Djokovic Will be Studied in Textbooks in the Future

Djokovic is

  • Exciting to watch

    Votes: 47 68.1%
  • Not exciting to watch

    Votes: 22 31.9%

  • Total voters
    69

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
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thrust

Legend
Didn't he have a really bad elbow injury?

Also, no one must be respected. We should of course respect him because he is a human being, but we are not obliged to respect him a tennis player. His pushing at times is rather gross.
Totally ridiculous!
 

thrust

Legend
You asked about 32 people who voted vs comments. I replied with another vote result. Simples

Everyone knows it is vulture fest dude. Stop living in denial. He's not had a credible younger opponent all his career.
But he did have Federer, Nadal and Murray to deal with throughout his career. He had the same competition as Rafa and Murray who are his age. Roger may be 5-6 years older than Nadal, Novak and Murray but his game style and stamina enabled him to be their equal until 2019 as he totally dominated Rafa since the 17 AO, off clay.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
This thread is pretty hilarious with some YouTube tier commentary. “Real 4.5s know that Djokovic is the best” falls in the same tier of 12 year old cringe as comments like “Beyoncé doesn’t even play guitar, real musicians listen to Fallout Boy”.

Multiple things can be true at once. There is no doubt that Djokovic is a great champion and that there is plenty to learn from him - technically, tactically, his focus on flexibility, his dedication to continuous improvement, his dedication to fitness and nutrition. He will certainly be studied by tennis players of the present and future, and so will Fedal.

Its also true that the younger generations suck and have inflated big 3 career totals to comical, historical narrative distorting levels.

It’s also perfectly fine if some fans don’t appreciate a player’s style or personality. Sports are ultimately an entertainment product.

None of these ideas negate each other.


For what little it’s worth, I personally know many North American pros, former pros, coaches, their families, etc and a few from elsewhere. As you’d expect, some prefer Djokovic and some prefer one of the other two. All of them have deep respect for all three. Not a fan of appeals to authority though
 
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TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
This is the book where he outright states that he doesn’t have celiac disease, but rather the vague and undefined “non celiac gluten intolerance”, diagnosed by touching bread.
People often cite that Djoker doesn't owe anyone an explanation for his surge in performance, which I guess is true, but he still rather went out of his way to do so, huh.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
But he did have Federer, Nadal and Murray to deal with throughout his career. He had the same competition as Rafa and Murray who are his age. Roger may be 5-6 years older than Nadal, Novak and Murray but his game style and stamina enabled him to be their equal until 2019 as he totally dominated Rafa since the 17 AO, off clay.
Nadal came in at Fed's peak. Fed had to contend with a younger Nadal.
Nadal had to contend with a peak Fed, younger Djok and younger Murray.
Djok had just an older Fed and older Nadal. No young blood to challenge him. Pure vulturing in Nad and Fed's absence.
 

Clay lover

Legend
This thread is pretty hilarious with some YouTube tier commentary. “Real 4.5s know that Djokovic is the best” falls in the same tier of 12 year old cringe as comments like “Beyoncé doesn’t even play guitar, real musicians listen to Fallout Boy”.

Multiple things can be true at once. There is no doubt that Djokovic is a great champion and that there is plenty to learn from him - technically, tactically, his focus on flexibility, his dedication to continuous improvement, his dedication to fitness and nutrition. He will certainly be studied by tennis players of the present and future, and so will Fedal.

Its also true that the younger generations suck and have inflated big 3 career totals to comical, historical narrative distorting levels.

It’s also perfectly fine if some fans don’t appreciate a player’s style or personality. Sports are ultimately an entertainment product.

None of these ideas negate each other.


For what little it’s worth, I personally know many North American pros, former pros, coaches, their families, etc and a few from elsewhere. As you’d expect, some prefer Djokovic and some prefer one of the other two. All of them have deep respect for all three. Not a fan of appeals to authority though
You think TWers are capable of 2D thinking?
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Multiple things can be true at once. There is no doubt that Djokovic is a great champion and that there is plenty to learn from him - technically, tactically, his focus on flexibility, his dedication to continuous improvement, his dedication to fitness and nutrition. He will certainly be studied by tennis players of the present and future, and so will Fedal.

the above is true

Its also true that the younger generations suck and have inflated big 3 career totals to comical, historical narrative distorting levels.
but the above here is simply an opinion

debate here would improve if we didn’t constantly confuse our personal views with facts
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
the above is true


but the above here is simply an opinion

debate here would improve if we didn’t constantly confuse our personal views with facts

