Hitman
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It is in my opinion. He has been on point when needed.
Djokovic Will be Studied in Textbooks in the Future
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It is in my opinion. He has been on point when needed.
TearTheRoofOff
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Totally ridiculous!
But he did have Federer, Nadal and Murray to deal with throughout his career. He had the same competition as Rafa and Murray who are his age. Roger may be 5-6 years older than Nadal, Novak and Murray but his game style and stamina enabled him to be their equal until 2019 as he totally dominated Rafa since the 17 AO, off clay.
Tennfan123
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Thank you!
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
This thread is pretty hilarious with some YouTube tier commentary. “Real 4.5s know that Djokovic is the best” falls in the same tier of 12 year old cringe as comments like “Beyoncé doesn’t even play guitar, real musicians listen to Fallout Boy”.
Multiple things can be true at once. There is no doubt that Djokovic is a great champion and that there is plenty to learn from him - technically, tactically, his focus on flexibility, his dedication to continuous improvement, his dedication to fitness and nutrition. He will certainly be studied by tennis players of the present and future, and so will Fedal.
Its also true that the younger generations suck and have inflated big 3 career totals to comical, historical narrative distorting levels.
It’s also perfectly fine if some fans don’t appreciate a player’s style or personality. Sports are ultimately an entertainment product.
None of these ideas negate each other.
For what little it’s worth, I personally know many North American pros, former pros, coaches, their families, etc and a few from elsewhere. As you’d expect, some prefer Djokovic and some prefer one of the other two. All of them have deep respect for all three. Not a fan of appeals to authority though
Multiple things can be true at once. There is no doubt that Djokovic is a great champion and that there is plenty to learn from him - technically, tactically, his focus on flexibility, his dedication to continuous improvement, his dedication to fitness and nutrition. He will certainly be studied by tennis players of the present and future, and so will Fedal.
Its also true that the younger generations suck and have inflated big 3 career totals to comical, historical narrative distorting levels.
It’s also perfectly fine if some fans don’t appreciate a player’s style or personality. Sports are ultimately an entertainment product.
None of these ideas negate each other.
For what little it’s worth, I personally know many North American pros, former pros, coaches, their families, etc and a few from elsewhere. As you’d expect, some prefer Djokovic and some prefer one of the other two. All of them have deep respect for all three. Not a fan of appeals to authority though
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RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
This is the book where he outright states that he doesn’t have celiac disease, but rather the vague and undefined “non celiac gluten intolerance”, diagnosed by touching bread.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
People often cite that Djoker doesn't owe anyone an explanation for his surge in performance, which I guess is true, but he still rather went out of his way to do so, huh.
Nadal came in at Fed's peak. Fed had to contend with a younger Nadal.
Nadal had to contend with a peak Fed, younger Djok and younger Murray.
Djok had just an older Fed and older Nadal. No young blood to challenge him. Pure vulturing in Nad and Fed's absence.
Clay lover
Legend
You think TWers are capable of 2D thinking?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
the above is true
but the above here is simply an opinion
debate here would improve if we didn’t constantly confuse our personal views with facts
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Of course its my opinion, but I’ve defended that opinion on here in countless words and posts over the years, I’m not going to relitigate my view every time I post it
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I’m not denying that. I’m simply saying that here we tend to mix facts that all posters can agree on (such as that the Big 3 have won a lot of slams) with personal opinions (weak era and so forth). Analytically these are not the same
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
There are posters here who will disagree with the other two statements I made too. I agree that the one you highlighted is more debatable or controversial and considered qualifying it as such. The important part of that post is that even if someone is a believer in the “career inflation era hypothesis”, or if they don’t like Djokovic personally or style wise, it doesn’t mean they don’t understand or appreciate that he’s a great player and athletic role model.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
A lot of the ”weak era” arguments read as of they are, in effect, denying that Novak is one of the greatest tennis players. Which is why these debates are seen by many as another form of trolling.
dannyslicer
Semi-Pro
There is no such thing as textbooks in the present
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
A lot of the language gets hyperbolic as as a response to the hyperbolic Federer weak era stuff that dominated the internet for many years.
My position on the big 3 is that peak for peak and prime for prime there’s not a significant amount of daylight between them. However, I am a proponent of the career inflation era hypothesis and I don’t think the big 3 are 1.5+ times greater than Sampras or 2+ times greater than Borg and I don’t think Djokovic racking up titles against later generations changes his relative greatness vis a vis the other two that significantly.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I agree. my only ’caveat’ is that if we are comparing with players like Borg or Sampras we need to take into account that back then it wasn’t common to continue playing for so many years. And that the slam race as we understand it today didn’t exist
a10best
Legend
The positives in a tennis textbook are improvements to
- his serve
- volley and
- forehand.
*** Very admirable
textbooks about behavior: psychology, mental disorders, egocentric.
*** Not so admirable.
- argues with umpires
- argues with fans constantly in a adversarial manner
- screams at ballboy
- yanked towels away from ballgirl in anger & rage
- used to break rackets more than Benoit Paire or like he takes a leak (often)
- MTO's when losing badly. (display of one's true character)
- would rather retire than give his opponent the full win (Roddick, Roger, Rafa, Stan, Monfis)
- unilaterally decides he doesn't need to follow ATP rules for travel safety during pandemic (character flaw) and throws a party hugging people.
