Djokovic will not qualify for WTF 2017

Where will Novak finish the year ranked?

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TheMusicLover said:
OP, is your second name 'Overreaction', nowadays?

The season has barely started.
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Djokovic won Montreal against a reduced field and had a walk in the park to the US Open final. If he doesn't get it together fast he's going to start quickly sliding in the seedings after RG. The window is really closing on him and he's not done anything of merit since RG. The season on Djoko has been open for some time.;) I may be out over my skis a touch on Zed, but the rest of the pack look pretty solid.
 
@Meles you are writing djokovic too soon off


Out of form federer qualified for the wtf in 2013
Year later out of form murray did the same
2015 nadal did it too but he pulled out
out of form djokovic will he qualify? We will see, just wait until end of the summer/early fall or so it is only march
 
Think he will end the year at 6 or so. That is if he continues this crappy form. If he comes back to some reasonable form (not even God level) he will end the year at 2 or 3 (at the worst).
 
Meles said:
Sock has been a matchup issue for Dimitrov and he did great damage with his forehand. I wouldn't read too much into it as Dimi had been off a while before IW and a touch rusty.
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Agree, and they are friends as well. So it creates a weird dynamic. The head to head will be a bit strange between these two over their careers imo.
 
mike danny said:
Federer in 2013 qualified and he was absolute garbage. I don't see why Djokovic won't be able to qualify too.
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Except injury.
Any way, OP gives a big bold prediction and bids against Djoker.Maybe some Djoker fans will go wild when just reading the title of thread.
But take it seriously. The probability of that Djoker will not qualify for WTF this year is super low.The only case which doesn't need any explanation is injury. Beside that,I can't figure out anything that would stop Djoker being a contender of 2017 WTF.
 
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every7 said:
Agree, and they are friends as well. So it creates a weird dynamic. The head to head will be a bit strange between these two over their careers imo.
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They have a lot in common.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Yes, but you also do not believe that he is staying like this forever, do you?

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Until he starts playing more tournaments and matches it looks permanent. I don't think he'll realize his plight (not making WTF) until its too late do something about it in 2017. If he's unwilling to put in the work, then once out of top eight at end of year he might contemplate retirement.:eek:
 
Meles said:
Nole is 18th in the race as it stands. Federer, Nadal, Dimitrov, Thiem, Wawrinka, Murray, Nishikori, Kyrgios, Zverev, and even Tsonga, Del Potro, and Raonic stand in his way. Its a minefield in 2017 and Djokovic has been hurt by tough draws in his last two events extending his period of light play and preventing him from reaching top form. Without the quick realization that he needs to play a heavy schedule its hard to see him making WTF.o_O
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Just curios, where did you find that table?
 
6-3 6-0 said:
True but given how dominant Djokovic was a year ago I just can't see him finish outside top 8. He is too good for that to happen.
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Exactly. If he can't even make the WTF this year, I would have to seriously question his diet, I mean what substance he'd been taking.

He should make the last 8 easily by November. He might even win a Slam title or two even this year.
 
TheMaestro1990 said:
Just curios, where did you find that table?
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Its a new option at an awesome new rankings website (they are working on historical rankings too.):
http://www.openerarankings.com/home?Race=3

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You can track Fed's every move round by round. I had nothing to do with the technical machaniations of this site, but I did push the head hancho Marian and the guy who runs his twitter site to go ahead and get Wimby Race live going (they were planning to do it) for when Fed returned to the court for the IW/Miami swings. Its an awesome thing and now with Djokovic not playing Miami, Grasserer may be able to nudge ahead of him to #2 in the race for the 2nd seed. Its is a very cool tool as Wimbledon calculations are not so easy and I think the all England Club darn near does the seeding calculations by hand the week before the tournament. Now we know.:D For me Dimitrov and Thiem will also be fun to follow as Grigs has a shot at 4 seed if keeps up his good play and Thiem might get back to 8 with any luck.:p
 
Honestly the only reason why I may look at the Race in this period is that I find it funny how small Tournaments'results may cause big jumps. It's way too soon, they haven't even played in all the surfaces yet. The fact Djokovic probably won't be qualified by the end of Roland Garros like in recent years (which was insane, by the way) doesn't take him out of the equation. Yes, this is arguably his best period of the season, but he's still on time to jump back.
I do agree with you that he doesn't play enough small Tournaments, though. It's something I've always criticised (not that I know any better than him, though), and even if I can't remember how the Race was proceeding back then I'm pretty sure Murray would have had a much harder time qualifying in 2014 if he didn't win Shenzhen and the other event where he got the double finger salute from Robredo (Vienna? Can't remember).
Meles said:
[...] My secret mission with this thread is to show that we are into a transition period.[...]
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But it's not secret anymore if you say it out loud like that!

