Djokovic vs Federer peak for peak at Wimbledon

[DjokoGOAT]

Wimbledon head to head : 3-1
Wimbledon finals: 3-0 to Djokovic peak for peak.

2015 Federer playing better than ever -
“I think I'm a better player now than when I was at 24 because I've practised for another 10 years and I've got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “I might not have the confidence I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it's ever been, I volley better than I have in the past.”“I think I've had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

 

[Deleted member 758560]

federer 200%

 

[maratha_warrior]

Federer is GOAT .

 

[Third Serve]

Federer. No debate whatsoever.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Zetty]

Nah

 

[PeoplesChamp]

 

[SonnyT]

Physically Fed may have edge! Mentally Djok overwhelms!

 

[zagor]

Too early to say, Fed hasn't reached his peak on grass yet.

 

[King No1e]

I'd love to see a 2006erer vs 2011ovic match. Of course Fedr would be the favorite, but Djokovic was so insanely good during 2011 Wimbledon that I would still give him a solid chance.

 

[SonnyT]

Mentally, Djokovic is stronger now than in 2011. Mental armor is often Djokovic's ace in the hole against Federer.

Their matches are much more than just contests of skills.

 

[Mainad]

Deleted.

 

[Towny]

Djokovic no doubt has played at a very high level at Wimbledon but even Lew believes Federer's best performance there was a higher level. That tells you all you need to know

 

[DjokoGOAT]

Djokovic no doubt has played at a very high level at Wimbledon but even Lew believes Federer's best performance there was a higher level. That tells you all you need to know

Federer’s best level was in 2015 or 2019

 

[DSH]

Fed in 4 sets!

 

[MeatTornado]

 

[Towny]

Federer’s best level was in 2015 or 2019

What are you basing that off? Even if you want to say that his best level has been the past few years (which is patently ridiculous) why not 2017? He not only got to the final having lost 0 sets (unlike both 2015 and 2019), but he won the final in straights as well.

 

[Third Serve]

Federer’s best level was in 2015 or 2019

Incorrect.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

They'd be more even than some Federer fans like to claim but Federer at his best on grass is also quite a bit better than some Djokovic fans like to claim.

All in all if Fed didn't blow MP it would be 2-2 which I think is a pretty fair record.

They've been pretty even on grass.

 

[Third Serve]

What are you basing that off? Even if you want to say that his best level has been the past few years (which is patently ridiculous) why not 2017? He not only got to the final having lost 0 sets (unlike both 2015 and 2019), but he won the final in straights as well.

He’s basing all of that on a couple of quotes taken out of context. Obviously, Fed can never be wrong so it’s true that he was peak in 2015-2019. However, he also said that in 2013 when he was losing left and right to almost every player in the top 100.

 

[TheAssassin]

Incorrect.

True.

He forgot to throw 2014 in there as well.

I am disappointed too.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

What are you basing that off? Even if you want to say that his best level has been the past few years (which is patently ridiculous) why not 2017? He not only got to the final having lost 0 sets (unlike both 2015 and 2019), but he won the final in straights as well.

Similar level but didn’t face Djokovic so wasn’t tested.

 

[King No1e]

They'd be more even than some Federer fans like to claim but Federer at his best on grass is also quite a bit better than some Djokovic fans like to claim.

All in all if Fed didn't blow MP it would be 2-2 which I think is a pretty fair record.

They've been pretty even on grass.

Could've been 2-2. Will forever be 40-15.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Could've been 2-2. Will forever be 40-15.

Oh well. Fedr has won plenty he should have lost too.

I still think 2014 Wimbledon was the superior match to 2019. Even if Fed had won 2019.

 

[Towny]

He’s basing all of that on a couple of quotes taken out of context. Obviously, Fed can never be wrong so it’s true that he was peak in 2015-2019. However, he also said that in 2013 when he was losing left and right to almost every player in the top 100.

Yeah it's the classic peak 2015 argument. But even with that ridiculous logic, 2017 Fed was at least as good and probably better than 2015 and certainly 2019. Of course, you and I both know Fed played his best Wimbledon tennis in the 2000s

 

[PeoplesChamp]

They'd be more even than some Federer fans like to claim but Federer at his best on grass is also quite a bit better than some Djokovic fans like to claim.

All in all if Fed didn't blow MP it would be 2-2 which I think is a pretty fair record.

They've been pretty even on grass.

They've been even since Federer got old. I agree

 

[Third Serve]

True.

He forgot to throw 2014 in there as well.

I am disappointed too.

