MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Consistency? Novak... maybe even more talented. Who is better and achieved the highest level of tennis? Safin would beat Novak if both were 100%.
Just watched highlights of AO2005. No two players on the planet today could have beaten either Fed or Safin from that match.
Talent wise Safin is better than Djokovic, imo he was better than agassi too.Safin should of won at least 5 grandslams, but he couldn't get his head together sometimes, he also had a bad injury during his career too but anyways he didn't have a bad career, 2 granslams is a dream for most players but a huge underachievment for Safin.
No, that was just dumb.
Federer was tired of winning? What crap, man. If you wanna talk about double standards do better than that.
Was Tsonga seeded? And that's even worse since Hewitt faced them in the 3rd and 4th round respectively, Djokovic played an unseeded player in the final.
That often proves nothing. We know Tsonga did well in the final, we know that Blake only started his good streak of 2005-2006, Nadal reached his first Masters final 2 months after that AO and dominated the whole clay that season, won 90 % of his yearly matches.
That's it and that's enough to prove my point. Who was tougher for Djokovic in 2008 than Roddick/Nalbandian for Hewitt in 2005? David Ferrer? Federer would top both if he wasn't ill and leaking errors from both wings. Tsonga as I mentioned played well in the final but such 1-timers very often lose that final, vide Verkerk who beat 2 best clay courters at the 2003 FO and lost to Ferrero badly in the final.
Are you ********, Federer had mono in 2008, and whos the two best players ever to play the game, Federer and Nadal right?
if Federer being "30-years-old" is that important, then why is he the odds on favorite to win every slam apart from the French Open?
And Federer went on to win a CARRER SLAM worth of majors after 2008
Firstly Djockovic didn't have to play that well to beat Murray in that final.
Secondly Djockovic played brilliantly in the SF vs Federer and if you took that performance compared to Safin winning in 5 sets over Federer in the AO final I'd say that Djickovic was way better than Safin.
I mean the level of play of Djokovic in 2011 AO vs that of Safin in 2005 AO.
Serve:- Safin
Return :- Djokovic
Forehand:-Safin
Backhand:- Djokovic
Court Coverage:- Djokovic
Volleys :- Safin
This comparison is more interesting on second thought than it seemed at first -- because it says something about the ATP's status, and the preponderance of "Grinders" at the top.
Safin is more like Robin Soderling than Djokovic.
Safin had Soderling's serve and forehand -- BUT with a much better backhand, and unlike either Soderling and Djokovic, Safin was good at the net.
Both Djokovic and Soderling lost GS finals to Nadal for the same reason, they pushed him all over the court, dictated play, then couldn't close out the deal because they treat the net like poison ivy. Part of that is the glacially-slow courts these days, to be fair.
By contrast, if Safin had been in those two finals, Nadal couldn't have gotten away with blocking back serves and restarting points with loopers from 15 feet behind the baseline. Safin would have put them away, IMHO.
This comparison is more interesting on second thought than it seemed at first -- because it says something about the ATP's status, and the preponderance of "Grinders" at the top.
Safin is more like Robin Soderling than Djokovic.
Safin had Soderling's serve and forehand -- BUT with a much better backhand, and unlike either Soderling and Djokovic, Safin was good at the net.
Both Djokovic and Soderling lost GS finals to Nadal for the same reason, they pushed him all over the court, dictated play, then couldn't close out the deal because they treat the net like poison ivy. Part of that is the glacially-slow courts these days, to be fair.
By contrast, if Safin had been in those two finals, Nadal couldn't have gotten away with blocking back serves and restarting points with loopers from 15 feet behind the baseline. Safin would have put them away, IMHO.
I mean the level of play of Djokovic in 2011 AO vs that of Safin in 2005 AO.
Serve:- Safin
Return :- Djokovic
Forehand:- Djokovic
Backhand:- Safin
Court Coverage:- Djokovic
Volleys :- Safin
He was pretty good indoor too. Of course Djoko is the better of the 2, no contest.Have to go with djokovic.
He's going to have the better career and is going to be better on more surfaces. Safin's best surface looks to have been the AO and if you look at all his stats. at the USO, they are pretty underwhelming.Nice victory in 2000 though.
He isnt. Nadal is the favorite to win any slam he enters these days outside maybe the U.S Open. Federer even in the twilight of his career still has generous odds to win slams due to his deluded and large fan base.
Only due to Nadal's injury. Otherwise Federer's last non hard court slam would have been in 2007.
Safin is more like Robin Soderling than Djokovic.
Safin had Soderling's serve and forehand -- BUT with a much better backhand, and unlike either Soderling and Djokovic, Safin was good at the net.
