Djokovic Will be Studied in Textbooks in the Future

Djokovic is

  • Exciting to watch

    Votes: 58 60.4%

  • Not exciting to watch

    Votes: 38 39.6%
  • Total voters
    96
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As a Federer and Nadal fan, I will always remain grateful that I got to watch these two play as I grew up. I don’t remember the last time we had the buzz, anticipation, the importance and the general interest leading up to tournaments like Wimbledon 2008 and the Australian Open 2009. We may never experience this again.

My personal feelings towards Djokovic is he must be respected. The numbers say it all and there is very little that can be said against them. I just enjoy tennis played by the likes of Federer and Nadal because they are exciting to watch (for me*). Thiem is another player I find enjoyable to watch but I think his style may be too physically demanding.

Whilst I personally don’t find Djokovic’s style that exciting, this what people will study and try to emulate. His game, from a science point of view, is the best we have ever seen due to efficiency. If there was some sort of measurement which matched minimum effort for maximum gain - I’m sure Djokovic’s strokes, footwork and energy transfer would rank number 1 by some margin.

His game is the perfect way to minimise injury and I’m sure this will be studied in great detail by sports scientists and then coaches introduce it to their students.
 
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Its like mourinho in football, not caring for the show, just the result
 
Mentally there are things to learn there from him if we unlock his mind which is more impressive than his game. How does he come with the goods all the time when he has to deliver?
 
Didn't he have a really bad elbow injury?

Also, no one must be respected. We should of course respect him because he is a human being, but we are not obliged to respect him a tennis player. His pushing at times is rather gross.
 
Tennfan123 said:
Didn't he have a really bad elbow injury?

Also, no one must be respected. We should of course respect him because he is a human being, but we are not obliged to respect him a tennis player. His pushing at times is rather gross.
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This. Plus it's hard to respect someone who endlessly tries to break rules, has angry outbursts, believes in complete pseudoscience BS, etc
 
REKX said:

Djokovic Will be Studied in Textbooks in the Future​

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I suspect so too

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initialize said:
This. Plus it's hard to respect someone who endlessly tries to break rules, has angry outbursts, believes in complete pseudoscience BS, etc
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Agreed. I respect him on a very basic level. If I met him, I'd be respectful as I would anyone. But I also dislike his behavior at times and really condone his lies about his covid infection.
 
A textbook is a very apt word for this one.

As we have seen, history is written by the winners. And the re-writing and re-framing of Novak’s career is getting incredibly creative.
 
REKX said:
As a Federer and Nadal fan, I will always remain grateful that I got to watch these two play as I grew up. I don’t remember the last time we had the buzz, anticipation, the importance and the general interest leading up to tournaments like Wimbledon 2008 and the Australian Open 2009. We may never experience this again.

My personal feelings towards Djokovic is he must be respected. The numbers say it all and there is very little that can be said against them. I just enjoy tennis played by the likes of Federer and Nadal because they are exciting to watch (for me*). Thiem is another player I find enjoyable to watch but I think his style may be too physically demanding.

Whilst I personally don’t find Djokovic’s style that exciting, this what people will study and try to emulate. His game, from a science point of view, is the best we have ever seen due to efficiency. If there was some sort of measurement which matched minimum effort for maximum gain - I’m sure Djokovic’s strokes, footwork and energy transfer would rank number 1 by some margin.

His game is the perfect way to minimise injury and I’m sure this will be studied in great detail by sports scientists and then coaches introduce it to their students.
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I don’t think he’s any more efficient than borg or Lendl. His game is mainly suited for slow hard courts. He’s winning a lot on clay and grass because of lack of clay court and grass court specialists and the grass courts playing like slow hard courts and the level of overall competition being the worst in the open era. In the 90s he would have won maybe 1-2 Wimbledons at the most.
 
arvind13 said:
I don’t think he’s any more efficient than borg or Lendl. His game is mainly suited for slow hard courts. He’s winning a lot on clay and grass because of lack of clay court and grass court specialists and the grass courts playing like slow hard courts and the level of overall competition being the worst in the open era. In the 90s he would have won maybe 1-2 Wimbledons at the most.
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Djokovic is having more success in Majors tournaments on natural surfaces in his 30s than in his prime.
What does that tell you?
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Nobody cares about excitement, if you want excitement then watch a movie.
This is a sports, this is war, here winning is a battle of attrition and when you win that is the excitement.
 
