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Good poast.
Djokovic versus Federer on clay?
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Good poast.
Djokovic2011
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Based on as much as your thinking that Fed tanked the match, or "didn't try".
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Their match didn't result in a slam for Novak anyway.
Their Wimbledon one later that year did, for Federer.
Even if I give RG 2012 as fair and square, he only has a handful of brownie points as a result.
Ditto RG 2011 for Fed.
What matters is trophies and results IMO.
Their Wimbledon one later that year did, for Federer.
Even if I give RG 2012 as fair and square, he only has a handful of brownie points as a result.
Ditto RG 2011 for Fed.
What matters is trophies and results IMO.
The-Champ
Legend
is that the one who lost to verdasco?
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
And Muster, Burguera and Moya and a bunch of other players
and Rosset at his clay peak!
its is embarrassing that everyone judges the best the best the best, it is laughable when tennis is actually now monotone baseline only
spencerjudd
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2012 is not the best clay version of Nadal ever by any stretch. It is the best clay version of Nadal the last 4 years only. Still inferior to the 2005, 2006, 2007 versions and way inferior to the 2008 and 2010 ones.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
What's the Federer - Nadal h2h pre WTF? :lol:
The 2008 final would've been over in straights if not for rain saving Federer from embarrassing defeat.
But let's not forget, in 2008, Federer was too old :lol:
vanioMan
Legend
Nadal 2011-2014 at his best?
Lol.
Have you watched Nadal on clay during 2005-2008?
NatF
Bionic Poster
You misunderstand my comment - as usual when it comes to Djokovic. He deserved the win, he was definitely the better player. But it wasn't a high quality match. I don't share certain opinions that it shouldn't count...it does. But Federer was not playing well in that SF. Hence my point that Djokovic doesn't have a standout win at the French.
Until 2011 I'd argue Federer didn't have one either, other than maybe the Del Potro 09 win.
Federer has 5 consecutive RG semis. Only Nadal has that.
Federer has 5 RG finals vs 2 RG finals.
1 RG title vs 0 RG titles.
Also, talk about luck, it was Fed who was more unlucky. Nole has the benefit of playing past prime Nadal and still can't take advantage of that.
Also, in 2009, Djokovic had the same chance, since Nadal was out for him too. So, how is it luck?
We can't start giving Fed and Nole phantom slams, just because Nadal was playing.
RF-18
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Federer got beat in straights fair and square in that FO 2012 QF. I have a hard time believing that Fed would tank that match.
Fed did have great opportunities in that match.I think he was a break up in all three sets, or the first two, not sure. But I remember Fed breaking him several times but got later broken back.
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Federer didn't tank the match, but peak Federer would have an easy time with him that's for sure..
I still don't think Djoker is better than Federer on clay. Not until he has the results to back himself up.
RF-18
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I don't believe that aswell. He has alot of work to do until he can have that honour.
mike danny
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The thing is, Federer would be 80% guaranteed to have 5 RG titles now. Djokovic would be guaranteed to only have 3.
Federer is pretty much certain to win RG 2005,2006,2007,2011 to go along with his 2009 title.
Djokovic is certain to win RG 2012,2013 and 2014.
In RG 2006 and 2007 Djokovic isn't beating Federer in the final.
In RG 2008 I call it 50/50. Yes Federer played horrible in the final, but he was mentally broken at RG vs Nadal at that point. Having Djokovic in the final instead would be a huge mental boost for Roger. He always gets up to play Djokovic so don't declare Nole the winner as of yet. That match is 50/50. Could go either way.
So Federer has been more affected by Nadal than Nole.
Federer is pretty much certain to win RG 2005,2006,2007,2011 to go along with his 2009 title.
Djokovic is certain to win RG 2012,2013 and 2014.
In RG 2006 and 2007 Djokovic isn't beating Federer in the final.
In RG 2008 I call it 50/50. Yes Federer played horrible in the final, but he was mentally broken at RG vs Nadal at that point. Having Djokovic in the final instead would be a huge mental boost for Roger. He always gets up to play Djokovic so don't declare Nole the winner as of yet. That match is 50/50. Could go either way.
So Federer has been more affected by Nadal than Nole.
Djokovic2011
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vanioMan
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Yes, actually.
Go watch some Federer 2005-2008 on clay. During that period he was THE ONLY man who beat Rafa on this surface (together with Ferrero in Rome 08, when Rafa had foot injury).
Fed 05-08 > Djokovic 11-14 on clay.
It baffles me how much people underestimate Fed. Have you started watching tennis in 2011?
Djokovic2011
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^^^ No actually. Sabratha said Federer would have an "easy time" with him. Might be best if you read posts properly from now on. I started watching tennis in 1993 fwiw.
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Sabratha probably meant easier time, not easy. Djokovic is a force on clay and definitely won't give anyone an easy time.
Just baffles me, in 2011 how he had beaten Nadal in straights at clay masters (Madrid and Rome) and then proceeded to lose to Federer at RG, who is inferior to Nadal on dirt. IMO, if I had to choose between peak Fed/Djo, I will definitely pick Peak Fed. 2006 was definitely his own peak on clay.
Just baffles me, in 2011 how he had beaten Nadal in straights at clay masters (Madrid and Rome) and then proceeded to lose to Federer at RG, who is inferior to Nadal on dirt. IMO, if I had to choose between peak Fed/Djo, I will definitely pick Peak Fed. 2006 was definitely his own peak on clay.
