Djokovic will not qualify for WTF 2017

Where will Novak finish the year ranked?

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BeatlesFan said:
Well, Zverev did win a Masters 1000 this year, so finally one of them does step up. But then he loses R1 at the French Open. One step forward, two steps back?
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Surely winning Rome and losing R1 in Paris is two steps forward, one step back. Sure, Paris is much more important, but he wasn't going to win the title there, so the step back is that he lost in R1, rather than making R4, playing a 50-50 match with Nishikori, and at best losing to Murray in the quarters. I think the difference between winning Rome and not doing so is, in the long run, more important than that early defeat, especially as clay is his weakest surface and he could make up for it already this week.
 
Meles said:
He'll realize his plight too late and after months of rejections and failures at the end of season, he'll be spit out at the bottom of the heels of NextGen racing to Milan.:confused:
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Well, on the plus side, by successfully vulturing Eastbourne, he has achieved/neared these milestones:

1. Up to 779 match wins, which either overtakes Nastase for #9 in the open era, or if you include Nastase's four match wins in 1968 that were before the start of the open era, narrows the gap to one match win. Either way, he'd overtake Nastase if he made round 3 of Wimbledon.
2. 98 career finals, so nearing triple digits.
3. Four grass-court titles.
4. 250 points closer to qualifying for the WTF. :confused:

Certainly, a very easy draw. Monfils can be a decent opponent, but he's:
- weak on grass (never made R16 of Wimbledon, never made a tour final before this week)
- weak in finals (6-20 career record now)
- weak against Djokovic (0-14 career record now) [not counting futures]

So, that is really some good, relaxing match practice for him.
 
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helterskelter said:
Well, on the plus side, by successfully vulturing Eastbourne, he has achieved/neared these milestones:

1. Up to 779 match wins, which either overtakes Nastase for #9 in the open era, or if you include Nastase's four match wins in 1968 that were before the start of the open era, narrows the gap to one match win. Either way, he'd overtake Nastase if he made round 3 of Wimbledon.
2. 98 career finals, so nearing triple digits.
3. Four grass-court titles.
4. 250 points closer to qualifying for the WTF. :confused:

Certainly, a very easy draw. Monfils can be a decent opponent, but he's:
- weak on grass (never made R16 of Wimbledon, never made a tour final before this week)
- weak in finals (6-20 career record now)
- weak against Djokovic (0-14 career record now) [not counting futures]

So, that really some good, relaxing match practice for him.
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But still a good sign for his fans that he won this tournament...
 
helterskelter said:
Surely winning Rome and losing R1 in Paris is two steps forward, one step back. Sure, Paris is much more important, but he wasn't going to win the title there, so the step back is that he lost in R1, rather than making R4, playing a 50-50 match with Nishikori, and at best losing to Murray in the quarters. I think the difference between winning Rome and not doing so is, in the long run, more important than that early defeat, especially as clay is his weakest surface and he could make up for it already this week.
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I'm not sure where this Zverev has clay as his weakest surface idea comes from, but statistics and results keep showing it to be his best surface.:p The toaster burns on Nole's derrier in the Rome final will take a long time to heal.
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Otherwise agree.;)
 
helterskelter said:
Well, on the plus side, by successfully vulturing Eastbourne, he has achieved/neared these milestones:

1. Up to 779 match wins, which either overtakes Nastase for #9 in the open era, or if you include Nastase's four match wins in 1968 that were before the start of the open era, narrows the gap to one match win. Either way, he'd overtake Nastase if he made round 3 of Wimbledon.
2. 98 career finals, so nearing triple digits.
3. Four grass-court titles.
4. 250 points closer to qualifying for the WTF. :confused:

Certainly, a very easy draw. Monfils can be a decent opponent, but he's:
- weak on grass (never made R16 of Wimbledon, never made a tour final before this week)
- weak in finals (6-20 career record now)
- weak against Djokovic (0-14 career record now) [not counting futures]

So, that is really some good, relaxing match practice for him.
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I watched all of his matches and he gets an A+. A++ for agreeing with me and stating he was low on matches for the year which is why he entered. This kind of thinking might keep him in the WTF and it doesn't hurt that Goffin is down with that ankle sinking in the rankings.
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And Monfils playing better on grass finally and got his win over an in form Gasquet on grass. I thought he played a very intelligent match in the final which was a great match.o_O
 
