Djokovic versus Federer on clay?

LazyNinja19

Banned
I beg to differ.

Federer and Djokovic have played 19 matches post FO. That's more than half of their total number of matches.

Federer and Murray as well have played 16 matches post FO. That's almost 3/4 of their total number of matches.

I said post Wimbledon. RG & Wimby are just 2 weeks apart.

I agree 100%. So, will you stop using WHAT IF RAFA WAS HEALTHY arguments?

I never use that argument, brother. :)
 

Michael88

Banned
What if this...what if that...

What if doesn't work in sports. It's a stupid argument
I agree. Which is why:

Federer (17) >>> Nadal (14) >>>>>> Djokovic (8 )

And Federer > Djokovic on Clay because he is a French Open champion, has more finals at RG, and more Masters. What-ifs are for losers.

The majority of the tennis is played till Wimbledon.
Say, what? Do you even follow Tennis?

Pre-Wimbledon: 2 Slams, 5 Masters
Post-French Open: 2 Slams, 1 WTF, 4 Masters

If anything, more Tennis is played after the French Open.

So that's where majority of the meetings between any 2 players occur. It's not just a Fed-Nadal thing.
But it is. Look at the calendar. The two halves are as equal as can be. Federer was good enough to face Nadal in his favored half 24 times. Nadal was good enough to face Federer in his favored half just 9 times.
 

LazyNinja19

Banned
I agree. Which is why:

Federer (17) >>> Nadal (14) >>>>>> Djokovic (8 )

And Federer > Djokovic on Clay because he is a French Open champion, has more finals at RG, and more Masters. What-ifs are for losers.

Agreed.

Say, what? Do you even follow Tennis?

Pre-Wimbledon: 2 Slams, 5 Masters
Post-French Open: 2 Slams, 1 WTF, 4 Masters

If anything, more Tennis is played after the French Open.

Say what? Do you even read the posts?

I said till Wimbledon, means including it.

Till Wimbledon: 3 Slams, 5 Masters
Post Wimbledon: 1 Slam, 4 Masters (Of course the Year-end championships will be played at the year-end)

But it is. Look at the calendar. The two halves are as equal as can be. Federer was good enough to face Nadal in his favored half 24 times. Nadal was good enough to face Federer in his favored half just 9 times.

Be glad about that. Otherwise, Fed would have less titles than he has already.

I said post-French Open. Who said anything about post-Wimbledon? Read my posts carefully.

It was about post FO.

The 6-3 H2H includes Wimb as well

My bad guys. :oops: I meant post Wimby.
 

Michael88

Banned
Say what? Do you even read the posts?

I said till Wimbledon, means including it.

Till Wimbledon: 3 Slams, 5 Masters
Post Wimbledon: 1 Slam, 4 Masters (Of course the Year-end championships will be played at the year-end)
So let me get this straight.

1. I say, post-French Open.
2. You take that to mean post-Wimbledon and say I'm wrong
3. And then attack an argument that isn't even mine
4. And now I should read posts properly?

Somebody needs a mirror :lol:



Be glad about that. Otherwise, Fed would have less titles than he has already.
I thought we agreed that what-if was a "stupid argument" for losers? Why are you using a what-if? :lol:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Agreed.



Say what? Do you even read the posts?

I said till Wimbledon, means including it.

Till Wimbledon: 3 Slams, 5 Masters
Post Wimbledon: 1 Slam, 4 Masters (Of course the Year-end championships will be played at the year-end)



Be glad about that. Otherwise, Fed would have less titles than he has already.





My bad guys. :oops: I meant post Wimby.
No problem :)

Seriously, why would we exclude Wimb, where Fed has 7 titles?
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
I said post Wimbledon. RG & Wimby are just 2 weeks apart.



I never use that argument, brother. :)

Hey, brother from another mother.

By you I didn't necessarily mean you personally, but those Nadal fans who do it.

Also it was a warning if you decided to use it in the future.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
What's the Federer - Nadal h2h pre WTF? :lol:

The 2008 final would've been over in straights if not for rain saving Federer from embarrassing defeat.

But let's not forget, in 2008, Federer was too old :lol:

Let's not forget

Federer > Davydenko > Nadal > Federer
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
What's the Federer - Nadal h2h pre WTF? :lol:

The 2008 final would've been over in straights if not for rain saving Federer from embarrassing defeat.

But let's not forget, in 2008, Federer was too old :lol:

The rain came in at the right time to win the 3rd and 4th set. But unfortunately it decided not to stay for the 5th. If the rain was more consistent it could've been a slam champion.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
The rain came in at the right time to win the 3rd and 4th set. But unfortunately it decided not to stay for the 5th. If the rain was more consistent it could've been a slam champion.

Had they decided to postpone the match due to darkness, Federer could have beaten him the next day. Nadal was lucky.
 