daggerman said:
I've always felt that you need to be a reasonably skilled tennis player (even if only at a recreational level) to truly appreciate Djokovic's tennis
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I’ve found that most advanced players and all coaches love watching Djokovic play in person as they can understand better the nuances of his baseline game, quick transitions between offense/defense and the difficulty level of hitting on the rise and changing angles often. He still robs time away from his opponent like no one else apart from a younger Federer. His technique is also pretty textbook except for the Djokosmash.

I still don’t understand how some people consider him a defensive player who waits for errors - I can only conclude they don’t play/understand tennis and have never seen him play live in person.
 
socallefty said:
I’ve found that most advanced players and all coaches love watching Djokovic play in person as they can understand better the nuances of his baseline game, quick transitions between offense/defense and the difficulty level of hitting on the rise and changing angles often. He still robs time away from his opponent like no one else apart from a younger Federer. His technique is also pretty textbook except for the Djokosmash.

I still don’t understand how some people consider him a defensive player who waits for errors - I can only conclude they don’t play/understand tennis and have never seen him play live in person.
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I don't think anyone argues that he doesn't have phenomenal technique or that what he does isn't very difficult. Yes, he robs his opponents of time, and no, he isn't a particularly defensive player. If they do believe he is a "pusher" of some sort, they are are very wrong. He just lacks the obvious flair of a Federer or Nadal, the unique standout elements of their game that differentiate them from the rest of the tour in an obvious and thrilling way. I think even advanced players (I am a decent 4.0 player myself, although I wouldn't call myself advanced.) can appreciate unique strokes and flair.
 
President said:
I don't think anyone argues that he doesn't have phenomenal technique or that what he does isn't very difficult. Yes, he robs his opponents of time, and no, he isn't a particularly defensive player. If they do believe he is a "pusher" of some sort, they are are very wrong. He just lacks the obvious flair of a Federer or Nadal, the unique standout elements of their game that differentiate them from the rest of the tour in an obvious and thrilling way. I think even advanced players (I am a decent 4.0 player myself, although I wouldn't call myself advanced.) can appreciate unique strokes and flair.
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“Flair”, ”Elegance”, “Beauty”, all consolation prizes when they can’t be the GOAT.
 
Why the heck is that voting results are always so different from comments in the comment section? Who is responsible for this anomaly?! :-D It's almost as if people had split personality disorder on these forums or something...:laughing:
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Why the heck is that voting results are always so different from comments in the comment section? Who is responsible for this anomaly?! :-D It's almost as if people had split personality disorder on these forums or something...:laughing:
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People have multiple accounts. Not me.
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
And how does one cancels another, exactly?...the question of the topic is whether Novak is exciting to watch...what does - Who is bigger vulture got to do with it?...desperate much? :-D
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You asked about 32 people who voted vs comments. I replied with another vote result. Simples

Everyone knows it is vulture fest dude. Stop living in denial. He's not had a credible younger opponent all his career.
 
tex123 said:
You asked about 32 people who voted vs comments. I replied with another vote result. Simples

Everyone knows it is vulture fest dude. Stop living in denial. He's not had a credible younger opponent all his career.
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Alcaraz is GOAT-tier until he loses to Djokovic.
 
daggerman said:
I've always felt that you need to be a reasonably skilled tennis player (even if only at a recreational level) to truly appreciate Djokovic's tennis
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DING DING DING

This is why all the casuals and 2.5 NTRP players gravitate towards Federer. They don’t know what actually is the measure of greatness.

I play 4.5-5-0. And I know for a fact that teaching pro’s don’t teach buggy whip forehands, they don’t teach one handers, and they don’t teach “elegance”. They teach from the Djokovic handbook, because anybody that knows tennis knows he has the perfect playstyle.
 
