Djokovic went 19-0 against seeded players in the NCYGS...

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
As a seeded player himself, the maximum number of seeds Djokovic can play in a Grand Slam is 5
This is how he did during the NCYGS :

AELTC 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
USO 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
Melb 2016 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
RG 2016 : Played and beat 4 (including the 2nd seed)

For someone to have to top that, on a seeded level :
They would have to do the CYGS/NCYGS and play and beat the 2nd seed FOUR TIMES and beat 20/20 seeds
That's the level required to go past the numbers...

1) AELTC 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 27) Tomic 6/3, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed14) Anderson 6/7, 6/7, 6/1, 6/4, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/4, 6/4, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 21) Gasquet 7/6, 6/4, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 7/6, 6/7, 6/4, 6/3

2) USO 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 25) Seppi 6/3, 7/5, 7/5
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 23) Bautista Agut 6/3, 4/6, 6/4, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 18) Lopez 6/1, 3/6, 6/3, 7/6
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/0, 6/1, 6/2
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 6/4, 5/7, 6/4, 6/4

3) MelB 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 28) Seppi 6/1, 7/5, 7/6
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Simon 6/3, 6/7, 6/4, 4/6, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Nishikori 6/3, 6/2, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 3) Federer 6/1, 6/2, 3/6, 6/3
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 6/1, 7/5, 7/6

4) RG 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Unseeded) Bedene 6/2, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Bautista Agut 3/6, 6/4, 6/1, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Berdych 6/3, 7/5, 6/3
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 13) Thiem 6/2, 6/1, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 3/6, 6/1, 6/2, 6/4

MelB 2016, where Djokovic beat seeds 28, 14, 7, 3, 2, is the only time ever at a Grand Slam
where the winner has beaten ALL FIVE allocated seeds in their respective allocated rounds
on the way to lifting the trophy...

The only unseeded player Djokovic played in an allocated seeded round, during this run,
was Alex Bedene in the third round of RG 16...

Djokovic went 28/0 ALL matches and 19/0 against seeded players

When Laver did the CYGS in 1969 he beat 16/16 seeds he could have faced :
1) Aus 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 11, 7, 4, 9, respectively

2) RG 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 3, respectively

3) AELTC 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 6, respectively

4) USO 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 16, 9, 4, 3, respectively

Laver went 26/0 ALL matches
 

JonnyMac

Hall of Fame
As a seeded player himself, the maximum number of seeds Djokovic can play in a Grand Slam is 5
This is how he did during the NCYGS :

AELTC 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
USO 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
Melb 2016 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
RG 2016 : Played and beat 4 (including the 2nd seed)

For someone to have to top that, on a seeded level :
They would have to do the CYGS/NCYGS and play and beat the 2nd seed FOUR TIMES and beat 20/20 seeds
That's the level required to go past the numbers...

1) AELTC 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 27) Tomic 6/3, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed14) Anderson 6/7, 6/7, 6/1, 6/4, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/4, 6/4, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 21) Gasquet 7/6, 6/4, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 7/6, 6/7, 6/4, 6/3

2) USO 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 25) Seppi 6/3, 7/5, 7/5
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 23) Bautista Agut 6/3, 4/6, 6/4, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 18) Lopez 6/1, 3/6, 6/3, 7/6
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/0, 6/1, 6/2
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 6/4, 5/7, 6/4, 6/4

3) MelB 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 28) Seppi 6/1, 7/5, 7/6
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Simon 6/3, 6/7, 6/4, 4/6, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Nishikori 6/3, 6/2, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 3) Federer 6/1, 6/2, 3/6, 6/3
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 6/1, 7/5, 7/6

4) RG 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Unseeded) Bedene 6/2, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Bautista Agut 3/6, 6/4, 6/1, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Berdych 6/3, 7/5, 6/3
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 13) Thiem 6/2, 6/1, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 3/6, 6/1, 6/2, 6/4

MelB 2016, where Djokovic beat seeds 28, 14, 7, 3, 2, is the only time ever at a Grand Slam
where the winner has beaten ALL FIVE allocated seeds in their respective allocated rounds
on the way to lifting the trophy...

The only unseeded player Djokovic played in an allocated seeded round, during this run,
was Alex Bedene in the third round of RG 16...

Djokovic went 28/0 ALL matches and 19/0 against seeded players

When Laver did the CYGS in 1969 he beat 16/16 seeds he could have faced :
1) Aus 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 11, 7, 4, 9, respectively

2) RG 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 3, respectively

3) AELTC 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 6, respectively

4) USO 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 16, 9, 4, 3, respectively

Laver went 26/0 ALL matches

Yeah but he's FINNISH ! LOL !
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
The numbers posted are the numbers posted
No-one else has come close to those numbers
and Federer can't even be brought into the comparison, so why waste time even mentioning him ??