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King Fed WW

Guest
Had they decided to postpone the match due to darkness, Federer could have beaten him the next day. Nadal was lucky.

Had the roof been built, the match would have been played indoors...
 

Michael88

Banned
Well explain to me where did I accuse you of never watching tennis before 2011 and who is this "my hero" guy and what does he have to do with the subject here? :)

Don't bother. If he is faced with reason, he just goes around it and starts making things up.
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
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6-3 6-0

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"Peak" Roger can't even win more than 1 set against Nadal at RG

I didn't know that performance against one player showed your greatness on the surface. According to your logic, Peak Isner is better than Peak Federer on clay since he took Nadal to 5 sets at RG, no?

Djokovic, undoubtedly, matches up much better against Nadal than Federer does and yet couldn't tame the clay beast. In 2011, most Djokovic fans believed/still believes that Djokovic would've won RG had he made the finals but guess what, he didn't even make it that far.
 

Tony48

Legend
I didn't know that performance against one player showed your greatness on the surface. According to your logic, Peak Isner is better than Peak Federer on clay since he took Nadal to 5 sets at RG, no?

I'm talking about when you combine it with everything else. And defeating Nadal in a best of 5 on clay is the ultimate test, right? And between the two, Novak came the closest.
 
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6-3 6-0

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I'm talking about when you combine it with everything else. And defeating Nadal in a best of 5 on clay is the ultimate test, right? And between the two, Novak came the closest.

Sure it is but like you said when you're combining "everything else", Fed's resume on clay looks better compared to Djokovic's atm.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Sure it is but like you said when you're combining "everything else", Fed's resume on clay looks better compared to Djokovic's atm.
Not to mention Nadal was better when Federer played him..
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Second best since Borg? :lol:

What happened to Lendl, Wilander and Kuerten?

I would love watching Nadal demonlish any of those guys on clay! Especially Wilander! Lol

Djokovic has taken Nadal to his absolute limits at the French (2013). He just needs to keep at it. I hope they have another showdown this year.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Federer has the greater Clay resume right now. And I still think he will come out on top more often than not, if they played against each other at their Peaks. That goes for nearly all surfaces really.....
 

Noelan

Legend
In 2009 Nadal and Novak destroyed each other at that Madrid SF, that's the real reason for federers RG along with Madrid masters ,but God forbid that his worshipers would admit that.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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Again, Fed Never went through Nadal for the FO!
Djokovic has never been that lucky!

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten the part where, you know, that mattered at all. :neutral:

Federer's RG career:
Federer-withdraws-from-German-tournament.jpg


Djokovic's RG career:
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Not Federer's fault that Nadal got destroyed by Soderling in 2009.
It's also not his fault that Djokovic got destroyed by Kohlschrieber in 2009.
;)
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
In 2009 Nadal and Novak destroyed each other at that Madrid SF, that's the real reason for federers RG along with Madrid masters ,but God forbid that his worshipers would admit that.

You are kidding right?

Haha!!
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
He sure was. Such a shame we didn't get to see their WTF final in November when Roger wasn't feeling so great. Oh well.....

The instances aren't really comparable though. Novak had the injury before the tourney, and obviously knew he had it under control, or else he wouldn't have played and risked it before RG.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Sorry, I seem to have forgotten the part where, you know, that mattered at all. :neutral:

Federer's RG career:
Federer-withdraws-from-German-tournament.jpg


Djokovic's RG career:
djokovic-stare.gif


Not Federer's fault that Nadal got destroyed by Soderling in 2009.
It's also not his fault that Djokovic got destroyed by Kohlschrieber in 2009.
;)
Federer also beat Soderling for the trophy (the guy that beat Nadal). You can't get any better than that.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Quicker, younger, more hungry and closer to his best on clay.

Only a delusional Djoker-fanboy like yourself would argue otherwise..

The only delusional one on here is you and you know it. Nadal has improved other aspects of his game in recent years to make up for a slight decline in speed. Keep talking nonsense though, we're used to it by now.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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You are kidding right?

Haha!!
I guess according to this guy that's why Djoker couldn't win the French Open in 2011. His battles against Murray on clay took too much out of him. :lol:
 
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Deleted member 307496

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The only delusional one on here is you and you know it. Nadal has improved other aspects of his game in recent years to make up for a slight decline in speed. Keep talking nonsense though, we're used to it by now.
If it's delusional to think that 2007-2010 Nadal is better than present time Nadal, then I'm guilty of it.

Nadal was one of my favorites during that time, and I can tell you honestly he was playing better then than every recent year besides 2012. And he shut Djokovic out in 4 sets then, the same as against Federer..
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
The only delusional one on here is you and you know it. Nadal has improved other aspects of his game in recent years to make up for a slight decline in speed. Keep talking nonsense though, we're used to it by now.

Only 2012 claydal comes close to the one Fed struggled with.
 
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