Djokovic will play in Geneva 1 week before RG

[Hitman]

Reminds me of the time he played Eastbourne in 2017.

Not Belgrade 2 before RG 2021?

 

[abmk]

No one knows what the real percentages are, unless you can give me everyone's opinion who has ever watched them. So your statement is highly subjective.

yes, don't know exact %s. but the order remains.

You speak as if about ten or twenty may not find Djokovic boring.....news for you, it is very likely in the millions.

no, I'm not.
If anything gave you that impression, let me say it again, no I'm not.

That's why I specified %s.

 

[Hitman]

Just check here at TTW which player has the most commented on match threads

it’s funny to read posters say they dislike Novak and then they can’t control themselves and are active in all his match threads.

they can’t help themselves

They watch his every move, we know this. As I said, if his titles don't mean anything, why so bitter?

 

[mike danny]

Not Belgrade 2 before RG 2021?

Belgrade was expected for obvious reasons. But Geneva is just as random as Eastbourne was 7 years ago. These are tournaments you'd not see great players participate in.

 

[NAS]

The last time he played the week before a slam, it was 2021 before RG....and we all know how that went.

Last time he played before slam was Mallorca open doubles, he skipped final I think for one two day rest before Wimbledon 21.
In singles it was Belgrade 2 just before RG

 

[Hitman]

and in the realm of reality.



no, I'm not.
If anything gave you that impression, let me say it again, no I'm not.

That's why I specified %s.

The realm of reality....

Your statement that Djokovic game is boring will be refuted by millions who watch the game. It is a not a statement of fact the way you said it - that his style is called boring, I don't call it that and millions others don't. If you like Federer, hey man, good for you....you don't like the fact Djokovic won the slam race, hey, that's fine too.

But understand this, when we are all dead and gone, and with us, our biased views on who we all see as the greatest, the only thing that will remain will be the numbers.

 

[nolefam_2024]

They watch his every move, we know this. As I said, if his titles don't mean anything, why so bitter?

Who are the losers on ttw to decide what Djokovic's titles mean or not. We can't give the losers on ttw that power.

 

[jl809]

As I said as soon as he skipped Madrid, he normally needs a few tournaments to shake off rust before RG on clay, and he didn’t give himself enough runway by limiting himself to Rome + MC. So we will see, but I think it’s a good move for him for RG. Just not sure if that will mean peaking at the right time for OMS

 

[Hitman]

Belgrade was expected for obvious reasons. But Geneva is just as random as Eastbourne was 7 years ago. These are tournaments you'd not see great players participate in.

He had already played Belgrade earlier in the clay season, lost to Karatsev....he was not obliged to go back and play it again, and that too a week before RG.

 

[DSH]

The last time he played the week before a slam, it was 2021 before RG....and we all know how that went.

And the two times he arrived as defending champion at RG they eliminated him in the quarterfinals.
Curious that you didn't mention that statistic.
Why would it be, right?

 

[Hitman]

Last time he played before slam was Mallorca open doubles, he skipped final I think for one two day rest before Wimbledon 21.
In singles it was Belgrade 2 just before RG

Yes, he had that doubles also. You are correct.

 

[NAS]

Belgrade was expected for obvious reasons. But Geneva is just as random as Eastbourne was 7 years ago. These are tournaments you'd not see great players participate in.

He played Mallorca doubles in 2021 for grass practice

 

[Hitman]

And the two times he arrived as defending champion at RG eliminated him in the quarterfinals.
Curious that you didn't mention that statistic.
Why would it be, right?

He also never won Rome before he won RG also. We can talk patterns all day if you want.

 

[mike danny]

He had already played Belgrade earlier in the clay season, lost to Karatsev....he was not obliged to go back and play it again, and that too a week before RG.

Fair enough. But to me this still felt much more random

 

[Gary Duane]

Djokovic takes drastic measure to prepare for French Open by 'entering ATP 250'

Novak Djokovic is set to compete in next week's Geneva Open.

www.express.co.uk

World number 1 Djokovic has accepted wild card to prepare for RG.
This is not the first time Djokovic has played warm up to RG. In 2021, he played Serbia 2, 250 and won it 1 day before RG.

Good. If he does well then I think we might assume that his last surprising loss really had a medical reason. And I think he earned some respect from people who are not really fans for the way he showed up and smiled with the helmet. I was personally impressed.