Of course its my opinion, but I’ve defended that opinion on here in countless words and posts over the years, I’m not going to relitigate my view every time I post it
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Of course its my opinion, but I’ve defended that opinion on here in countless words and posts over the years, I’m not going to relitigate my view every time I post it
I’m not denying that. I’m simply saying that here we tend to mix facts that all posters can agree on (such as that the Big 3 have won a lot of slams) with personal opinions (weak era and so forth). Analytically these are not the same
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
I’m not denying that. I’m simply saying that here we tend to mix facts that all posters can agree on (such as that the Big 3 have won a lot of slams) with personal opinions (weak era and so forth). Analytically these are not the same

There are posters here who will disagree with the other two statements I made too. I agree that the one you highlighted is more debatable or controversial and considered qualifying it as such. The important part of that post is that even if someone is a believer in the “career inflation era hypothesis”, or if they don’t like Djokovic personally or style wise, it doesn’t mean they don’t understand or appreciate that he’s a great player and athletic role model.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
There are posters here who will disagree with the other two statements I made too. I agree that the one you highlighted is more debatable or controversial and considered qualifying it as such. The important part of that post is that even if someone is a believer in the “career inflation era hypothesis”, or if they don’t like Djokovic personally or style wise, it doesn’t mean they don’t understand or appreciate that he’s a great player and athletic role model.
A lot of the ”weak era” arguments read as of they are, in effect, denying that Novak is one of the greatest tennis players. Which is why these debates are seen by many as another form of trolling.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
A lot of the ”weak era” arguments read as of they are, in effect, denying that Novak is one of the greatest tennis players. Which is why these debates are seen by many as another form of trolling.

A lot of the language gets hyperbolic as as a response to the hyperbolic Federer weak era stuff that dominated the internet for many years.

My position on the big 3 is that peak for peak and prime for prime there’s not a significant amount of daylight between them. However, I am a proponent of the career inflation era hypothesis and I don’t think the big 3 are 1.5+ times greater than Sampras or 2+ times greater than Borg and I don’t think Djokovic racking up titles against later generations changes his relative greatness vis a vis the other two that significantly.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
A lot of the language gets hyperbolic as as a response to the hyperbolic Federer weak era stuff that dominated the internet for many years.

My position on the big 3 is that peak for peak and prime for prime there’s not a significant amount of daylight between them. However, I am a proponent of the career inflation era hypothesis and I don’t think the big 3 are 1.5+ times greater than Sampras or 2+ times greater than Borg and I don’t think Djokovic racking up titles against later generations changes his relative greatness vis a vis the other two that significantly.
I agree. my only ’caveat’ is that if we are comparing with players like Borg or Sampras we need to take into account that back then it wasn’t common to continue playing for so many years. And that the slam race as we understand it today didn’t exist
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
The positives in a tennis textbook are improvements to
- his serve
- volley and
- forehand.
*** Very admirable

textbooks about behavior: psychology, mental disorders, egocentric.

*** Not so admirable.

- argues with umpires
- argues with fans constantly in a adversarial manner
- screams at ballboy
- yanked towels away from ballgirl in anger & rage
- used to break rackets more than Benoit Paire or like he takes a leak (often)
- MTO's when losing badly. (display of one's true character)
- would rather retire than give his opponent the full win (Roddick, Roger, Rafa, Stan, Monfis)
- unilaterally decides he doesn't need to follow ATP rules for travel safety during pandemic (character flaw) and throws a party hugging people.
 
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Holmes

Hall of Fame
The positives that will be studied:

-Multilingual skills
-Consistently neat hairdo over 15+ years
-Knowing your place as the #3 to two players since they are more popular than you (he only was able to do this for a few years)


The negatives to be studied as cautionary tales:

-Daring to realize the right to be the best in the world over two more popular players
-Triumphing over pretty tennis with boring baseline botting
-Running backhand stretch pusher pass
-Match point trolling of popular, pretty players instead of taking your L like a good man
-Contributing to dangerous increases in salt water erosion in urban settings
 
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
There is no such thing as textbooks in the present
Never mind that people's attention spans are in the mileseconds now and nobody will think about Djokovic (outside of Serbia) the moment he retires. Same with Fed and Nadal. "Textbooks" will be studying the current players since the game evolves. Nobody is watching videos of Laver or Rosewall and trying to implement their strategies. Just another trivial thread that belongs in the Djokovic News Forum.
 
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