer almost lost to Monfils and then lost to Cilic in 2014? Kei was so nervous and shell shocked in that final, that even a sub standard Federer would take him out.
Nobody was beating Cilic at 2014 USO
 

Tony48

Legend
What are you talking about? The thread has nothing to do with the players facing each other. It's simply praising Nole for catching up with Fedal's record in a short period of time...something Federer did with Sampras' record in an even shorter period of time.
Well I provided additional context for your viewing pleasure.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
2010 - 2013 rivals: Prime Federer, peak/prime Nadal, peak Murray
Slam won: 5

2014 - 2017 rivals: Past prime/partially absent Federer, prime/partially absent Nadal, prime Murray, peak Wawrinka
Slams won: 6

2018 - 2021 rivals: Geriatric Federer, battle worn Nadal, LostGens
Slams won: 8
Djokovic is like a fine wine - he gets better as he ages
 
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