Djokovic vs Nadal peak for peak on clay?

Djokovic vs Nadal peak for peak on clay


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DjokoGOAT

Semi-Pro
Now hear me out. Obviously nadal is the GOAT on clay with his incredible longevity, consistency and sheer amount of wins.
However, we know that Novak is 2-0 in 2011 and 2-0 in 2015 on clay. So nadal is 0-4 vs peak Djokovic.

Can we conclude Djokovic has the highest ever peak on clay? I think we can at least say he’s the clay BO3 BOAT.

Wilander (expert analyst, commentator and ATG) agrees with me:

 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
1. WTF

2. You're seriously counting 2015 Nadal in this comparison. Dude was awful all year and he lost matches to all sorts of people throughout the year. He even lost CC matches to Murray and Wawrinka who had never beaten him on the surface before. At RG he was awful too.

3. 2011 was impressive from Novak but Nadal has definitely played better CC seasons (2008 and 2010 both stick out to me) so "peak-for-peak" is a misnomer.

4. Clay Bo3 BOAT? With just 9 clay Masters compared to Nadal's 26? Yup, no bias here for sure.

5. Wilander has made several clueless statements in the past, as I'm sure many of you can remember. This is one of them.

6. Begone troll.
 
1. WTF

2. You're seriously counting 2015 Nadal in this comparison. Dude was awful all year and he lost matches to all sorts of people throughout the year. He even lost CC matches to Murray and Wawrinka who had never beaten him on the surface before. At RG he was awful too.

3. 2011 was impressive from Novak but Nadal has definitely played better CC seasons (2008 and 2010 both stick out to me) so "peak-for-peak" is a misnomer.

4. Clay Bo3 BOAT? With just 9 clay Masters compared to Nadal's 26? Yup, no bias here for sure.

5. Wilander has made several clueless statements in the past, as I'm sure many of you can remember. This is one of them.

6. Begone troll.
Don't expect logical post from a troll
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Now hear me out. Obviously nadal is the GOAT on clay with his incredible longevity, consistency and sheer amount of wins.
However, we know that Novak is 2-0 in 2011 and 2-0 in 2015 on clay. So nadal is 0-4 vs peak Djokovic.

Can we conclude Djokovic has the highest ever peak on clay? I think we can at least say he’s the clay BO3 BOAT.

Wilander (expert analyst, commentator and ATG) agrees with me:


The count of clay titles answers your question:
starting from BCN going all the way to RG.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Wilander is an expert ATG tennis analyst so if he says Djokovic level on clay in 2015 is better than any Nadal up to that point then I trust his judgement.
Maybe 2017-2019 evolved Nadal is better though.

yeah, right.
and Trump is a successful businessman and president of the US. So you could just follow his advise and drink some bleach.

P.S.
Just beware that it usually kills not only the virus but as well the person, but hey, who cares that the virus dies together with the person? (sarcasm)
 

DjokoGOAT

Semi-Pro
yeah, right.
and Trump is a successful businessman and president of the US. So you could just follow his advise and drink some bleach.

P.S.
Just beware that it usually kills not only the virus but as well the person, but hey, who cares that the virus dies together with the person? (sarcasm)
Trump didn’t advise anyone to drink bleach so not sure what your point is there. He is a successful businessman and one of the GOAT presidents so no idea why you brought him up.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Trump didn’t advise anyone to drink bleach so not sure what your point is there. He is a successful businessman and one of the GOAT presidents so no idea why you brought him up.

indeed, he suggested that people inject bleach.
that's such a big difference.
completely no risk for health, no risk to die (sarcasm alert!!!)
 

DjokoGOAT

Semi-Pro
indeed, he suggested that people inject bleach.
that's such a big difference.
completely no risk for health, no risk to die (sarcasm alert!!!)
He asked his medical experts if there was a way to kill the virus by injecting something. I do not remember seeing an interview where he suggested people should inject it, I think you must have invented that.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
1. WTF

2. You're seriously counting 2015 Nadal in this comparison. Dude was awful all year and he lost matches to all sorts of people throughout the year. He even lost CC matches to Murray and Wawrinka who had never beaten him on the surface before. At RG he was awful too.