By the way awesome job pushing for a Wimbledon Live Race.
 
ByakuFubuki said:
Honestly the only reason why I may look at the Race in this period is that I find it funny how small Tournaments'results may cause big jumps. It's way too soon, they haven't even played in all the surfaces yet. The fact Djokovic probably won't be qualified by the end of Roland Garros like in recent years (which was insane, by the way) doesn't take him out of the equation. Yes, this is arguably his best period of the season, but he's still on time to jump back.
I do agree with you that he doesn't play enough small Tournaments, though. It's something I've always criticised (not that I know any better than him, though), and even if I can't remember how the Race was proceeding back then I'm pretty sure Murray would have had a much harder time qualifying in 2014 if he didn't win Shenzhen and the other event where he got the double finger salute from Robredo (Vienna? Can't remember).But it's not secret anymore if you say it out loud like that!
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It was 2014 Valencia (now no longer played, sadly). He had also played Robredo in the Shenzhen final and survived a match point from him. No wonder Robredo got a bit p1ssed...lol! :)
 
Murray and Djokovic claim injury so if they can overcome these issues they'll be back, but it might take some time.
 
Djoker may be kicked out of top 8 if Nick is constantly by his side :p.
ANW, last year's threshold was 3200-3300 pts. So, it's not a very tough task for him fort the rest of year.
Saying 2016 majority of points belongs to Murray and Djokovic, with this year's status so far, the target is probably 4000 at most for anyone.
 
To qualify the final 8, dont you just have to win a slam that year? Despite Djoker's standing points, he can still do it with one of the remaining 3 slams.
 
Meles said:
Nole is 18th in the race as it stands. Federer, Nadal, Dimitrov, Thiem, Wawrinka, Murray, Nishikori, Kyrgios, Zverev, and even Tsonga, Del Potro, and Raonic stand in his way. Its a minefield in 2017 and Djokovic has been hurt by tough draws in his last two events extending his period of light play and preventing him from reaching top form. Without the quick realization that he needs to play a heavy schedule its hard to see him making WTF.o_O
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"Djokovic has been hurt by tough draws in his last two events ..........."

If a player has to rely on easy draws to win titles then he's not that good is he?

I actually think it's too early to talk about qualifying for the WTF. There are 3 slams to come and 7 M1000s. Lots of points to be gained between now and November. Djokovic's problem is maintaining his ranking post RG because he has a ton of points to defend up to RG. He has 4,600 points to defend up to and including RG. We know he won't defend 1,000 points in Miami, which brings his points down to 7915. He needs to defend most of his points in the 1st half of the season to maintain a top ranking. Murray's problems start from Madrid onwards.
 
Druss said:
This is a pointless thread, as it's still early days and Djokovic at 70% is better than most on that list (not named Federer/Nadal/Murray), and the likes of Wawa, Thiem, Kyrgios et al are too inconsistent to be guaranteeing them a spot before Djoko. Even if he declines by 20-30% he's ahead of them. We saw that with Fed back in 2010/11, he declined but was still ahead of everyone else not named Djokovic or Nadal.
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:rolleyes: Add Goffin to the list who is consistent.;)
 
I Am Finnish said:
@Meles you are writing djokovic too soon off


Out of form federer qualified for the wtf in 2013
Year later out of form murray did the same
2015 nadal did it too but he pulled out
out of form djokovic will he qualify? We will see, just wait until end of the summer/early fall or so it is only march
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This, without major injury, there's a 95+ % chance that Djoko qualifies for the WTF this year imo
 
Meles said:
He has the game to qualify, but the Kyrgios's and Zverev's of the world may play more and nudge him out.

