Djokovic wasn't surprised at how easy it was to beat Nadal.

Mike Sams

Legend
Here is the head-to-head:

Rafael Nadal 25-28 Novak Djokovic
2006 French Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
2007 Indian Wells F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 7-5)

2007 Miami QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2007 Rome QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 6-3)
2007 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 6-1, 4-1 ret.)

2007 Montreal SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-3)
2007 Masters Cup RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4)
2008 Indian Wells SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-2)
2008 Hamburg SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 2-6, 6-2)
2008 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
2008 Queen's Club F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 7-5)

2008 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 7-5)
2008 Beijing Olympics SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 1-6, 6-4)
2009 Davis Cup 1R: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
2009 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 2-6, 6-1)
2009 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-6, 7-6)

2009 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 6-4)
2009 Paris Indoor SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-3)
2009 World Tour Finals RR: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)

2010 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
2010 World Tour Finals RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-2)

2011 Indian Wells F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-2)
2011 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 7-6)
2011 Madrid F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-4)
2011 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2011 Wimbledon F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3)
2011 US Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-4, 6-7, 6-1)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)

2012 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 6-1)
2012 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-3)
2012 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)

2013 Monte Carlo F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 7-6)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2013 Montreal SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2013 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1)

2013 Beijing F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2013 World Tour Finals F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2014 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2014 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-3)

2014 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)
2015 Monte Carlo SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2015 French Open QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-3, 6-1)
2015 Beijing F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-2)
2015 World Tour Finals SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2016 Doha F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 6-2)
2016 Indian Wells SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-2)
2016 Rome QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 7-6)

2017 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 6-4)
2018 Rome SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-3)

2018 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 10-8)
2019 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)


Hardcourt: 19-7 to Djokovic
Clay: 16-7 to Nadal
Grass: 2-2
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 9-6 to Nadal
Most of Nadal's wins came pre-2011.
 
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What's unsettling is that every time Nadal comes up with a new weapon or a new level of aggression which makes headlines across the tennis world and has people excited and calling him the new Rafa....it all comes back to the same old pattern of play when he meets Djokovic. He can't do anything different. He goes back to the same thing he always does. Defensive clay court tennis from 10 feet behind the baseline and chasing down balls.
I said that Nadal having a faster serve will mean nothing to Djokovic, if Djokovic can deal with Federer's serve, then what exactly can Nadal do?

What hurts Djokovic is big serving with trajectory, and Nadal simply doesn't have the trajectory being shorter than Djokovic. People got upset when I said that and look what happened, Nadal gets broken five times in the final despite such a nice new shiny serve.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
And to think of it that in between Nadal had a 6-1 run against Novak. If not for that the number would look very sick for Nadal
And also 4 consecutive wins for Nadal in majors from 2012-2014. There were plenty of people in 2011 and early 2012 talking about Djokovic like they are now, some even saying that Nadal would never beat him again. Nadal responded positively then, and he needs to do the same now going forward.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
And also 4 consecutive wins for Nadal in majors from 2012-2014. There were plenty of people in 2011 and early 2012 talking about Djokovic like they are now, some even saying that Nadal would never beat him again. Nadal responded positively then, and he needs to do the same now going forward.
Except that he is 7 years older and slower whilst Djokovic has aged much better and is not as far off from his prime level as Nadal is now.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
The fact that you picked Nadal with no hesitation was odd. You of all people? You're like the smartest tennis guy in the whole world!
Why the surprise? You should at least be able to see where I was coming from. Nadal was playing very good attacking tennis with the serve during the tournament and finishing matches quickly. I thought it would give him a new dimension in the match against Djokovic. Instead, it completely backfired on Nadal. I suppose I should have been more cautious knowing that this was the Australian Open and that something with Nadal goes wrong there virtually every year, whether it's being blown away in a match, losing a close final after being a break up in the fifth set, or getting injured during a match.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I suppose I should have been more cautious knowing that this was the Australian Open and that something with Nadal goes wrong there virtually every year, whether it's being blown away in a match, losing a close final after being a break up in the fifth set, or getting injured during a match.
You really narrowed it down there.