The Nole race not to sink out of WTF
Here are the contenders for WTF and notes.
1 Rafael Nadal 31 ESP 6/3/1986 6915 (book it)
2 Roger Federer 35 SUI 8/8/1981 4545 (book it)
3 Dominic Thiem 23 AUT 9/3/1993 3165 (almost a done deal)
4 Stan Wawrinka 32 SUI 3/28/1985 3140 (almost a done deal)
5 Alexander Zverev 20 GER 4/20/1997 2530 (done deal if his game has expected uptick on return to hard courts)
6 Novak Djokovic 30 SRB 5/22/1987 1975
7 Andy Murray 30 GBR 5/15/1987 1930 (obviously a huge threat and might play a few more events than Novak like Vienna)
8 David Goffin 26 BEL 12/7/1990 1820 (the ankle injury has Goffin on the outside sadly)
9 Grigor Dimitrov 26 BUL 5/16/1991 1745 (falling apart on grass a bit, but still could make a run)
10 Pablo Carreno Busta 25 ESP 7/12/1991 1740 (injured and out of Wimbledon so no threat now)
11 Marin Cilic 28 CRO 9/28/1988 1705 (Cilic has a disturbing amount of points given he just finished clay season:confused: HUGE THREAT)
12 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 32 FRA 4/17/1985 1615 (Tsonga has the draw to make run at Wimby, if not he's done.;))
13 Kei Nishikori 27 JPN 12/29/1989 1605 (Kei is in real trouble:confused:)
15 Lucas Pouille 23 FRA 2/23/1994 1410 (An up and coming player who will play enough that he could sneak in with a big slam run:p)
16 Milos Raonic 26 CAN 12/27/1990 1335 (Milosh is screwed. He'll need to take down Fed again at Wimbledon or he's out.:eek:)
23 Nick Kyrgios 22 AUS 4/27/1995 990 (Nick derailed with injuries, but has game to make hard court run)
48 Juan Martin Del Potro 28 ARG 9/23/1988 535 (Delpo really off so far this year, but gearing up for big hard court run with entry to Citi Open in DC just like the old days.:p)

Novak is in a precarious position and could easily be passed by Federer at Wimbledon and go down to 5th in the rankings. This will make it a lot harder for him to get easy points off his seeding as he will start hitting Fedal in QFs all too often.:confused: Right now he is 6th, but going into a stretch of the season through the US Open where he's at his relative weakest.o_O Wawrinka really hurt him with the points from the RG final hastening Nole's plummet from the top 4.:eek:

At 6 in the race here is who is nipping at Nole's heals:
Murray
Cilic

They may pass him, but that still leaves him at 8 with Pouille trying to slide by or perhaps Kyrgios or Delpo on a big run. Things really look manageable with Goffin and Dimitrov floundering.:oops:

At this point Djokovic should just qualify for WTF if he keeps his recent momentum going.:cool:
 
I Am Finnish said:
now he is 6th in the race
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Finnish?:eek:

Not good. Shoulder and elbow trouble. The only thing saving him is Murray's decline.:confused:

The Nole Race not to sink out of WTF:
1 Rafael Nadal ESP 7095 IN
2 Roger Federer SUI 4905 IN
3 Dominic Thiem AUT 3345 (nearly done deal)
4 Stan Wawrinka SUI 3150 (nearly done deal)
5 Alexander Zverev GER 2710 (done deal if his game has expected uptick on return to hard courts)
6 Novak Djokovic SRB 2585 Shoulder and elbow went bad at Wimbledone:confused:
7 Marin Cilic CRO 2425 Rocketing up in the race at Wimbledon
8 Andy Murray GBR 2290 (floundering with hip)
9 Grigor Dimitrov BUL 1925 (decent Wimby run and play)
10 David Goffin BEL 1820 (back at in Gstaad where he is #1 seed and would pick up 250 points with the win)

Novak on the ropes again.:oops: Querrey helping Nole by knocking out Murray and now he'll need to do the same to Cilic or Marin will pass him.:eek: Goffin is back in the mix.
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Meles said:
Finnish?:eek:

Not good. Shoulder and elbow trouble. The only thing saving him is Murray's decline.:confused:

The Nole Race not to sink out of WTF:
1 Rafael Nadal ESP 7095 IN
2 Roger Federer SUI 4905 IN
3 Dominic Thiem AUT 3345 (nearly done deal)
4 Stan Wawrinka SUI 3150 (nearly done deal)
5 Alexander Zverev GER 2710 (done deal if his game has expected uptick on return to hard courts)
6 Novak Djokovic SRB 2585 Shoulder and elbow went bad at Wimbledone:confused:
7 Marin Cilic CRO 2425 Rocketing up in the race at Wimbledon
8 Andy Murray GBR 2290 (floundering with hip)
9 Grigor Dimitrov BUL 1925 (decent Wimby run and play)
10 David Goffin BEL 1820 (back at in Gstaad where he is #1 seed and would pick up 250 points with the win)

Novak on the ropes again.:oops: Querrey helping Nole by knocking out Murray and now he'll need to do the same to Cilic or Marin will pass him.:eek:
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Just wait how bad his injury is

If hè is out less than a month hè has still a decent shot if more no chance to qualifly most likely
 
Meles how far down the rankings would Murray/Djokovic fall if they took the rest of this season off? Out of the top ten surely for Muzzman?
 