Again :

For someone to have to top that, on a seeded level :
They would have to do the CYGS/NCYGS and play and beat the 2nd seed FOUR TIMES and beat 20/20 seeds
That's the level required to go past the numbers...
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Look at the RG 2016 draw .. 2016 Bendych for QF and Thiem for a major SF, Really ????
 
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tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
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PMChambers

Hall of Fame
AELTC is a horrible acronym for Wimbledon, hopefully this doesn't take on like SW19.

Yes , Djokovic did well. He faced all challengers in 4 Majors in a row and won . Unfortunately for him it was not a Grand Slam as that holds a great prestige.

Wasn't AO played in Nov or Dec in 1969. I thought it was the last Major of the year. It was played in Dec in 70s early 80s but initially I thought it was early in Nov . Which was one good reason not to play it. Cost being the biggest .
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
The Grand Slam Winning Seeded Draw/Ratios of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic :

Federer :

WON 17 Grand Slams BEAT 66 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 3.88 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Federer played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 77.65% of the time

Federer has 6 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
USO 04/AELTC 05/MelB 07/AELTC 07/AELTC 09/MelB 10

Federer won 6 Grand Slams : MelB 04/AELTC 04/MelB 06/AELTC 06/USO 06/USO 07, beating 3 seeds
Federer won AELTC 03, beating 2 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

Nadal :

WON 14 Grand Slams BEAT 57 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.07 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Nadal played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 81.43% of the time

Nadal has 3 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
RG 08/RG 10/RG 13

Nadal won 2 Grand Slams : RG 11/RG 14, beating 3 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

Djokovic :

WON 12 Grand Slams BEAT 50 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.17 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Djokovic played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 83.33% of the time

Djokovic has 5 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
MelB 11/MelB 13/AELTC 15/USO 15/MelB 16

Djokovic won 3 Grand Slams : MelB 08/AELTC 11/MelB 12, beating 3 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

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Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Of course he went whatever-0 against whoever while winning the NCGS. I'm yet to see someone win a slam while losing a match.

That's interesting. I hope we get a Slam winner soon who drops his opening round robin match but wins the rest of the remaining matches and the Grand Slam title.
 
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Deleted member 307496

Guest
As a seeded player himself, the maximum number of seeds Djokovic can play in a Grand Slam is 5
This is how he did during the NCYGS :

AELTC 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
USO 2015 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
Melb 2016 : Played and beat 5 (including the 2nd seed)
RG 2016 : Played and beat 4 (including the 2nd seed)

For someone to have to top that, on a seeded level :
They would have to do the CYGS/NCYGS and play and beat the 2nd seed FOUR TIMES and beat 20/20 seeds
That's the level required to go past the numbers...

1) AELTC 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 27) Tomic 6/3, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed14) Anderson 6/7, 6/7, 6/1, 6/4, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/4, 6/4, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 21) Gasquet 7/6, 6/4, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 7/6, 6/7, 6/4, 6/3

2) USO 2015 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 25) Seppi 6/3, 7/5, 7/5
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 23) Bautista Agut 6/3, 4/6, 6/4, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 18) Lopez 6/1, 3/6, 6/3, 7/6
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 9) Cilic 6/0, 6/1, 6/2
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Federer 6/4, 5/7, 6/4, 6/4

3) MelB 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Seed 28) Seppi 6/1, 7/5, 7/6
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Simon 6/3, 6/7, 6/4, 4/6, 6/3
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Nishikori 6/3, 6/2, 6/4
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 3) Federer 6/1, 6/2, 3/6, 6/3
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 6/1, 7/5, 7/6

4) RG 2016 -- Djokovic (Seeded 1)
Rnd 3) Djokovic Bt (Unseeded) Bedene 6/2, 6/3, 6/3
Rnd 4) Djokovic Bt (Seed 14) Bautista Agut 3/6, 6/4, 6/1, 7/5
q.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 7) Berdych 6/3, 7/5, 6/3
S.fnls) Djokovic Bt (Seed 13) Thiem 6/2, 6/1, 6/4
FINAL) Djokovic Bt (Seed 2) Murray 3/6, 6/1, 6/2, 6/4

MelB 2016, where Djokovic beat seeds 28, 14, 7, 3, 2, is the only time ever at a Grand Slam
where the winner has beaten ALL FIVE allocated seeds in their respective allocated rounds
on the way to lifting the trophy...

The only unseeded player Djokovic played in an allocated seeded round, during this run,
was Alex Bedene in the third round of RG 16...