:cool:
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Not trying to go low here and it's up to them but how long has she been waiting for him now? Has to be years and she's not getting any younger.
His DTL forehand isn't the only thing he probably needs to pull the trigger on before long tbqh. Just an observation. It seems to have helped Fed and Djok more than hurt them as well.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Why the surprise? You should at least be able to see where I was coming from. Nadal was playing very good attacking tennis with the serve during the tournament and finishing matches quickly. I thought it would give him a new dimension in the match against Djokovic. Instead, it completely backfired on Nadal. I suppose I should have been more cautious knowing that this was the Australian Open and that something with Nadal goes wrong there virtually every year, whether it's being blown away in a match, losing a close final after being a break up in the fifth set, or getting injured during a match.
It wont be worth defending Rafa on here for a while lol. Too much relief being expressed by haters
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
It wont be worth defending Rafa on here for a while lol. Too much relief being expressed by haters
I see mostly light-hearted jokes, and some serious hyping of Novak (and a couple of devastated Nadal fans that are in deep thoughts about whether Djokovic will turn up in the same form at RG with a bucket of lubricant in his car).

:cool:
 

Tennease

Hall of Fame
"Blanketed him with love "
I'm sorry but I mis-quoted Djokovic because I wrote the OP after I woke up this morning based on my rather vague memory of what I watched last night on TV.

Actually Djokovic said talking to his wife and children gave him positive energy on the court. (He didn't say he was blanketed with love). Sorry for my mistake.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
The key now is how Nadal responds. It's about how hard you get hit and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done.
I don't see much of a response to be honest. Novak is firmly in his head. I've never seen Nadal play such tentative tennis. He was scared to hit DTL or I/O.
It was sad to see a champion thrashed and dominated. Novak made Nadal look like a amateur. I was expecting Nadal to wake up and at least make it competitive. But it is clear that he didn't have it within him and doesn't have the mental strength anymore.

Recall UsOpen 2011, Nadal was getting outplayed in that match. But he still responded in set 3 and hit big. In AO2019 he just grew more and more defensive with time and more risk averse.
I would be really surprised if Nadal ever beats Djokovic again on ANY surface. These sort of matches are what end careers.

The only possibility for Nadal is if someone (maybe one of the young guns) takes out Djokovic. At this point it is Djokovic vs the Next Gen as far as the future slams are concerned.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Nadal's record off clay since the start of 2011 isn't great. He's won 2 of the 25 slams played.
To put things into perspective:
That is pretty dang great!

That's good enough to get you into the Hall of Fame.
It goes to show the level of the players we are talking about in this thread.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
I said that Nadal having a faster serve will mean nothing to Djokovic, if Djokovic can deal with Federer's serve, then what exactly can Nadal do?
Actually Nadal's serve was the only thing that saved this from having a RG2008 Final type scoreline. Had Nadal served worse, Djokovic would have maybe lost 2-3 games in the entire match.
Nadal's groundstrokes were so poor it seemed like a #1 vs #100. Every single shot of Nadal was significantly worse than Djokovic's. He couldn't get the Serb on the run at all.
He hardly had winners off the ground. It was the serve winners etc, which won Nadal points.
 

Tennease

Hall of Fame
I've posted the original video of the interview in the 1st post.

Sorry if I misquoted some of Djokovic's words but I just wrote what I remembered after a good night sleep lol.
 

Pantera

Banned
Full interview by Djokovic he goes onto say Nadal was only 2 months post surgery so he knew he would not at his best if he could disrupt his rhythm. Nadal was anxious as he knew he had not yet the preparation time to face the best. Playing the no.14 in his first semi final is a million miles away from playing the 6 time champion at his best.
 

Pantera

Banned
What arrogance to say he is not surprised to beat Nadal easily .