- his serve
- volley and
- forehand.
*** Very admirable
textbooks about behavior: psychology, mental disorders, egocentric.
*** Not so admirable.
- argues with umpires
- argues with fans constantly in a adversarial manner
- screams at ballboy
- yanked towels away from ballgirl in anger & rage
- used to break rackets more than Benoit Paire or like he takes a leak (often)
- MTO's when losing badly. (display of one's true character)
- would rather retire than give his opponent the full win (Roddick, Roger, Rafa, Stan, Monfis)
- unilaterally decides he doesn't need to follow ATP rules for travel safety during pandemic (character flaw) and throws a party hugging people.
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Holmes
Hall of Fame
The positives that will be studied:
-Multilingual skills
-Consistently neat hairdo over 15+ years
-Knowing your place as the #3 to two players since they are more popular than you (he only was able to do this for a few years)
The negatives to be studied as cautionary tales:
-Daring to realize the right to be the best in the world over two more popular players
-Triumphing over pretty tennis with boring baseline botting
-Running backhand stretch pusher pass
-Match point trolling of popular, pretty players instead of taking your L like a good man
-Contributing to dangerous increases in salt water erosion in urban settings
-Multilingual skills
-Consistently neat hairdo over 15+ years
-Knowing your place as the #3 to two players since they are more popular than you (he only was able to do this for a few years)
The negatives to be studied as cautionary tales:
-Daring to realize the right to be the best in the world over two more popular players
-Triumphing over pretty tennis with boring baseline botting
-Running backhand stretch pusher pass
-Match point trolling of popular, pretty players instead of taking your L like a good man
-Contributing to dangerous increases in salt water erosion in urban settings
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Never mind that people's attention spans are in the mileseconds now and nobody will think about Djokovic (outside of Serbia) the moment he retires. Same with Fed and Nadal. "Textbooks" will be studying the current players since the game evolves. Nobody is watching videos of Laver or Rosewall and trying to implement their strategies. Just another trivial thread that belongs in the Djokovic News Forum.
Sephiroth
Hall of Fame
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
The ancient Djokovic texts.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
I'm choking 
REKX
Rookie
It's incredible how this man ages (or not).
He didn't have that dominating aura like Federer, but for him to maintain such form at this age - it's something else. Everyone thought Federer's last stint from 2017 was impressive longevity and it was, but Djokovic's achievements on another level.
He didn't have that dominating aura like Federer, but for him to maintain such form at this age - it's something else. Everyone thought Federer's last stint from 2017 was impressive longevity and it was, but Djokovic's achievements on another level.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Djokovic had just as much dominating aura as Fed. When he stepped on the court players came half defeated, including Federer a few times.
junior74
Bionic Poster
Hi, welcome from the future.
Too good!
Juice4080
Semi-Pro
Yeah all 3 had the dominant aura. To single out Fed is just fanboying
dannyslicer
Semi-Pro
Sampras who?
Biotic
Hall of Fame
LolHi, welcome from the future.
DJOKOVIC | FEDERER | NADAL | |
| EAGLE / VULTURE | |||
| Top 5 wins | 123 | 104 | 93 |
| Top 10 wins | 259 | 224 | 186 |
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duaneeo
Legend
Only at the Australian Open until he turned 31. Afterwards, he was able to also dominate Wimbledon.
And no textbooks are necessary to explain why Nole was more dominant in his 30s than he was in his 20s.
duaneeo
Legend
Don't forget Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Yes, don't forget old and aging Agassi, who was also becoming irrelevant, when it was finally the time for Federer to meet him at his peak, let's not forget our favourite pigeons Hewitt, Roddick and Safin as well, who were more than happy to bend their knee to their master, let's not forget Nadal, who didn't learn how to even play tennis properly outside of clay until 2008, when Federer conspiciously started to exit his prime, let's also not forget gluten-intolerant Djokovic suffering from disease, that forced him to have breathing issues and finally mental midget Murray, who needed Lendl at his side to finally unlock his true potential in 2012...LOL In other words - cool story bro! But try harder next time!
duaneeo
Legend
And Federer dominated...winning 4 of 7 AO titles from 2004-2010, 6 of 7 WB titles from 2003-2009, and 5 of 6 USO titles from 2004-2009.
As said earlier, peak/prime Nole only dominated at the AO. Weak-era champion Federer along with Murray/Querrey/Berdych stopped him from dominating at Wimbledon, and Murray/Nadal/Nishikori/Wawrinka at the USO. His domination of Wimbledon began in 2018 when the likes of Anderson/Berrettini/Kyrgios were making the finals.
sportsfan1
Legend
There are likely many Novak fans that have never touched a racquet. It's about whether you like how he plays and conducts himself on and off the court, and if that matches your own likes and dislikes.
10S-Junkie
Semi-Pro
Fact check: Djokovic won Wimbledon in 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019, 2021 and 2022.
Defeating your boy Roger in the finals of 2014, 2015 and 2019 . Too painful to remember or do those not count in your world?
Cortana
Legend
But Federer was alreary old in 2014/2015!
duaneeo
Legend
Try reading my post before replying to it. From 2011-2016, Wimbledon was won by Djokovic (3), Murray (2), and Federer (who beat both players). Roger also won in 2017. That is not a domination.
But Nole in his 30s winning 4 straight WB titles? That's a domination.
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