Don’t forget 2013.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ezafj

Observe the date of this AMA and then scroll down to the comment about 2007 Federer.

 

[King No1e]

Oh well. Fedr has won plenty he should have lost too.

I still think 2014 Wimbledon was the superior match to 2019. Even if Fed had won 2019.

+1. That was one of the most emotional wins for Novak, especially because Federer was not messing around that day.

For drama and significance 2019 takes the cake, though.

 

[TheAssassin]

They've been even since Federer got old. I agree

Djokovic was comfortably the best Wimbledon player in the 2010s and won all three of their finals. That's not even.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Djokovic was comfortably the best Wimbledon player in the 2010s and won all three of their finals. That's not even.

Federer won 2012 and was the better player in 2019. That's even. As far as their own meetings.

 

[DSH]

peak Fed of 2006 would beat peak Djoko of 2015 in 4 sets.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

+1. That was one of the most emotional wins for Novak, especially because Federer was not messing around that day.

For drama and significance 2019 takes the cake, though.

I don't know, TTW seems to like to believe in matches of the past having heavy influence on matches of the future.

If there was any match that Federer lost a lot of belief against Djokovic in, it was 2014 Wimbledon and 2015 Wimbledon.

If 2014 Wimby Fed gets that 5th set BP I don't think he bottles the match serving for it like his 2019 self.

 

[TheAssassin]

Federer won 2012 and was the better player in 2019. That's even. As far as their own meetings.

He still lost in 2019 though. Don't grasp at straws. Djokovic has been the man to beat at Wimbledon for a while now.

 

[StrongRule]

Yeah it's the classic peak 2015 argument. But even with that ridiculous logic, 2017 Fed was at least as good and probably better than 2015 and certainly 2019. Of course, you and I both know Fed played his best Wimbledon tennis in the 2000s

No, no, no. You don't get it. A peak year is when Djokovic is at his peak, when that happens the rest of the players in the world are in their peak as well. In 2017 Djokovic wasn't at his peak so others were also not peak, just got some lucky wins because they didn't have to face him.

 

[StrongRule]

I don't know, TTW seems to like to believe in matches of the past having heavy influence on matches of the future.

If there was any match that Federer lost a lot of belief against Djokovic in, it was 2014 Wimbledon and 2015 Wimbledon.

If 2014 Wimby Fed gets that 5th set BP I don't think he bottles the match serving for it like his 2019 self.

Federer looked very tired in the fifth set of Wimbledon 2014 final. I'm not sure he would have won even if he converted that BP.

 

[Towny]

I don't know, TTW seems to like to believe in matches of the past having heavy influence on matches of the future.

If there was any match that Federer lost a lot of belief against Djokovic in, it was 2014 Wimbledon and 2015 Wimbledon.

If 2014 Wimby Fed gets that 5th set BP I don't think he bottles the match serving for it like his 2019 self.

2014 Wimbledon is one of the most significant matches in both of their careers IMO. Djokovic had lost Wimbledon 13 F, USO F, had been dethroned at the AO and lost yet another match to Nadal in the RG F. He had lost the last 5 slams and 3 finals in a row. If he lost yet again, his confidence would have taken yet another significant blow. As it is, he went on to win 5 of the next 7 slams.

Federer's biggest problem from 2014 onwards has been Djokovic. Mainly in slams. And as much as Djokovic has outplayed him (Wimbledon 2015, AO 2016), there have been matches where Federer's loss was significantly influenced by the mental side (USO 2015, Wimbledon 2019). If he wins in 2014, he has confidence in the slams against Djokovic going forward. As it is, he lost much of it in that match and the rest was beaten out of him at Wimbledon 2015 and beyond.

So yeah, completely agree with your assessment. Wimbledon 2014 was the more significant match, although I guess 2019 may well have been Federer's last legitimate shot at another slam. But time will tell, and I never like to count the old man out.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

He still lost in 2019 though. Don't grasp at straws. Djokovic has been the man to beat at Wimbledon for a while now.

Fed being one point away from it being 2-2 is grasping at straws?

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Federer looked very tired in the fifth set of Wimbledon 2014 final. I'm not sure he would have won even if he converted that BP.

We'll never know. He had all the momentum and the crowd on his side though. And he wasn't really one to capitulate against Djokovic as much back then.

Federer even played a pretty good, non passive BP, Djokovic just came up with the goods.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

2014 Wimbledon is one of the most significant matches in both of their careers IMO. Djokovic had lost Wimbledon 13 F, USO F, had been dethroned at the AO and lost yet another match to Nadal in the RG F. He had lost the last 5 slams and 3 finals in a row. If he lost yet again, his confidence would have taken yet another significant blow. As it is, he went on to win 5 of the next 7 slams.

