Djokovic vs Federer against NextGen

Oceans II

Professional
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)
 

Razer

Legend
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)

To be fair to Roger, he is second to none at obliterating non ATG opponents. Here his record is not as good as Novak because the age gap between himself and these next gens is 15-17+

Ruud, Tiafoe & Stefanos are 17 years younger, Rublev is 16+, Alisamme is a full 20, Med and Berretini are 15, Alexander is 16.

These guys are all almost 2 generations younger to Roger, that means a complete ERA younger. You cannot expect him to be invincible against them.
 

Oceans II

Professional
Nadal vs
Alcaraz: 2-1
Ruud: 2-0
Tsitsipas: 7-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 2-1
Medvedev: 5-1
Fritz: 2-2
Zverev: 7-3
Berrettini: 2-0
Sinner: 3-0
Tiafoe: 2-1
Khachanov: 8-0

Overall h2h: 44-12
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)
We’re referring to 21 Berrettini and 19 Hurcakz as high level ?????? :unsure: This propaganda is off the charts
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Lots of statistically insignificant clean sweeps for Fed which could easily have developed into pigeon territory (Med being a prime likelihood) and that's a shell of a shadow of a husk of Federer. Also Zverev wasn't worse then. This doesn't actually tell us much RE Fed vs Djoker, but it does tell us that NextGen are ROFLMAO - but we already knew that.
 

Oceans II

Professional
To be fair to Roger, he is second to none at obliterating non ATG opponents. Here his record is not as good as Novak because the age gap between himself and these next gens is 15-17+

Ruud, Tiafoe & Stefanos are 17 years younger, Rublev is 16+, Alisamme is a full 20, Med and Berretini are 15, Alexander is 16.

These guys are all almost 2 generations younger to Roger, that means a complete ERA younger. You cannot expect him to be invincible against them.
The age gap with Nole is also signifcant. Though Roger may have been slighter older than when Nole has played against NextGen, he had played against much inferior and less developed versions. Case in point with Tsitsipas at AO19 vs RG21.
 
NextGen is useless with no drive or will. . They aren’t even as good as Hewitt, roddick, davydenko, Gonzales etc. yea some of them may have more talent but they put in Zero effort. Talent is pretty worthless without motivation

I have no doubt the davydenko, Hewitt, roddick gen would be beating old Nadal, Fed, djokovic many many times. Something these useless bums fail to do
 

Oceans II

Professional
Lots of statistically insignificant clean sweeps for Fed which could easily have developed into pigeon territory (Med being a prime likelihood) and that's a shell of a shadow of a husk of Federer. Also Zverev wasn't worse then. This doesn't actually tell us much RE Fed vs Djoker, but it does tell us that NextGen are ROFLMAO - but we already knew that.
Zverev worse??? I'm not sure what tennis you're following? RG22, Olympic + USO21, etc Zverev would give "prime" versions of Federer a good run.
 

Razer

Legend
The age gap with Nole is also signifcant. Though Roger may have been slighter older than when Nole has played against NextGen, he had played against much inferior and less developed versions. Case in point with Tsitsipas at AO19 vs RG21.

Federer and Nole are 6 years apart.

While they are only half a gen apart and this age gap means nothing when they are both in early 30s and late 20s respectively, this becomes a big deal when Novak is in early 30s and Federer is in late 30s. When athletes reach 35+ they are seriously slow compared to someone who is 30+, so when they both play a 19-20 year old then athleticism plays a big role.

Alcaraz/Rune are 16 years youger to Nole, wait till Djokovic plays guys younger than them in 2024-2025, you will find him getting his butt whooped (or maybe not? time will say) .... In any case, Roger's age difference was too big. Cannot blame him for not being dominant against these guys, Roger used to school Raonic, Dimitrov and co when he was still fit, so no complains at all.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
For me what the stats show is that Zverev and Medvedev have been around longer and featured most frequently against the big 3 while Alcaraz Ruud, and Sinner are the latest new comers to arrive at the later stage of the career of the big 3 and Stefanos is looming somewhere in between.
 