3. 2011 was impressive from Novak but Nadal has definitely played better CC seasons (2008 and 2010 both stick out to me) so "peak-for-peak" is a misnomer.

4. Clay Bo3 BOAT? With just 9 clay Masters compared to Nadal's 26? Yup, no bias here for sure.

5. Wilander has made several clueless statements in the past, as I'm sure many of you can remember. This is one of them.

6. Begone troll.
1. TRASH exho.
2. 2015 = peak Nadal (more experience than in those LMFAO years you mention in point 3.
3. See PREVIOUS.
4. Nadal cleared up BO3 clay against MUGS and CLOWNS; when peak Djokovic arrived (i.e. ACTUAL competition, he got EXPOSED (LOL)).
5. So you know more than a tennis expert PROFESSIONAL who is an ATG in his sport and widely esteemed. OK SURE.
6. Resorting to personal insults means you have lost the argument.

ROFLMAO.
 

DjokoGOAT

Semi-Pro
1. WTF

2. You're seriously counting 2015 Nadal in this comparison. Dude was awful all year and he lost matches to all sorts of people throughout the year. He even lost CC matches to Murray and Wawrinka who had never beaten him on the surface before. At RG he was awful too.

3. 2011 was impressive from Novak but Nadal has definitely played better CC seasons (2008 and 2010 both stick out to me) so "peak-for-peak" is a misnomer.

4. Clay Bo3 BOAT? With just 9 clay Masters compared to Nadal's 26? Yup, no bias here for sure.

5. Wilander has made several clueless statements in the past, as I'm sure many of you can remember. This is one of them.

6. Begone troll.
2. I’m not aware of any injuries 2015 nadal was carrying??? I think he played the same as 2011-2013 but the field evolved. He had more experience and practice than ever so would be a better player.
4. BOAT, not GOAT. As a level of play Djokovic is arguably the BOAT of clay.
5. Such as? Wilander is a well respected expert tennis analyst and commentator. I trust his judgement.
6. Troll? Only insults while I provide stats and numbers.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
2. I’m not aware of any injuries 2015 nadal was carrying??? I think he played the same as 2011-2013 but the field evolved. He had more experience and practice than ever so would be a better player.

so the field evolved in 2015, to then devolve back in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019?
hmmm, interesting concept

6. Troll? Only insults while I provide stats and numbers.
cherry picking is not stats, just like random numbers
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
1. TRASH exho.
2. 2015 = peak Nadal (more experience than in those LMFAO years you mention in point 3.
3. See PREVIOUS.
4. Nadal cleared up BO3 clay against MUGS and CLOWNS; when peak Djokovic arrived (i.e. ACTUAL competition, he got EXPOSED (LOL)).
5. So you know more than a tennis expert PROFESSIONAL who is an ATG in his sport and widely esteemed. OK SURE.
6. Resorting to personal insults means you have lost the argument.

ROFLMAO.
2. I’m not aware of any injuries 2015 nadal was carrying??? I think he played the same as 2011-2013 but the field evolved. He had more experience and practice than ever so would be a better player.
4. BOAT, not GOAT. As a level of play Djokovic is arguably the BOAT of clay.
5. Such as? Wilander is a well respected expert tennis analyst and commentator. I trust his judgement.
6. Troll? Only insults while I provide stats and numbers.
@TearTheRoofOff you basically predicted almost everything he was gonna say.
 

DjokoGOAT

Semi-Pro
so the field evolved in 2015, to then devolve back in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019?
hmmm, interesting concept


cherry picking is not stats, just like random numbers
I already addressed that point. 2017-2019 evolved most peak ever Nadal may well have surpassed 2015 Djokovic on clay. They only really played 2019 rome with both healthy though so not a big sample size unlike Djokovic 4-0 nadal in his peak seaons.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Nadal 80-20 at RG favourite least.
CC masters is closer. 70-30 Nadal at MC and 60-40 Nadal at Rome and Hamburg/Madrid is a 50-50 matchup.
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
Nadal 2008 will beat peak Djoker on clay in 4 sets at RG
Nadal 2010 will beat peak Djoker on clay in 3 sets at any of the Masters 1000 tournaments as well.
 
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