Nadal is wounded and just recovering .
Well I hope Nadal posts that on his bedroom door. Whenever Rafa is insulted he tends to make players suffer. However I think Djokovic did also say Nadal is two months post surgery so he knew he would not be at his best.
 

Tennease

Hall of Fame
Nadal was always mentally strong when time was on his side. Other way around now.
I noticed Nadal added a new routine before his serve: looking at the serve clock right before he hits the ball. I think this affects his serve a lot.
 

Pantera

Banned
I noticed Nadal added a new routine before his serve: looking at the serve clock right before he hits the ball. I think this affects his serve a lot.
Nadal has made the final half fit with no warm up event or training at his worse event...I’d argue the shot clock has helped him..
 

Pantera

Banned
I don't see much of a response to be honest. Novak is firmly in his head. I've never seen Nadal play such tentative tennis. He was scared to hit DTL or I/O.
It was sad to see a champion thrashed and dominated. Novak made Nadal look like a amateur. I was expecting Nadal to wake up and at least make it competitive. But it is clear that he didn't have it within him and doesn't have the mental strength anymore.

Recall UsOpen 2011, Nadal was getting outplayed in that match. But he still responded in set 3 and hit big. In AO2019 he just grew more and more defensive with time and more risk averse.
I would be really surprised if Nadal ever beats Djokovic again on ANY surface. These sort of matches are what end careers.

The only possibility for Nadal is if someone (maybe one of the young guns) takes out Djokovic. At this point it is Djokovic vs the Next Gen as far as the future slams are concerned.
Nadal is two months post op. Djokovic took 5 months after his op to be even competitive. Nadal is playing well to beat most but nowhere near ready to play the best, Federer at the moment would also beat him. As Nadal said he needs time. People forget he had no professional matches since September . He did great making the final although it also shows how utterly woeful the men’s tour is at the moment. Murray finished, Federer past his best, wawrinka nowhere near fit delpotro out, had Nadal faced any of them at their best he would have got the same schooling as today so I wouldn’t read too much into the score line.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
He also said that chatting to his wife and kids back home before the match gave him a sense of serenity, calmed him down and gave him a lot of positive energy on the court. He said he was feeling very calm before the match in contrast to Nadal who was super intense before the match.
All bull

He saw the Sureish chinksh thread and new he wood win easypeasy.

Must have scene it be4 the mash again and it gave him serenaty.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I noticed Nadal added a new routine before his serve: looking at the serve clock right before he hits the ball. I think this affects his serve a lot.
Acco the to commentator, he would let it time down to zero and then serve right on zero !!

I think even one more player (can't remember, Cilic ?) would keep bouncing and checking the clock).
 

reaper

Legend
To put things into perspective:
That is pretty dang great!

That's good enough to get you into the Hall of Fame.
It goes to show the level of the players we are talking about in this thread.
Yes, I'm really just saying that relative to his reputation his record off clay isn't great, not that he's no good. While he's only won 2 of the last 25 slams off clay, he narrowly missed winning AO 2012, AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2018 so the actual record is probably a bit unkind to him.
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
Yes, I'm really just saying that relative to his reputation his record off clay isn't great, not that he's no good. While he's only won 2 of the last 25 slams off clay, he narrowly missed winning AO 2012, AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2018 so the actual record is probably a bit unkind to him.
just remember,clay points are what give him the ranking to get the soft draws in the non clay majors
 

NLBwell

Legend
Nadal lost today for the usual reason he loses.
His groundstrokes were too spinny and short. He had a lot of problems hitting the ball much beyond the service line. When he tried to hit deeper, he hit higher to do it, which gave Djokovic plenty of time to return the ball. Djokovic consistently hit the ball back deep, even if pressured by Nadal, and flatter, taking away time and pressuring Nadal.
Djokovic was playing a measure of old-time tennis where a high ball, especially if short, just gives you more margin for error to hit bigger and flatter. It takes the net out of the equation. His western grip forehand and two handed backhand are not affected very much by the bounce of Nadal's topspin shots on the AO surface.