 

[abmk]

The realm of reality....

Your statement that Djokovic game is boring will be refuted by millions who watch the game. It is a not a statement of fact the way you said it - that is style is called boring, I don't call it that and millions others don't. If you like Federer, hey man, good for you....you don't like the fact Djokovic won the slam race, hey, that's fine too.

that's not my statement. I'm saying there is a % of people who say that right now. That will only increase as younger people only see the highlights and are less invested than those who watched djokovic live.

But understand this, when we are all dead and gone, and with us, our biased views on who we all see as the greatest, the only thing that will remain will be the numbers.

understand this, when we are all dead and gone, and with us, our biased views on who we all see as the greatest, the matches, the highlights will remain.
also understand this, if it is only a matter of looking at the numbers, even a 5th grader could do it.

 

[Hitman]

Fair enough. But to me this still felt much more random

Eastbourne? I think he won it also if I am correct, his only non-Wimbledon grass title.

 

[NAS]

As I said as soon as he skipped Madrid, he normally needs a few tournaments to shake off rust before RG on clay, and he didn’t give himself enough runway by limiting himself to Rome + MC. So we will see, but I think it’s a good move for him for RG. Just not sure if that will mean peaking at the right time for OMS

Usually he do make rome final ( even in worse year 2017) so he don't need Madrid most of the time.
This year he played MC till semi and got practice so qf and semi may have done the trick like last year but his unexpected loss mean he is not ready so he need one more tournament

 

[DSH]

He also never won Rome before he won RG also. We can talk patterns all day if you want.

Of course, if you only focus on what is best for your favorite player, you are only telling part of the story.
We must never ignore the negative antecedents as well.

 

[mike danny]

Eastbourne? I think he won it also if I am correct, his only non-Wimbledon grass title.

Both Eastbourne and now Geneva

Yeah, he did win it. Beat Monfils in the final and Medvedev in the semifinals

 

[NAS]

And the two times he arrived as defending champion at RG they eliminated him in the quarterfinals.
Curious that you didn't mention that statistic.
Why would it be, right?

Well yeah .... More than RG win, he is thinking about getting his match form as there are many big tournament coming like Wimbledon, Olympics, Us open.
Winning RG in this age is tough for him, I don't see anybody doing this apart Rafa, only he can win RG till 40 if he was fit

 

[jl809]

Another thing is that I think beating up mugs in smaller tournaments helps Djokodal at this stage of their careers. I think Nadal benefitted massively from playing Melbourne to get his confidence and rhythm up in 2022 for example. Same could happen here

 

[mike danny]

Tire yourself out and take more L's, we love to see it lol

Will he tire himself out considering he hasn't played too many matches because of all the losing?

 

[mike danny]

Another thing is that I think beating up mugs in smaller tournaments helps Djokodal at this stage of their careers. I think Nadal benefitted massively from playing Melbourne to get his confidence and rhythm up in 2022 for example. Same could happen here

I don't think Tsitsipas can take another loss from 2-0 up.

 

[Hitman]

that's not my statement. I'm saying there is a % of people who say that right now. That will only increase as younger people only see the highlights.


understand this, when we are all dead and gone, and with us, our biased views on who we all see as the greatest, the matches, the highlights will remain.

The first bit in bold - No, you don't know that, unless you have been to the future. This is simply your opinion, and I don't need to accept it. Highlights show a very warped sense of what matches are, heck you can see the very vultured Wimbledon final in your eyes, and see some crazy shots, and many will think - Wow, that was a great match.

The highlights will only show the best points, and you will see matches in better light than they really are. Numbers however will always remain.

I know this is not how many wanted it to end, they wanted the numbers for Federer or Nadal....hey, that is how it happens sometimes. When the younger players come, they will be targeting Djokovic's records, that is a fact.

 

[NAS]

He had already played Belgrade earlier in the clay season, lost to Karatsev....he was not obliged to go back and play it again, and that too a week before RG.

Oh come on, unless he was injured every tom dick and harry knew that he was playing Belgrade 2

 

[Hitman]

Of course, if you only focus on what is best for your favorite player, you are only telling part of the story.
We must never ignore the negative antecedents as well.

Considering how you were trumpeting how there was no weak era when Nadal won RG 2022, to the extreme 180 you have done as you the reality has dawned on who actually looks to be the winner of the slam race, I really don't know what else to say to you.