Both Djokovic and Soderling lost GS finals to Nadal for the same reason, they pushed him all over the court, dictated play, then couldn't close out the deal because they treat the net like poison ivy. Part of that is the glacially-slow courts these days, to be fair.
By contrast, if Safin had been in those two finals, Nadal couldn't have gotten away with blocking back serves and restarting points with loopers from 15 feet behind the baseline. Safin would have put them away, IMHO.
All I know is that Djokovic is having a much better career than Safin. How long has he been in the top 3 already? He is more consistent at the highest level (despite his inconsistencies, more consistent than Safin and with better results).
Prime Safin would beat anyone now on hardcourts, including Djokovic. He had too much weapons and no weaknesses. But Djokovic due to his consistency has a better career so far, and on his average day I believe would beat average Safin. On his bad day Marat could lose to anyone, but by the way he could also break racket-breaking records. I remember one year he broke about 40 of them in total - that would just be mad in today's good boy's era. He would be favourite in a GRBOAT (racket breaker) debate![]()
Yep, Safin really showed it during his career, his dominance on the HC slams to get a grand total of... huh, 2, mugs like Djokovic or Nadal wouldn't stand a chance![]()
mugs like Djokovic or Nadal wouldn't stand a chance![]()
Apparently you don't know tennis. And the poster above you didn't say Safin dominated the tour at any given time. If you believe Djokovic or Nadal would beat Safin on a hard court if they were both in form then I question whether you have actually watched any Safin matches on hard courts. probably some Nadal lover who hasn't watched any player outside of Nadal. Given your posts, that's what you sound like.
From a matchup perspective, Djokovic wouldn't stand a chance. He can't hurt Safin from the baseline, they both take the ball early on the rise however Safin when focused can simply hit through you and be very consistent at the same time. Djokovic would score some wins if Safin turned up with the mentality he showed frequently throughout his career but he couldn't even take a set off Safin on grass! Please explain to me how Djokovic would go about winning three sets off Safin on a hardcourt. Nadal would get blown off the court if both are at their best. Even guys like Nalbandian, JMDP, and heck Murray can trouble/beat/humiliate Nadal on hard courts. Safin would do a demolition job. Again, I don't see Safin beating Nadal and Djokovic 10/10 times on hard or indoor. However I do believe if both players stepped on the court and play to their best ability. Safin wins hands down.
Nah, you're right. Djokovic and Nadal would caine Safin. Just like prime Federer did and Sampras did, right?
Apparently you don't know tennis. And the poster above you didn't say Safin dominated the tour at any given time. If you believe Djokovic or Nadal would beat Safin on a hard court if they were both in form then I question whether you have actually watched any Safin matches on hard courts. probably some Nadal lover who hasn't watched any player outside of Nadal. Given your posts, that's what you sound like.
From a matchup perspective, Djokovic wouldn't stand a chance. He can't hurt Safin from the baseline, they both take the ball early on the rise however Safin when focused can simply hit through you and be very consistent at the same time. Djokovic would score some wins if Safin turned up with the mentality he showed frequently throughout his career but he couldn't even take a set off Safin on grass! Please explain to me how Djokovic would go about winning three sets off Safin on a hardcourt. Nadal would get blown off the court if both are at their best. Even guys like Nalbandian, JMDP, and heck Murray can trouble/beat/humiliate Nadal on hard courts. Safin would do a demolition job. Again, I don't see Safin beating Nadal and Djokovic 10/10 times on hard or indoor. However I do believe if both players stepped on the court and play to their best ability. Safin wins hands down.
Nah, you're right. Djokovic and Nadal would caine Safin. Just like prime Federer did and Sampras did, right?
Yes, prime Federer did, that's why he has 9 slams on HC and Safin has 2
LMAO, am I going to have to birng up Safin's losses to mugs on HC, really? I don't care about your hypoteticals, I deal with facts. and the facts are that Nadal is equal or better on HC than Safin as their results indicate, as is Djokovic, and both haven't finished their careers yet.
Safin was like an italian sports car, incredible for short periods but will overheat and self destruct before long. Djokovic is a porsche, very good all of the time.
Gentleman, Marat finished in the top 10 a mere 3 times! For the last 4 years he was an also ran, diminished by lack of preparation and dedication.
The results also indicate that Federer destroys Nadal on all surfaces, except clay (so far), correct?
We can't compare until their careers are over. Too bad for you Nadal's career isn't over :twisted: Nadal rapes Safin everywhere except on HC when they would be about even.
Safin was like an italian sports car, incredible for short periods but will overheat and self destruct before long. Djokovic is a porsche, very good all of the time.
Its not useless. Its NOT.This whole thread is yet another example of how utterly useless the eye test is