Novak is 20th in the race right now and he needs to be top 8 in the race by end of RG to be comfortable.
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No he doesn't. Plus, the differences so far are miniscule. Nick is 12th yet he's a mere 200 points ahead of Novak at 20th.
I expect him to be a solid top-8 after the clay season (heck, I expect him to be top-5 or better in the race after the clay season (and he could be 3rd as well)), but there's still no course for alarm if he doesn't end up top-8 post the clay.
 
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Meles said:
He has the game to qualify, but the Kyrgios's and Zverev's of the world may play more and nudge him out.

Novak is 20th in the race right now and he needs to be top 8 in the race by end of RG to be comfortable.
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Kyrgios and Zverev are crap compared to the golden generation.
 
Meles said:
He has the game to qualify, but the Kyrgios's and Zverev's of the world may play more and nudge him out.

Novak is 20th in the race right now and he needs to be top 8 in the race by end of RG to be comfortable.
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Even at #30 at the end of RG, he'd be 90% to make it to the WTF.
 
Chanwan said:
No he doesn't. Plus, the differences so far are miniscule. Nick is 12th yet he's a mere 200 points ahead of Novak at 20th.
I expect him to be a solid top-8 after the clay season (heck, I expect him to be top-5 or better in the race after the clay season (and he could be 3rd as well)), but there's still no course for alarm if he doesn't end up top-8 post the clay.
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Disagree. If Novak doesn't get some clay results he's going to fall out of the top 4. He could easily start getting some even worse draws at that point as in Federer for QFs.:confused:
 
OP doesn't look so silly now does he?

This is absolutely a major concern and his fall on his injured elbow will not do any favors.
 
Mainad said:
If that's the case, why would he carry on? He said recently that, although it is no longer his #1 priority, he still enjoys playing tennis and has the hunger to recover the top spot. He said that he would no longer bother playing if that ceases to be the case.
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Actions speaks louder than words. He's not training to a serious degree, as Boris and Vajda have confirmed. So much of his success was based on superlative fitness and rock-solid confidence, which is shattered. So he's not training at a high level and he hasn't won anything but a 250 since July, 2016. We know his confidence is low.

Why does anyone expect professional athletes to speak the truth? They say whatever their sponsors want. How would Uniglow feel if Novak said, "I'm done, just put a fork in me!" ? It's the same BS that Fed lays out there: "I'm playing and moving better than I ever have!"
 
BeatlesFan said:
Actions speaks louder than words. He's not training to a serious degree, as Boris and Vajda have confirmed. So much of his success was based on superlative fitness and rock-solid confidence, which is shattered. So he's not training at a high level and he hasn't won anything but a 250 since July, 2016. We know his confidence is low.

Why does anyone expect professional athletes to speak the truth? They say whatever their sponsors want. How would Uniglow feel if Novak said, "I'm done, just put a fork in me!" ? It's the same BS that Fed lays out there: "I'm playing and moving better than I ever have!"
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Uniqlo .From someone who supposedly watching the game closely and is obsessed with Djokovic would be expected to know his sponsor name.
But you know everything else, including what players think or don't think.
 
Those bringing up Fed 2013 or Nadal 2016 need to understand they at least had some deep runs in Masters tournaments and of course Nadal wasn't skipping any and playing some lower level tournaments.

I'll hold back on voting till after RG.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Actions speaks louder than words. He's not training to a serious degree, as Boris and Vajda have confirmed. So much of his success was based on superlative fitness and rock-solid confidence, which is shattered. So he's not training at a high level and he hasn't won anything but a 250 since July, 2016. We know his confidence is low.

Why does anyone expect professional athletes to speak the truth? They say whatever their sponsors want. How would Uniglow feel if Novak said, "I'm done, just put a fork in me!" ? It's the same BS that Fed lays out there: "I'm playing and moving better than I ever have!"
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That was before! How long ago did Boris Becker say that? That was six months ago! Plus, can we really take anything Boris attention wh*re Becker has to say at face value? Recently Djokovic has been saying that he is doing everything he can to get back to decent form. Why wouldn't you believe that? He doesn't need to keep playing the game. He's worth two hundred million or so. It doesn't appear to me like he's lost interest completely like Borg or Wilander did. He looked like he was trying hard in Monte Carlo.

People need to give him some more time. If Federer and Nadal could find some decent form again, there is no reason why Djokovic can't. He was never going to win 7 more slams to surpass Federer's record but he could have another surge or two especially with this clueless field.
 
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