REKX said:
Djokovic Will be Studied in Textbooks in the Future
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Rafa is already being studied in a textbook for students. The textbook is titled "Representation" and meant for students who take cultural and media studies courses.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1457385053672071169


www.artdoc.photo

Artdoc Magazine - Representation, Stuart Hall

Representation - Stuart Hall, Since 1997 Representation has been the key go-to textbook for students learning the tools to question and critically analyze institutional and media texts and images. In the 2nd edition an update and refreshes the approach to theories of representation by...
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socallefty said:
I’ve found that most advanced players and all coaches love watching Djokovic play in person as they can understand better the nuances of his baseline game, quick transitions between offense/defense and the difficulty level of hitting on the rise and changing angles often. He still robs time away from his opponent like no one else apart from a younger Federer. His technique is also pretty textbook except for the Djokosmash.

I still don’t understand how some people consider him a defensive player who waits for errors - I can only conclude they don’t play/understand tennis and have never seen him play live in person.
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there is a big difference between what you read at TTW and what actual pros/coaches/former players say about both this era and Djokovic. That's because many posters here are just having fun and trolling and also because they don't really know much about tennis. That's why you read nonsense like "career inflation era" or that Novak 'vultured' his titles. Actual experts know how good both the era and Novak have been.
 
GabeT said:
there is a big difference between what you read at TTW and what actual pros/coaches/former players say about both this era and Djokovic. That's because many posters here are just having fun and trolling and also because they don't really know much about tennis. That's why you read nonsense like "career inflation era" or that Novak 'vultured' his titles. Actual experts know how good both the era and Novak have been.
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Yep. But then ask yourself if they can't talk about career inflation era and vulturing, what else can they talk about? :)

But yes, fully agree in the part in bold, the actual experts - which is none of us here on TTW of which includes myself - paint a totally different picture.
 
Hitman said:
Yep. But then ask yourself if they can't talk about career inflation era and vulturing, what else can they talk about? :)

But yes, fully agree in the part in bold, the actual experts, which is none of us here on TTW which includes myself, paint a totally different picture.
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I need to find it again but I recall an interview with Nadal right before Wimby 18. He was asked if Novak could return back to his full form. And Nadal (IIRC) said that Novak was already back. It struck me at the time because it was counter to so much I was reading at TTW. of course, Nadal was right. And the difference is that he is really knows not just how to play the sport but how to analyze players.
 
daggerman said:
I've always felt that you need to be a reasonably skilled tennis player (even if only at a recreational level) to truly appreciate Djokovic's tennis
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Are you saying pro players who don't appreciate Djok tennis don't know anything?

Djok tennis is boring. And I'm reasonably skilled.
 
GabeT said:
there is a big difference between what you read at TTW and what actual pros/coaches/former players say about both this era and Djokovic. That's because many posters here are just having fun and trolling and also because they don't really know much about tennis. That's why you read nonsense like "career inflation era" or that Novak 'vultured' his titles. Actual experts know how good both the era and Novak have been.
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Don't be sure. Both my coaches say the same. And they've played at national level.
 
GabeT said:
I need to find it again but I recall an interview with Nadal right before Wimby 18. He was asked if Novak could return back to his full form. And Nadal (IIRC) said that Novak was already back. It struck me at the time because it was counter to so much I was reading at TTW. of course, Nadal was right. And the difference is that he is really knows not just how to play the sport but how to analyze players.
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Well, yes. I mean who knows better, those guys that are actually playing, competing, and living it, or us guys who are primarily biased by our fanboyism. Lets face it, the majority of what gets said here is to tear down the rivals of the player you wish was winning. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Sampras, Agassi etc have forgotten more about tennis than any one of us will ever know.
 
GabeT said:
www.sportskeeda.com

"Starting to think Novak Djokovic is the best 1st server the sport has ever seen" - Andy Murray's former coach

Andy Murray's former coach Mark Petchey recently shared his admiration for Novak Djokovic's stellar first serve. Djokovic is currently competing at the 2023 Wimbledon Championships.
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com
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His serve is a thing of beauty. Not only effective but his motion is so fluid and effortless. It hardly looks like he is taking a crack at it. Amazing how good it is. I can watch him serve all day.
 
RF-18 said:
His serve is a thing of beauty. Not only effective but his motion is so fluid and effortless. It hardly looks like he is taking a crack at it. Amazing how good it is. I can watch him serve all day.
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It's how he keeps finding the spots that impresses me the most.
 
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