 

[NAS]

Will he tire himself out considering he hasn't played too many matches because of all the losing?

Depends how much serious he is, Geneva has good draw for atp 250, he really took Belgrade 2 serious in 2021 and won tough match instead of tanking but that was home tournament

 

[abmk]

The first bit in bold - No, you don't know that, unless you have been to the future. This is simply your opinion, and I don't need to accept it. Highlights show a very warped sense of what matches are, heck you can see the very vultured Wimbledon final in your eyes, and see some crazy shots, and many will think - Wow, that was a great match.

The highlights will only show the best points, and you will see matches in better light than they really are. Numbers however will always remain.

I know this is not how many wanted it to end, they wanted the numbers for Federer or Nadal....hey, that is how it happens sometimes. When the younger players come, they will be targeting Djokovic's records, that is a fact.

I added my reasoning in my edit:

That will only increase as younger people only see the highlights and are less invested than those who watched djokovic live.

clearly better matches than Wim 19 obviously will have more crazy shots/shotmaking. and there are so many clearly better matches than Wim 19. emphasis on clearly better.

oh and the full matches will also remain, not just the highlights.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Will he tire himself out considering he hasn't played too many matches because of all the losing?

Idk but I want him swinging those arms as much as possible before RG lol

 

[Hitman]

Oh come on, unless he was injured every tom dick and harry knew that he was playing Belgrade 2

No, he decided after he lost in Rome to Nadal that he was going to play. People were already saying he was overplaying at the time. He wanted to get that winning feeling so took the gamble to go back and play right before RG.

 

[NAS]

No, he decided after he lost in Rome to Nadal that he was going to play. People were already saying he was overplaying at the time. He wanted to get that winning feeling so took the gamble to go back and play right before RG.

For some reason I knew he was going to play Belgrade 2

 

[Hitman]

I added my reasoning in my edit:

That will only increase as younger people only see the highlights and are less invested than those who watched djokovic live.

better matches than Wim 19 obviously will have more crazy shots/shotmaking.

oh and the full matches will also remain, not just the highlights.

How many millions do you think will sit down and watch full matches, like this small little community of hardcore tennis nerds we have in this small corner of the internet? LOL

Most don't have time to even text properly.

You are hoping that somewhere down the line, people will revolt against Djokovic....OK.

I am sorry, but I am going to disagree with your entire opinion how things will be perceived...if anything, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and the rest of them will be lost to time...their number though will remain until someone beats them.

 

[Hitman]

For some reason I knew he was going to play Belgrade 2

fair enough, but he didn't announce it until the conclusion of Rome, when he lost to Nadal in the final. He felt he needed to go, which he wouldn't have. had he beat Nadal in that final.

 

[DSH]

Considering how you were trumpeting how there was no weak era when Nadal won RG 2022, to the extreme 180 you have done as you the reality has dawned on who actually looks to be the winner of the slam race, I really don't know what else to say to you.

You're speaking for yourself, it seems.
You are inferring something that I have not said and on top of that you are drawing the wrong conclusions.
The worst thing is that you change one topic to another to boast about something that you, as a fan, have no merit.
It's quite curious, how many take the successes of others as their own.

 

[RS]

Is the Federer is more exciting argument here?

I only skimmed the thread but it looks like it.

 

[DSH]

Idk but I want him swinging those arms as much as possible before RG lol

The end of your favorite player is approaching.
Age and decline spare no one.

 

[DSH]

Is the Federer is more exciting argument here?

I only skimmed the thread but it looks like it.

Peak Ferrero from RG 2003 vs 36 years old Djokovic from RG 2023, who wins?

 

[Hitman]

You're speaking for yourself, it seems.
You are inferring something that I have not said and on top of that you are drawing the wrong conclusions.
The worst thing is that you change one topic to another to boast about something that you, as a fan, have no merit.
It's quite curious, how many take the successes of others as their own.

I know what you said, and so did everyone else.

You are only complaining about Djokovic, but if it was Nadal, it would be sunshine and rainbows....you left a plethora of classic posts in your wake.

Incredible to see that Djokovic decides to play a 250 just to get some match practise in, and people are freaking out that slam 25 could be back on the cards. LOL

 

[nolefam_2024]

Is the Federer is more exciting argument here?