Meles said:
Finnish?:eek:

Not good. Shoulder and elbow trouble. The only thing saving him is Murray's decline.:confused:

The Nole Race not to sink out of WTF:
1 Rafael Nadal ESP 7095 IN
2 Roger Federer SUI 4905 IN
3 Dominic Thiem AUT 3345 (nearly done deal)
4 Stan Wawrinka SUI 3150 (nearly done deal)
5 Alexander Zverev GER 2710 (done deal if his game has expected uptick on return to hard courts)
6 Novak Djokovic SRB 2585 Shoulder and elbow went bad at Wimbledone:confused:
7 Marin Cilic CRO 2425 Rocketing up in the race at Wimbledon
8 Andy Murray GBR 2290 (floundering with hip)
9 Grigor Dimitrov BUL 1925 (decent Wimby run and play)
10 David Goffin BEL 1820 (back at in Gstaad where he is #1 seed and would pick up 250 points with the win)

Novak on the ropes again.:oops: Querrey helping Nole by knocking out Murray and now he'll need to do the same to Cilic or Marin will pass him.:eek: Goffin is back in the mix.
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His been carrying the elbow injury for well over an year and he ain't playing the USO summer triple or the China season..... Probably come back for the last 1 or 2 tournaments or Davis cup.
 
If Djokovic and Murray are out in the medium-term, then it looks like we have six of the WTF slots pretty much sewn up: Nadal and Federer for sure, then Thiem, Wawrinka, Zverev, and Cilic should make it, too. But in my view, the final two slots are still very much open: Dimitrov may have done well in week 1 of Wimbledon but he did poorly against Federer and is still too inconsistent. Goffin's fitness is unclear, too, but if he's healthy, I think he has a good shot. The dreaded Berdy is #10 in the race, and given recent form has a good chance. Tsonga, Nishikori, Raonic, and even Querrey might have a shot, too.

Meles said:
Finnish?:eek:

Not good. Shoulder and elbow trouble. The only thing saving him is Murray's decline.:confused:

The Nole Race not to sink out of WTF:
1 Rafael Nadal ESP 7095 IN
2 Roger Federer SUI 4905 IN
3 Dominic Thiem AUT 3345 (nearly done deal)
4 Stan Wawrinka SUI 3150 (nearly done deal)
5 Alexander Zverev GER 2710 (done deal if his game has expected uptick on return to hard courts)
6 Novak Djokovic SRB 2585 Shoulder and elbow went bad at Wimbledone:confused:
7 Marin Cilic CRO 2425 Rocketing up in the race at Wimbledon
8 Andy Murray GBR 2290 (floundering with hip)
9 Grigor Dimitrov BUL 1925 (decent Wimby run and play)
10 David Goffin BEL 1820 (back at in Gstaad where he is #1 seed and would pick up 250 points with the win)

Novak on the ropes again.:oops: Querrey helping Nole by knocking out Murray and now he'll need to do the same to Cilic or Marin will pass him.:eek: Goffin is back in the mix.
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Meles said:
Looks very bad and all but official that Djokovic is out through the US Open and out of WTF.:eek:
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If hè is 6 weeks out
Maybe he will play asian & indoor season & has a small chance to quaifly if not he is out

But we will see what he has to say at the press tomorrow
 
helterskelter said:
If Djokovic and Murray are out in the medium-term, then it looks like we have six of the WTF slots pretty much sewn up: Nadal and Federer for sure, then Thiem, Wawrinka, Zverev, and Cilic should make it, too. But in my view, the final two slots are still very much open: Dimitrov may have done well in week 1 of Wimbledon but he did poorly against Federer and is still too inconsistent. Goffin's fitness is unclear, too, but if he's healthy, I think he has a good shot. The dreaded Berdy is #10 in the race, and given recent form has a good chance. Tsonga, Nishikori, Raonic, and even Querrey might have a shot, too.
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Disaster.:eek: Come back Nole.
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Resurgent Murray and Dimi would be perfect. Kei ok.;) Pouille and/or Goffin would be a miracle for WTF.:eek:
 
Meles said:
Disaster.:eek: Come back Nole.
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Resurgent Murray and Dimi would be perfect. Kei ok.;) Pouille and/or Goffin would be a miracle for WTF.:eek:
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You don't think that having someone in the draw who would lose 6-1 6-3 against Feddy, 6-4 6-2 against Wawrinka, and 6-3 6-3 against Cilic would add to the excitement of the WTF? :D
 
Chanwan said:
This, without major injury, there's a 95+ % chance that Djoko qualifies for the WTF this year imo
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Meles said:
He has the game to qualify, but the Kyrgios's and Zverev's of the world may play more and nudge him out.