Djokovic went 28/0 ALL matches and 19/0 against seeded players

When Laver did the CYGS in 1969 he beat 16/16 seeds he could have faced :
1) Aus 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 11, 7, 4, 9, respectively

2) RG 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 3, respectively

3) AELTC 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)

Laver Bt seeds 16, 8, 5, 6, respectively

4) USO 1969 -- Laver (Seeded 1)
Laver Bt seeds 16, 9, 4, 3, respectively

Laver went 26/0 ALL matches
Murray 1.0 and 35 year old Fed. Novak wouldn't be doing that to current Murray.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
34 year old Grandad Federer at 2 F, 1 SF, pigeon version of Murray in 2 x F, Berdych QF, Thiem SF, LOL is this supposed to be some sort of amazing list of great challengers :D
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
Fixed it for you, dimwit.

That's misrepresenting what I said and misquoting me

Shabby effort by you. Here's to spell it out for you, being as you are not too bright :

What I've clearly demonstrated, with percentages, is that Djokovic and Nadal have played a higher ratio of seeded players in the Grand Slams
when they won the title, than Federer has in the Grand Slams when he won the title

Nadal is 3 Grand Slams titles/9 seeded match wins behind Federer. Djokovic is 5 Grand Slams titles/16 seeded match wins behind Federer
Nadal and Djokovic are both an average of 3 match wins against seeded players whist winning a Grand Slam title, behind Federer

Which is the same as saying they can meet 2 unseeded players for every Grand Slam title they win, from here on in, to stay at Federer's percentages
To put it the other way round : Federer has faced more unseeded players in winning Grand Slam titles, than either Nadal or Djokovic

Federer :
WON 17 Grand Slams BEAT 66 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 3.88 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Federer played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 77.65% of the time

Nadal :
WON 14 Grand Slams BEAT 57 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.07 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Nadal played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 81.43% of the time

Djokovic :
WON 12 Grand Slams BEAT 50 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.17 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Djokovic played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 83.33% of the time
 
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Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
That's misrepresenting what I said and misquoting me

Shabby effort by you. Here's to spell it out for you, being as you are not too bright :

What I've clearly demonstrated, with percentages, is that Djokovic and Nadal have played a higher ratio of seeded players in the Grand Slams
when they won the title, than Federer has in the Grand Slams when he won the title

Nadal is 3 Grand Slams titles/9 seeded match wins behind Federer. Djokovic is 5 Grand Slams titles/16 seeded match wins behind Federer
Nadal and Djokovic are both an average of 3 match wins against seeded players whist winning a Grand Slam title, behind Federer

Which is the same as saying they can meet 2 unseeded players for every Grand Slam title they win, from here on in, to stay at Federer's percentages
To put it the other way round : Federer has faced more unseeded players in winning Grand Slam titles, than either Nadal or Djokovic
The irony in all of this is that it underlines your lazy train of thought.
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
The irony in all of this is that it underlines your lazy train of thought.

Misrepresenting and misquoting somebody else, is a distortion

Then using a generic vague one liner is a rut caused by distortion

Distortion is a rut in the mind - a lazy mind

A train of thought belongs to a mind that has intention as an ally
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
The Grand Slam Winning Seeded Draw/Ratios of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic :

Federer :

WON 17 Grand Slams BEAT 66 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 3.88 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Federer played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 77.65% of the time

Federer has 6 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
USO 04/AELTC 05/MelB 07/AELTC 07/AELTC 09/MelB 10

Federer won 6 Grand Slams : MelB 04/AELTC 04/MelB 06/AELTC 06/USO 06/USO 07, beating 3 seeds
Federer won AELTC 03, beating 2 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

Nadal :

WON 14 Grand Slams BEAT 57 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.07 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Nadal played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 81.43% of the time

Nadal has 3 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
RG 08/RG 10/RG 13

Nadal won 2 Grand Slams : RG 11/RG 14, beating 3 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

Djokovic :

WON 12 Grand Slams BEAT 50 seeds in the process
mean meridian average of playing 4.17 seeds per slam (out of a maximum 5)
Djokovic played seeds in allocated seeding rounds 83.33% of the time

Djokovic has 5 times beaten 5 seeds on the way to winning a slam :
MelB 11/MelB 13/AELTC 15/USO 15/MelB 16

Djokovic won 3 Grand Slams : MelB 08/AELTC 11/MelB 12, beating 3 seeds
All the other slam wins beat 4 seeds

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Is the difference between 3.88 and 4.07 and 4.17 statistically significant?

