Djokovic visits "energy pyramids" I can't come up with this stuff

N01E

Professional
I love how people here are commenting like its his first visit there. Same thing happened when he trained in Pepe Imaz academy after Wimbledon 2019. "I know that I know nothing" is the wisest saying I've ever heard and it really is showing. I don't know why visiting a place with untested positive effects and no negatives that costs absolutely nothing to him is such a problem. Remember when he went on "untested" diet in 2011? Then another one in 2015? But most people here probably think that utility maximalizing diet is eating three stakes and then drink some beer with doing some push-up afterwards. But I think Djokovic should wait 20 or 30 more years until we are ABSOLUTELY SURE of effects of his health choices. He should just keep his form:
 

Mkiske

Semi-Pro
Djokovic is my favorite player but he could really do without all this voodoo crap..

Just focus on tennis, stop with the pseudoscience. Please Novak..
Honestly I have fun with these stories, I used to get more irritated. lol
The important thing is to win the AO-21 and WB-21.
RG and USO? Forget! There is a Spanish Egyptian curse in these places.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
The important thing is to win the AO-21 and WB-21.
I would not be counting on the AO being held in Australia next year unless it is postponed to much later in 2021. And even then, at this point, there are no guarantees.

And the way things are going in England at the moment, Wimbledon 2021 could still be at risk as well.

Based on this year's events, RG and the USO are the two most likely tournaments to be held in 2021. The French and the Americans seem to be treating COVID a lot less seriously than Australia and the UK are.
 

Pmasterfunk

Professional
I love how people here are commenting like its his first visit there. Same thing happened when he trained in Pepe Imaz academy after Wimbledon 2019. "I know that I know nothing" is the wisest saying I've ever heard and it really is showing. I don't know why visiting a place with untested positive effects and no negatives that costs absolutely nothing to him is such a problem. Remember when he went on "untested" diet in 2011? Then another one in 2015? But most people here probably think that utility maximalizing diet is eating three stakes and then drink some beer with doing some push-up afterwards. But I think Djokovic should wait 20 or 30 more years until we are ABSOLUTELY SURE of effects of his health choices. He should just keep his form:
On some level, I don't really care if he visits a tourist spot saying it helps him feel better. I don't think they're anything strange or hokey about that. If anything, had he said he likes to go see these pyramids and enjoy the unique geological formations would be a really interesting take. Instead he goes for dubious claims made by a suspicious grifter. It has no direct negative effect on him, but by promoting a guy who sells snake oil, he is having a negative effect on the world at large.

As a person who respects Djokovic and his acheivements and has cheered for him on many occasions, I worry about this stuff, and I think his fans should be worried too instead of blindly praising everything he does. If he didn't spend all his non-tennis waking hours looking up hokey pseudo-science stuff, he'd probably have more time and energy to spend on things that would actually have a real positive impact on his health, both physical and mental, his game, and the communities of which he's a part. If you believe that having a slice of bread on your stomach makes you weaker, I don't know what to say, but that's not how gluten intolerance works. Maybe cutting gluten did help Djokovic, which is totally possible, but the fact he's constantly surrounded by gurus and pseudo scientists is worrying and ultimately dangerous.

And the ideas that these guys - whose claims are basically always countered by the scientific community - are all visionaries doing groundbreaking work, that their work is never peer-reviewed purely by coincidence, and that they're totally not shady business men looking to make a buck by exploiting a famous athlete is naive at best.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Irrelevant if pyramids are natural or not. I'd find it more fascinating if they're natural. But it's about negative ionization levels which are higher the anywhere else in the world. People either like to pretend negative ionization isn't a thing or they are just ignorant. There are plenty of other natural sources of negative ionization like waterfalls, oceans, forests etc.

 

Clay lover

Hall of Fame
Can people just make negative ion detectors and track people's serotonin levels to see if there's actually basis to this crap
 
Djokovic is the most intelligent player on tour because he can speak multiple languages with ease. You are a bunch of haters.

Also, he is obviously in better shape for his age than either Nadal or Fed. The Pyramids must clearly be doing something. :unsure:

 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
For people who are too lazy to google scientific studies on negative ions effects:
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
"The influence of negative air ions on rectal temperature (Tr), heart rate (HR), oxygen uptake (VO2) and ventilation (VE) was examined in male subjects (n = 8)"

this is lovely

one wonders whether our resident loco science journalist volunteered for this glorious n = 8 study.

i can also see now why novak would want to seek out some negative ions to adjust his rectal temperature after Nadal piledrove him.
 
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eagletennis

Semi-Pro
I really thought that tennis fans are one of the most educated people in the world. I can't believe how many people are still living in "just rub a dirt on the wound son" world.Novak was made fun before when he was using hyperbaric chamber before anyone else, now everyone is using it. He is just using things which are well known in wellness industry. You can just listen couple episodes of Ben Greenfield podcast or Rhonda Patrick podcast to figure out what is this all about. I refuse to believe that tennis fans can be such a Neanderthals but you guys are proving me wrong. It's ok to dislike or even hate Novak,heck those heart celebrations are cringey as hell but you all sound dumb like some of my fellow Serbians when they labeled Novak as a traitor because he practices eastern medicine..Just grow up its 2020 information is everywhere
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
I read that the key to opening the Fourth Eye is eating gluten. Someone send this advice to Djokovic.
I do like Djokovic. He has probably the most disappointments career wise in terms of huge historic matches lost yet he always holds his head up and looks beyond tennis. The energy pyramids now more widely known. Thanks to Novak. I do like Djokovic.
 
