Djokovic US Open Path Harder Without Fedal

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mike danny

mike danny

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Meles said:
Some education for the big three sycophants.

1. Since 2013 US Open Final Nadal has 0.0 hardcourt matches won versus Djokovic; nine straight losses!
2. Since 2015 Cincy Masters Fed has 0 outdoor hard court wins and just two WTF Round robin victories.

so who are the players with the best record versus Djokovic on Hardcourts currently on tour?

Medvedev 1-3, But has always taken sets In his losses.
Kyrgios 2-0, not playing but definitely taunting Novak:sneaky:
Tsitsipas 2-2
Thiem 1-1 starting in 2017
Bautista Agut 3-0 starting in 2016:eek:
Zverev 1-2
Wawrinka 3-4 starting in 2014

So 8-8 for those above at US Open versus Djoko on hard against 0-15 for Fedal. Of course Djokovic is going to say that he faces great competition this year at the U.S. Open because in reality it’s going to be much harder without Fedal.:-D:-D:-D
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That second RR match was actually a knockout match.
 
TheAssassin

TheAssassin

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It benefits NextGen more than Djokovic, now they know only one Big 3 guy is in their way. Although their consistency against the whole field hasn't been exceptional. Should be interesting to follow how it all unfolds...
 
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Djokovic hasn't lost to either of them in a slam in a long time so the logic that without them its somehow worth less is lolworthy

not a Novak fangirl btw
 
TennisManiac

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Lleytonstation said:
I do think you may have a point here, but not for the reasons you say.

Rafa and Fed were likely to take out some of these younger players that could cause issues for Djoker. Now, they will not be there to stop them. So Djoker will likely have to go through one if not two of his tougher opponents.
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This is exactly what I was thinking.
 
PeoplesChamp

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Meles said:
No he pulled the ripcord so we didn’t have to lose the set And U.S. Open draw upon us tomorrow:p Probably pulled out earlier than he might of if things were better spaced out
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He really doesn't have the best tiebreak record. You think he would with the serve he possesses. He's still young, so he can turn it around. I hope he's healthy. I'd like to see a little diversity in styles deep into the tournament for once. Ashe would probably kill his chances though if he made it that far.
 
mehdimike

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The thing is if all these mentioned players were present then djoko's draw could be way tougher. He might need to beat wawa medvedv thiem rafa back to back to win the title which is now obviously not happening under the current status quo.
 
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Meles

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mehdimike said:
The thing is if all these mentioned player were present then djoko's draw could be way tougher. He might need to beat wawa medvedv thiem rafa back to back to win the title which is now obviously not happening under the current status quo.
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Excellent point. He would’ve had 50-50 chance of a medvedev/tsitsipas quarterfinal.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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mehdimike said:
The thing is if all these mentioned player were present then djoko's draw could be way tougher. He might need to beat wawa medvedv thiem rafa back to back to win the title which is now obviously not happening under the current status quo.
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As it turns out Rafa and waw not there. Thiem and Med arguably his biggest threats in a slam are on other side of draw.

As a djoko fan I admit it couldn’t have turned out better. I am pleased that RBA is on other side too as he’s a problem player for Novak.

Hopefully Novak can take advantage and get 18. He’s won cincy again so the confidence is high, more records achieved and win streak still in place.
 
Meles Fan.

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PeoplesChamp said:
Meanwhile, yet another "huge" Djokovic threat Medvedev goes down. That's 3/4 now. They can't even make QF or SF of Masters.

Absolutely pathetic.

:happydevil:
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weakera

weakera

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This is actually a somewhat interesting notion. However, its effect is dulled considerably with Djokovic's cupcake draw.
 
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SonnyT

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Raonic is dangerous, because when he's on and healthy, nobody in this tournament can return his serve, except Djokovic!
 
Meles Fan.

Meles Fan.