Federer's biggest problem from 2014 onwards has been Djokovic. Mainly in slams. And as much as Djokovic has outplayed him (Wimbledon 2015, AO 2016), there have been matches where Federer's loss was significantly influenced by the mental side (USO 2015, Wimbledon 2019). If he wins in 2014, he has confidence in the slams against Djokovic going forward. As it is, he lost much of it in that match and the rest was beaten out of him at Wimbledon 2015 and beyond.

So yeah, completely agree with your assessment. Wimbledon 2014 was the more significant match, although I guess 2019 may well have been Federer's last legitimate shot at another slam. But time will tell, and I never like to count the old man out.

Perfectly said. 100 percent my thoughts exactly. On all counts.

All in all it's been a great rivalry to watch, even if Djokovic has gotten the lions share in the tail end. Plenty of times Fed went full on cheat code vs Djokovic as well.

It's a matchup I've always enjoyed. Easier for me than most Fed fans I guess since I like Djokovic a lot too.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

Fed being one point away from it being 2-2 is grasping at straws?

In real matches Djokovic is 3-0 in Wimbledon finals. Of course Federer wins all fantasy matches.

 

[TheAssassin]

Fed being one point away from it being 2-2 is grasping at straws?

I admit, at least it's not in the same league as "Djokovic should have lost at 2008 AO in straight sets". But yes.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

I admit, if anything it's not in the same league as "Djokovic should have lost at 2008 AO in straight sets" at least.

I can't help what I believe man

 

[tsurismo5]

Federer with the pro staff 90 had more surgical shotmaking which might’ve troubled djokovic more.

 

[mike danny]

2014 Wimbledon is one of the most significant matches in both of their careers IMO. Djokovic had lost Wimbledon 13 F, USO F, had been dethroned at the AO and lost yet another match to Nadal in the RG F. He had lost the last 5 slams and 3 finals in a row. If he lost yet again, his confidence would have taken yet another significant blow. As it is, he went on to win 5 of the next 7 slams.

Federer's biggest problem from 2014 onwards has been Djokovic. Mainly in slams. And as much as Djokovic has outplayed him (Wimbledon 2015, AO 2016), there have been matches where Federer's loss was significantly influenced by the mental side (USO 2015, Wimbledon 2019). If he wins in 2014, he has confidence in the slams against Djokovic going forward. As it is, he lost much of it in that match and the rest was beaten out of him at Wimbledon 2015 and beyond.

So yeah, completely agree with your assessment. Wimbledon 2014 was the more significant match, although I guess 2019 may well have been Federer's last legitimate shot at another slam. But time will tell, and I never like to count the old man out.

The question is why did Fed lose confidence against Djokovic? What made Wimb 2014 so different than all the other previous times he had lost to Novak in slams?

I mean he still had the belief he could beat Djokovic in slams in 2011-2012 even after consecutive slam losses.

Is there anything other than the obvious answer i.e. age?

 

[Deleted member 768841]

Federer 2003-2008 was amazing at Wimbledon, granted he didn’t win 2008 but he played amazing. Djokovic has also played great at Wimbledon, but 8 > 4(?)

 

[TheAssassin]

I can't help what I believe man

That's fair.

 

[mike danny]

2003-2008 Fed would beat any Djokovic at Wimb, IMO.

2009 and beyond is when it gets trickier.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

In real matches Djokovic is 3-0 in Wimbledon finals. Of course Federer wins all fantasy matches.

Oh I just noticed your post Djokegoat. Fed was geezer for 3, arguably all of those matches.

 

[Deleted member 768841]

2003-2008 Fed would beat any Djokovic at Wimb, IMO.

2009 and beyond is when it gets trickier.

Yeah, I think Fed got off the hook in 2009. A weaker opponent than Nadal for a second go for a guy like Fed at Wimbledon is all he needs.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

The question is why did Fed lose confidence against Djokovic? What made Wimb 2014 so different than all the other previous times he had lost to Novak in slams?

I mean he still had the belief he could beat Djokovic in slams in 2011-2012 even after consecutive slam losses.

Is there anything other than the obvious answer i.e. age?

I don't think 2014 was a lack of belief I think Djokovic was just that good. But Fed definitely had chances to beat Djokovic in 2014-2015 and just couldn't find the answers.

That always annoyed me a lot more than the 2019 match, personally.