I really thought that tennis fans are one of the most educated people in the world. I can't believe how many people are still living in "just rub a dirt on the wound son" world.Novak was made fun before when he was using hyperbaric chamber before anyone else, now everyone is using it. He is just using things which are well known in wellness industry. You can just listen couple episodes of Ben Greenfield podcast or Rhonda Patrick podcast to figure out what is this all about. I refuse to believe that tennis fans can be such a Neanderthals but you guys are proving me wrong. It's ok to dislike or even hate Novak,heck those heart celebrations are cringey as hell but you all sound dumb like some of my fellow Serbians when they labeled Novak as a traitor because he practices eastern medicine..Just grow up its 2020 information is everywhere
Because information is everywhere it is important to verify which information is true and which is just pure quackery. Usually it takes an incredible effort in terms of resources (including money and time) to perform scientific studies. Anything else is pure snake oil salesmanship.

Back in the day they used to sell Radium infused water because they thought the radioactivity levels in that water were beneficial, but then people started dying of it and getting horrible tumors. The best you can expect from things like this is for them to be innocuous (i.e. to not do anything at all).
 
Is actually a beautiful place; can see myself relaxing and
"The influence of negative air ions on rectal temperature (Tr), heart rate (HR), oxygen uptake (VO2) and ventilation (VE) was examined in male subjects (n = 8)"

this is lovely

one wonders whether our resident loco science journalist volunteered for this glorious n = 8 study.

i can also see now why novak would want to seek out some negative ions to adjust his rectal temperature after Nadal piledrove him.
give this man an award for this post asap.
 

Slowtwitcher

Hall of Fame
"The influence of negative air ions on rectal temperature (Tr), heart rate (HR), oxygen uptake (VO2) and ventilation (VE) was examined in male subjects (n = 8)"

this is lovely

one wonders whether our resident loco science journalist volunteered for this glorious n = 8 study.

i can also see now why novak would want to seek out some negative ions to adjust his rectal temperature after Nadal piledrove him.


Abstract
Objectives: This study was conducted to examine whether negative air ions generated from pajamas would influence the rectal temperature and the immune system during night sleep.
Materials and methods: Nine females (aged 18-23 years) served as participants. They slept during the night in their homes, wearing the pajamas with generation of negative air ions (1260 ions/cm3) and with normal standard (520 ions/cm3).
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
I do like Djokovic. He has probably the most disappointments career wise in terms of huge historic matches lost yet he always holds his head up and looks beyond tennis. The energy pyramids now more widely known. Thanks to Novak. I do like Djokovic.
Is Novak getting paid by the Pyramid scammers (and by the Bosnian government tourism board)?

Cause he's making them money by promoting it and giving it more free publicity than it ever had before combined.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Is Novak getting paid by the Pyramid scammers (and by the Bosnian government tourism board)?

Cause he's making them money by promoting it and giving it more free publicity than it ever had before combined.
Would not surprise me tbh. Best bit of advertising !!
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I haven't seen mention of this, so here we go:
Djokovic has decided to visit a "pyramid park" containing "energy tunnels" of some sort to help heal himself after his RG loss:

https://www.france24.com/en/20201013-after-nadal-loss-djokovic-seeks-solace-at-bosnia-s-energy-pyramids
Here's one in french: https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/tennis/2020-10-13/apres-sa-defaite-a-roland-garros/djokovic-se-ressource-dans-un-parc-des-pyramides-esoterique-en-bosnie.php

I don't know what to say.
Discuss/Disgust
First he’s an egghead; now he’s into pyramids. That sounds almost like the symbol for friends getting together to disgust their 12 steps of self-improvement. That would explain some of his shaky behavior these last few months.
 

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Because information is everywhere it is important to verify which information is true and which is just pure quackery. Usually it takes an incredible effort in terms of resources (including money and time) to perform scientific studies. Anything else is pure snake oil salesmanship.

Back in the day they used to sell Radium infused water because they thought the radioactivity levels in that water were beneficial, but then people started dying of it and getting horrible tumors. The best you can expect from things like this is for them to be innocuous (i.e. to not do anything at all).
Research is there. Its your choice to be ignorant
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
I predict that in 2020, there will be a global pandemic that will infect hundreds of millions of people and kill millions of people. Tens of millions will require hospitalisation.

This global pandemic will bring many countries Economies to their knees. Millions will lose their jobs. International travel will be brought to a standstill. Everyday past times such as Sport will be seriously disaffected.

If a year ago, anyone had told you these things were going to happen, most of you would have branded them a "Lunatic".

Remember .. an "OPEN" mind ALWAYS trumps a closed one.

Ignore this at your own peril.
 
I predict that in 2020, there will be a global pandemic that will infect hundreds of millions of people and kill millions of people. Tens of millions will require hospitalisation.

This global pandemic will bring many countries Economies to their knees. Millions will lose their jobs. International travel will be brought to a standstill. Everyday past times such as Sport will be seriously disaffected.

If a year ago, anyone had told you these things were going to happen, most of you would have branded them a "Lunatic".

Remember .. an "OPEN" mind ALWAYS trumps a closed one.

Ignore this at your own peril.
Imo most people aren't critical of an open minded approach. It's the pseudo science ******** trying to support unfounded claims that is laughable, and Novak trying to be a hipster and relentlessly posting such crap on social media and what not does not help his case at all.

If people where to actually examine things a bit more seriously and if Novak wasn't such a try hard, we wouldn't have this thread (or at least I wouldn't post in it in such a way).
 
Research is there. Its your choice to be ignorant
Do you know what scientific research entails?

I think the problem is that you are using the word "research" in a different way than people who actually devote their life to science do.
 
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