Nadal's return of serve positioning gave Djokovic plenty of time to line up his shots and keep on the offensive in the point. Nadal rarely won points on Djokovic's serve.
Nadal won some points off weaker Djokovic returns from his serve and also from hitting short crosscourt, pulling Djokovic off the court then hitting harder and deeper to the opposite side. However, it wasn't enough for him to win his serve consistently enough.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Rafas box looked devastated already in the 2nd set. Moya was shown on the screen hitting stuff around him, Nadals dad had that look like "f this ****", Xisca looked heartbroken. I mean even Nadal looked like he was beaten once Djokovic started goating from the first point. I've yet to see such scenes from Nadals box that early.
I said yesterday: As long as Novak is reasonably CLOSE to Rafa's current level of play (ie he's not injured/in a huge slump) it doesn't matter that Rafa looks unbeatable and Djoker looks not quite dialed in. Djoker shows up to Rafa matches with a completely different mindset. It is the most focused you will ever see him. He plays significantly more aggressive. He just takes his game to a whole different level.

In short: its like he finds a time machine before the Rafa matches and out walks 2011 Djokovic.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
I still don't really understand exactly what it was Djokovic did that made Nadal look so ordinary today. Ok - was playing up a bit, but no more than other people have done. Fed usually at least starts playing Nadal from the same position. Nadal looked slow and constantly surprised - which is unusual considering how often these two have played.

I know Djokovic doesn't miss - but I don't see how that makes Nadal look as bad as he did today.

(caveat - I wasn't home for the match. Just watched a 20 min highlight..)
Aggression + Accuracy + shots that are winners for Rafa against ANYONE else come back and drop near the baseline.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
In short: Nadal is not a family man, and it shows.

:cool:
Nadal is probably more of a family man than any of the other top guys in that he has very deep bonds with his close and extended family. I'm sure when he has kids it will be the same.

Besides, the best way to see if someone is not a family man himself is to see if they use some other man's family to get through to them. That's so unclassy...
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
The key now is how Nadal responds. It's about how hard you get hit and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done.
Well he bounced back from Doha 2016 and the heartbreaker that was Wimbledon 2018 just fine, so I think barring injury he'll bounce back.
 

tennisfan2015

Hall of Fame
Here is the head-to-head:

Rafael Nadal 25-28 Novak Djokovic
2006 French Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
2007 Indian Wells F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 7-5)

2007 Miami QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2007 Rome QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 6-3)
2007 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 6-1, 4-1 ret.)

2007 Montreal SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-3)
2007 Masters Cup RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4)
2008 Indian Wells SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-2)
2008 Hamburg SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 2-6, 6-2)
2008 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
2008 Queen's Club F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 7-5)

2008 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 7-5)
2008 Beijing Olympics SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 1-6, 6-4)
2009 Davis Cup 1R: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
2009 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 2-6, 6-1)
2009 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-6, 7-6)

2009 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 6-4)
2009 Paris Indoor SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-3)
2009 World Tour Finals RR: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)

2010 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
2010 World Tour Finals RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-2)

2011 Indian Wells F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-2)
2011 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 7-6)
2011 Madrid F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-4)
2011 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2011 Wimbledon F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3)
2011 US Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-4, 6-7, 6-1)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)

2012 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 6-1)
2012 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-3)
2012 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)

2013 Monte Carlo F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 7-6)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2013 Montreal SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2013 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1)

2013 Beijing F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2013 World Tour Finals F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2014 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2014 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-3)

2014 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)
2015 Monte Carlo SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2015 French Open QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-3, 6-1)
2015 Beijing F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-2)
2015 World Tour Finals SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2016 Doha F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 6-2)
2016 Indian Wells SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-2)
2016 Rome QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 7-6)

2017 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 6-4)
2018 Rome SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-3)

2018 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 10-8)
2019 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)


Hardcourt: 19-7 to Djokovic
Clay: 16-7 to Nadal
Grass: 2-2
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 9-6 to Nadal
 
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