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PeoplesChamp said:
Honestly, I wish it wasn't this way. If the Next Gen can make it through the early rounds without too many hiccups or eliminations, they'll find themselves in a lot better position with the weather and court conditions. Just gotta survive in the meantime!
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Its the sad truth:cry:
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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Meles said:
Some education for the big three sycophants.

1. Since 2013 US Open Final Nadal has 0.0 hardcourt matches won versus Djokovic; nine straight losses!
2. Since 2015 Cincy Masters Fed has 0 outdoor hard court wins and just two WTF Round robin victories.

so who are the players with the best record versus Djokovic on Hardcourts currently on tour?

Medvedev 1-3, But has always taken sets In his losses.
Kyrgios 2-0, not playing but definitely taunting Novak:sneaky:
Tsitsipas 2-2
Thiem 1-1 starting in 2017
Bautista Agut 3-0 starting in 2016:eek:
Zverev 1-2
Wawrinka 3-4 starting in 2014

So 8-8 for those above at US Open versus Djoko on hard against 0-15 for Fedal. Of course Djokovic is going to say that he faces great competition this year at the U.S. Open because in reality it’s going to be much harder without Fedal.:-D:-D:-D
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But I think you need to revise the H2H against Agut. :)
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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Meles said:
That match was stolen by the end of 2nd set roof closure In order to ice RBA serve.:sneaky:
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I've only seen highlights, my new reality. What went on with the roof? It certainly appears Joker had everything there he could handle, so if your point is that the next guy to steal a slam from Novak is not likely to be be Fed or Nadal, I could not agree more.
 
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myth

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RF-18 said:
Federer has had some close encounters lately with Djoko that could have gone his way. If we just check his last 4 encounters with Djoko, you have Paris 2018 where it was as close as it gets, then Wimbledon 19, again either way, then he beat him convincingly and knocked him out of the tournament at the ATP finals with a serving masterclass (this is what is so dangerous about him, if he is serving like that Djokovic would rather want to play anyone else) and then Djoko returned the favour at AO but Federer obviously had a groin injury

He would have been a bigger threat than Rafa if we just focus on those 2. Federer is a dangerous opponent and I believe Djokovic rather would not face him. I think he rather takes a baseline slugfest against Medvedev or Thiem. Federer is Federer, sorry.
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The worst opponent for Novak on HC is Batista Agut and Medvedev. Tsitsipas has managed to get 2 wins against Novak in Toronto and Shanghai.
Fed would be a major threat in a best of 3 sets match. Nowadays it seems unlikely he would get a win in a best of 5 sets match on HC.
Novak is obviously much better than Nadal on HC.

The thing that makes this tournament intriguing is the fact that Novak is probably injured. Best out of 5 sets 7 matches could hurt him.
 
Meles

Meles

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Gary Duane said:
I've only seen highlights, my new reality. What went on with the roof? It certainly appears Joker had everything there he could handle, so if your point is that the next guy to steal a slam from Novak is not likely to be be Fed or Nadal, I could not agree more.
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RBA serving at 4-5,in 2nd.. play paused to close roof hence the icing.
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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Meles said:
RBA serving at 4-5,in 2nd.. play paused to close roof hence the icing.
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It's so sad that you can't get whole matches even after they are over. I really feel out of it now, without being able to record, because that's where I used to do all my watching. Even if I wanted the suspense of not knowing results, I still started matches later and then zipped through ball bouncing, change overs, and delays. I feel like watching that way I was able to focus better and watch much more objectively.

I keep talking about Djokovic's return game.

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Return games won leaders and stats by career, year, surface and country from men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour.
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There has been so little play that I don't know how we analyze this, but we do know that right now Novak's % of return games is around his career average, and I believe his total game % has slipped slightly below 60%. Look at where Agut is, and also notice Rafa. I think Rafa's numbers are inflated by circumstances, and who knows what rust is doing, but I believe that one stat is going to be key in determining if Novak can stay on top. During his really top years he was more like 34% of return games won, or higher. If that starts to slip down to 30%, that will be a sure sign that his return game is declining. I'd watch that carefully over the next year or so.
 
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