Djokovic2011
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Why do people on this forum think I only started watching tennis in 2011? I never read such comments about other posters on here. How bizarre. 
vanioMan
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Well we all saw RG 11. I don't think it's far from the truth. Four sets at best.
If we are talking about peak Fed vs 2012ovic.
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Djokovic2011
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If you think it would be four sets then you don't think it would be an "easy time". Don't worry, I ain't expecting an apology from you. :roll:
vanioMan
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Why do people on this forum think I only started watching tennis in 2011? I never read such comments about other posters on here. How bizarre.
Because you give out that impression with your Nole fanboyism
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NatF
Bionic Poster
Why do people on this forum think I only started watching tennis in 2011? I never read such comments about other posters on here. How bizarre.
That gets said to plenty of posters. Your username probably doesn't help
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
You should apologise for not reading my posts properly and saying that I only started watching tennis in 2011(zzzzzzzzz). Stop being so arsey with me all of a sudden just because I don't like your hero.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Because you give out that impression with your Nole fanboyism
Clayqueen and octobrina = fanboys(or girls in their case). No way on God's green earth am I anything like them.
They don't know any better, but you do it on purpose
. Your claims that peak would be equal to peak Fed proves this.
vanioMan
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I didn't say you started watching tennis in 2011. I asked you if you started watching tennis in 2011. Don't twist my words, please.
I don't need to apologise because I misunderstood Sabratha's post and therefore your post (not directly, but as a consequence), which to me indicated that peak Fed would not have a hard time beating Nole from RG 12. I didn't know Sabratha compared both of their peaks.
I don't see why do you bring out "my hero" who:
A. Is not my hero.
B. Is not related to these posts.
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spencerjudd
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Djokovic2011 did in fact only start watching tennis in 2011. That is why he is so sensitive to this and goes near beserk when people state the painful truth. :lol: His complete lack of knowledge and awareness of what Federer and Nadal at their best looked like (apart from Nadal on outdoor hard courts at times) is evidence to this. Not to mention his insistence Graf's achievements aren't tainted at all by the Seles stabbing, Chris and Martina faced the same competition levels as a modern day female player, etc...things someone only aware of tennis the last 3 years would suggest. Tennis begins and ends with his beloved Nole for him.
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I meant peak Federer would have an easy time with HIMSELF from Roland Garros 2012. Peak VS peak, I'd say Roger would beat Novak in 4 sets at the most though..
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LazyNinja19
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Djokovic2011
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^^^ You do know it's NadalAgassi right? 
(not that I bothered reading his post) What's your problem with me all of a sudden anyway?
(not that I bothered reading his post) What's your problem with me all of a sudden anyway?
LazyNinja19
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^^^ You do know it's NadalAgassi right?
I don't know about that. I'm back on the forum after a while.
No problem with you, just messing around.
Unbelievable
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Nathaniel_Near
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That's very much who it looks like. It's hilarious. :lol:
NatF
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Yeah, it's clearly him. He doesn't even try to hide these days. He's not a terrible poster by comparison to some so I don't mind seeing him pop up every now and then :lol:
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I just LOVE how much he hates me. And when the mods ban him again he'll hate me even more. :lol:
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Nathaniel_Near
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I welcome his presence here but Djokovic2011 always gets him banned.
What I want to know is.. is NadalAgassi also davey25?
(PS, apologies NadalAgassi for prompting you to delete your first/second most prolific and successful board profile).:twisted:
LazyNinja19
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Even if he is NadalAgassi (i don't even know who that poster is), he still seems like 20x better poaster than Chicko.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Even if he is NadalAgassi (i don't even know who that poster is), he still seems like 20x better poaster than Chicko.
Not even close - at least Chico was never aggressive or rude towards anyone. NadalAgassi on the other hand is one of the biggest dbags I've ever come across on an internet forum. I pity his friends and family that have to actually spend time with him.
vanioMan
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Why are you so silent all of a sudden...
What is it you want me to say boo boo?
Michael88
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No, Federer was in his prime in 2008 and Nadal's win was very impressive.
With that said, the Nadal-Federer head-to-head in the second half of the ATP calendar is:
6-3 for Federer.
What if they played 24 matches in this part of the year, and just 9 in the first half?
16-8 in the second half
7-2 or 8-1 in the first half
Food for thought :lol:
But of course, the great warrior is too scared, or, ahem, injured to face Federer in the second half of the calendar.
LazyNinja19
Banned
What if this...what if that...
What if doesn't work in sports. It's a stupid argument, that doesn't deserve any time. The majority of the tennis is played till Wimbledon. So that's where majority of the meetings between any 2 players occur. It's not just a Fed-Nadal thing.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I beg to differ.
Federer and Djokovic have played 19 matches post FO. That's more than half of their total number of matches.
Federer and Murray as well have played 16 matches post FO. That's almost 3/4 of their total number of matches.
I know you try hard, but they won't listen. Anyway, we don't need to bother. I don't care if Fed is 0-100 vs one journeyman.
All that matters is records, we don't need to justify the h2h or make excuses.
Nadal fans know they are defeated, so they try to create a strawman with h2h argument. So, don't help them
Or we can create our own strawman, with Rafa losing to Davy and journeymen at majors.
17, 25, 302, 6, genius style. That finishes any argument.
Fiji
Legend
That gets said to plenty of posters. Your username probably doesn't help
I concur............
I agree 100%. So, will you stop using WHAT IF RAFA WAS HEALTHY arguments?
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