Novak is 20th in the race right now and he needs to be top 8 in the race by end of RG to be comfortable.
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Chanwan said:
No he doesn't. Plus, the differences so far are miniscule. Nick is 12th yet he's a mere 200 points ahead of Novak at 20th.
I expect him to be a solid top-8 after the clay season (heck, I expect him to be top-5 or better in the race after the clay season (and he could be 3rd as well)), but there's still no course for alarm if he doesn't end up top-8 post the clay.
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Stop the presses!!!!
Meles might get a prediction right :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::D;)
 
I thought he would've quit his season after Wimbledon. No chance he's going into WTF playing like that. Fed would eat him alive.

Now on another note, the race is kinda interesting now. With Djokovic out it begs the question of will Murray also ditch the year with his injury problems or will he push on... I don't know because he's defending literally every tournament he's played in pretty much.

So Rafa and Roger are qualified, and Cilic + Thiem are also pretty much in. So that's 4 spots so far. Zverev and Wawrinka are also making it, so that leaves two spots open.

I don't know about Dimitrov, he's too inconsistent. He can go out and give Roger and Rafa and all those top guys real problems on his day yet on any other day he'll just get steam rolled. Goffin's fitness is a big question mark. That means Berdych, considering he's picking up form, is probably gonna clinch a spot, if Dimitrov fails to defend Cincinatti SF and other tournaments. So then we have... Nishikori and Raonic, who are having awful years, and Tsonga, who's playing good but has the same issue as Dimitrov.

Idk who else has a shot at these finals but it's gonna be boring without Andy (if he doesn't play) and Novak. It kinda cancels out considering Rafa and Roger are in it this year but weren't in it this year. Either way I wish both of them a speedy recovery and a better 2018 season!
 
There is no chance that Murray misses the WTF if he plays enough tournaments. I would say that 7 players are already IN and the final spot would be a big battle between - Nishikori, Dimitrov, Raonic, Berdych and Tsonga. Goffin probably wont be fit enough to gain enough points at the Us open and likely out of rhytm even for the Fall.
 
Bukmeikara said:
There is no chance that Murray misses the WTF if he plays enough tournaments. I would say that 7 players are already IN and the final spot would be a big battle between - Nishikori, Dimitrov, Raonic, Berdych and Tsonga. Goffin probably wont be fit enough to gain enough points at the Us open and likely out of rhytm even for the Fall.
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Goffin almost lost again today. I'd swear he pulled out of 6-3 down in 3rd set breaker today to get by Albot.:oops: I wouldn't be so confident nonetheless with Murray's chances.:rolleyes:
 
Fabresque said:
I thought he would've quit his season after Wimbledon. No chance he's going into WTF playing like that. Fed would eat him alive.

Now on another note, the race is kinda interesting now. With Djokovic out it begs the question of will Murray also ditch the year with his injury problems or will he push on... I don't know because he's defending literally every tournament he's played in pretty much.

So Rafa and Roger are qualified, and Cilic + Thiem are also pretty much in. So that's 4 spots so far. Zverev and Wawrinka are also making it, so that leaves two spots open.

I don't know about Dimitrov, he's too inconsistent. He can go out and give Roger and Rafa and all those top guys real problems on his day yet on any other day he'll just get steam rolled. Goffin's fitness is a big question mark. That means Berdych, considering he's picking up form, is probably gonna clinch a spot, if Dimitrov fails to defend Cincinatti SF and other tournaments. So then we have... Nishikori and Raonic, who are having awful years, and Tsonga, who's playing good but has the same issue as Dimitrov.

Idk who else has a shot at these finals but it's gonna be boring without Andy (if he doesn't play) and Novak. It kinda cancels out considering Rafa and Roger are in it this year but weren't in it this year. Either way I wish both of them a speedy recovery and a better 2018 season!
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While Berdbrain is resting on his laurels, the entire lost generation has wildcarded into Washington.:eek:
 
Chanwan said:
Stop the presses!!!!
Meles might get a prediction right :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::D;)
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