Silverbullet96

Hall of Fame
In any case, Roger's age difference was too big. Cannot blame him for not being dominant against these guys, Roger used to school Raonic, Dimitrov and co when he was still fit, so no complains at all.

I mean it's super obvious to anyone who's mind is not one of Federer's residencies.
 

Federev

Legend
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)
It tells us Federer is six years older than Djokovic.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Zverev worse??? I'm not sure what tennis you're following? RG22, Olympic + USO21, etc Zverev would give "prime" versions of Federer a good run.
Didn't say that, just that he wasn't worse around when Fed played him imo. Of course his best performances in later years will compare. Don't really care about prime Fed here; we're not even dealing with prime Djoker either anyway. Again, all this really tells us is that NextGen is essentially ROFLMAO.
 

Razer

Legend
Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are all around 87-88% win vs Non ATG rivals younger than them.

Novak is probably 88% and Fed is 87.xy right below him, Rafa is also somewhere at 87.xy, there is not much difference in how they destroy next gens/younger players.
 

InsuranceMan

Hall of Fame
Rod Laver defeats against NextGen: 0
Djokovic defeats against NextGen: 14

Discuss !
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Laver doesn’t have the balls to step back on the court because he knows he’s not good enough for this strong gen. And you cant say he’s too old, I know nothing about sports medicine but what I can do is make offhanded vague claims about it and use them to somehow disregard basic biology. The only disadvantage would be Laver’s weak mug mentality :-D:-D:-D
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)

FAA has a straight set win against Djokovic.
 
Let’s be real prime Fed would mop the floor with this trash for a generation. He would dominate them more than he actually did his own gen since their heads would crawl back into their shells way sooner than feds gen

If they can’t handle geriatric OLD slow Nadal and djokovic they’ll be lucky win a combined 3-4 matches against prime fed (and probably even there Fed is just giving it to them and throwing them a bone)

If you think they disappear now imagine when you got 05-06 Fed handing out breadstick after breadstick. Most of them would just drop off the radar completely and you would forget there were even on tour LOL
 

Omega_7000

Legend
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)


LOL this is textbook definition of cherry picking stats without context.
 

Nole_King

Hall of Fame
NextGen under 27 yo ranked inside the Top 20:

Djokovic vs
Alcaraz: 0-1
Ruud: 4-0
Tsitsipas: 10-2
Rublev: 2-1
Auger-Aliassime: 1-0
Medvedev: 9-4
Fritz: 6-0
Rune: 1-1
Hurkacz: 4-0
Zverev: 7-4
Berrettini: 4-0
Sinner: 2-0
Tiafoe: 1-0
Musetti: 3-0
Khachanov: 8-1

Overall h2h: 62-14

Defeated superior, high level versions of NextGen like RG20+21 and clay Tsitsipas, AO21 Medvedev, AO21+USO21 Zverev, 21 Berrettini, even W22 Sinner and W19 Hurkacz, etc. Even better h2h if you add in Shapovalov, Coric, Kecmanovic, etc.

Federer vs
Ruud: 1-0
Tsitsipas: 2-2
Rublev: 0-1
Auger-Aliassime: 0-1
Medvedev: 3-0
Fritz: 2-0
Hurkacz: 1-1
Zverev: 3-4
Berrettini: 2-0
Tiafoe: 3-0
Khachanov: 1-0

Overall h2h: 18-9

Played against inferior, less mature and less developed versions of NextGen. Worse h2h if you add in Thiem (though 29 yo), Coric, etc. Could also argue he avoided NextGen at certain stages.

Discuss!
;)

In case of Federer you are not looking at next gen record but next to next gen record.
 

Razer

Legend
Peak Federer would have destroyed Zverev/Medvedev/Shapo/Tiafoe/Stefanos with such efficiency that they might never win any tournament with him in it and might even start considering themselves as complete losers who have to take up another career, the psychological damage might have been that bad. I don't see Tsitsipas win anything against Federer, he has nothing in him to beat him even once. His H2H is 2-2 because he is literally 17 years younger (August 81 - August 98).
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
What is use of such comparison as Fed is 6 year more gap and willl loose more
 
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