Also, something to look at: seeds in the 4th round and QF round are more meaningfully challenging. 3rd round seeds...could be but they're not going to make much of a difference for these guys, a player who faces his QF seed the ,let often or slotted SF seed has a tough go of it.
 

joekapa

Legend
Weird thread. Let's compare the greatest single calendar-year season ever against two good years from another all-time-great? :confused:

Federer's 2006-07 seasons were better than Djokovic's 2015-16 seasons.
Bulldust and you know it. Djokovic completed a NCYGS during this time.
 

joekapa

Legend
Great thread. Shows the difference in the quality of players that Djoko, and to a lesser extent Nadal had to beat in order to win their GS.

It would be interesting if we had a statistic for the first 12 slams Fed won.
 

joekapa

Legend
Yeah in the weakest era ever.
Weak period, which Federer cannot win one slam. How so ? Age ? Injuries ? Since 2012 ? Not even one ?

Andy Murray is the only player of quality that Federer has been able to beat in slams. Federer fans should be lighting a candle to his name, as he is the only player that gives Federer's career ANY credibility.
 

Urkezi

Semi-Pro
Weak period, which Federer cannot win one slam. How so ? Age ? Injuries ? Since 2012 ? Not even one ?

Andy Murray is the only player of quality that Federer has been able to beat in slams. Federer fans should be lighting a candle to his name, as he is the only player that gives Federer's career ANY credibility.

I think that the impeding loss of Hitman from this forum really hurt you - mentally, that is. You seek out his advice on almost every insignificant event/dilemma here, so please make a following query just to him: "Am I, Joekapa, being a complete idiot in this thread?"
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Weak period, which Federer cannot win one slam. How so ? Age ? Injuries ? Since 2012 ? Not even one ?

Andy Murray is the only player of quality that Federer has been able to beat in slams. Federer fans should be lighting a candle to his name, as he is the only player that gives Federer's career ANY credibility.
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joekapa

Legend
Bwahahahahahaha !!!!!!!! We are talking about tennis powerhouses right here gentlemen. Add Philippousis, Rodick, Bagdhatis to this mix as well please. May I remind you guys that even Roddick (the greatest sense of humor to ever grace the tennis courts), has said that he "is the worst number 1 ever".

As I said, you guy's should light a candle to Andy Murray's early inexperience for the slams he let go to Federer.
 

joekapa

Legend
Bwahahahahahaha !!!!!!!! We are talking about tennis powerhouses right here gentlemen. Add Philippousis, Rodick, Bagdhatis to this mix as well please. May I remind you guys that even Roddick (the greatest sense of humor to ever grace the tennis courts), has said that he "is the worst number 1 ever".

As I said, you guy's should light a candle to Andy Murray's early inexperience for the slams he let go to Federer.
 
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Deleted member 307496

Guest
Bwahahahahahaha !!!!!!!! We are talking about tennis powerhouses right here gentlemen. Add Philippousis, Rodick, Bagdhatis to this mix as well please. May I remind you guys that even Roddick (the greatest sense of humor to ever grace the tennis courts), has said that he "is the worst number 1 ever".

As I said, you guy's should light a candle to Andy Murray's early inexperience for the slams he let go to Federer.
Hewitt is a different class of player than Roddick, same deal with Safin. Don't insult them by comparing them to guys like Scud or even Tsonga (LOL).

Just admit Novak took advantage of the weakest era ever. It will do you good.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Weak period, which Federer cannot win one slam. How so ? Age ? Injuries ? Since 2012 ? Not even one ?

Andy Murray is the only player of quality that Federer has been able to beat in slams. Federer fans should be lighting a candle to his name, as he is the only player that gives Federer's career ANY credibility.

Last time I checked Federer beat Nadal and Djokovic 8 times in Slams. Also apart from 1 win against monoFed in 2008 Djokovic didn't start beating Federer until he was almost 30 year old. 9 out of 15 times they played in the Slams were in 2011-2016. It' a joke, jokeapa.
 

joekapa

Legend
Hewitt is a different class of player than Roddick, same deal with Safin. Don't insult them by comparing them to guys like Scud or even Tsonga (LOL).

Just admit Novak took advantage of the weakest era ever. It will do you good.
Statistics say other things my man.

The "weak era" theory has been a a monkey on Federer's back for years. Nadal. Djokovic, and Murray have been part of a "golden generation". The only people saying that this is a weak era are Federer fanboys like you.

And stop using Nadal's career as if to say he belonged to Federer's era. he didn't. Age wise he is in the Djoko, Murray era. He was simply the first one of the three to take Federer to school. Djokovic followed suit. As I said, thank your lucky stars for Murray. Without him, Federer's career would have lost all credibility.
 

joekapa

Legend
As I said earlier, it would be interesting to see the above statistics for Federer's first 12 slam titles. That would have to hurt.
 
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