I only skimmed the thread but it looks like it.

This thread has nothing to do with federer

Or Djokovic's supposed popularity.

Every thread can't be allowed to descend into complete chaos. Mods need to interfere now.

 

[zakopinjo]

An excellent replacement for missed matches in Rome.

 

[RS]

Peak Ferrero from RG 2003 vs 36 years old Djokovic from RG 2023, who wins?

With era adjustments I would probably give it to Ferrero. I think the Djokovic who was going the closest to blow to blow with a good Nadal in 2011-2013 is the clear favorite though.

 

[DSH]

I know what you said, and so did everyone else.

You are only complaining about Djokovic, but if it was Nadal, it would be sunshine and rainbows....you left a plethora of classic posts in your wake.

Incredible to see that Djokovic decides to play a 250 just to get some match practise in, and people are freaking out that slam 25 could be back on the cards. LOL

No, you said that the last time your idol played a tournament prior to RG, he won both of them and I responded that the two times he arrived as defending champion there he was eliminated in the quarterfinals.
Statistic that you don't seem to like but that happened after all.
I know perfectly well that fans only focus on the background that is positive for them but forget what is not to their liking.

 

[Hitman]

No, you said that the last time your idol played a tournament prior to RG, he won both of them and I responded that the two times he arrived as defending champion there he was eliminated in the quarterfinals.
Statistic that you don't seem to like but that happened after all.
I know perfectly well that fans only focus on the background that is positive for them but forget what is not to their liking.

You do know I have picked Alcaraz to win RG, yes? Been saying it for months, meaning I am expecting Djokovic to lose...

Or did that filter out for your opportunity to have another swing and a miss?

 

[Hitman]

This thread is a perfect example of why I hardly post on this forum anymore. Djokovic really did ruin a lot of people's lives and I'm not even exaggerating when I say that.

I wonder if he truly knows how much damage he did by winning the slam race. I'm ready to move on and talk about the new guys, but many are still stuck on Djokovic.

 

[DSH]

You do know I have picked Alcaraz to win RG, yes? Been saying it for months, meaning I am expecting Djokovic to lose...

Or did that filter out for your opportunity to have another swing and a miss?

I think those who were blatantly wrong recently were the Djokovic fans like you who ventured to proclaim their idol champion at the recent Australian Open.
Again, pointing out others is easy but recognizing one's own mistakes takes more time to accept.

 

[MichaelNadal]

The end of your favorite player is approaching.
Age and decline spare no one.

I’ve been prepared since the second half of 2009 lol

 

[Hitman]

I think those who were blatantly wrong recently were the Djokovic fans like you who ventured to proclaim their idol champion at the recent Australian Open.
Again, pointing out others is easy but recognizing one's own mistakes takes more time to accept.

You seriously love filtering your thoughts.

I was probably one of the loudest backers of Sinner since Beijing 2023, saying he has changed, and saying he can win it all, especially if he gets through Djokovic. There are numerous posts and threads I made about Sinner becoming the man. You are reaching now. I get it, you were getting all giddy back in 2022 that your idol was about to win the slam race, Federer retired, Djokovic not allowed to play USO or AO, plain sailing for you....liking posts that stated weak era was propaganda. Then the house of cards came crashing down, and it all about how Djokovic vultured, when clearly avoiding the fact that Nadal doubled his HC slam count in his 30s, and had a Agassi or Lendl type career in his 30s...and even now, you are claiming a win for GOATdal at RG would be incredible....I wonder why.

We've been around this before, I'm not saying more. Enjoy.

 

[DSH]

You seriously love filtering your thoughts.

I was probably one of the loudest backers of Sinner since Beijing 2023, saying he has changed, and saying he can win it all, especially if he gets through Djokovic. There are numerous posts and threads I made about Sinner becoming the man. You are reaching now. I get it, you were getting all giddy back in 2022 that your idol was about to win the slam race, Federer retired, Djokovic not allowed to play USO or AO, plain sailing for you....liking posts that stated weak era was propaganda. Then the house of cards came crashing down, and it all about how Djokovic vultured, when clearly avoiding the fact that Nadal doubled his HC slam count in his 30s, and had a Agassi or Lendl type career in his 30s...and even now, you are claiming a win for GOATdal at RG would be incredible....I wonder why.

We've been around this before, I'm not saying more. Enjoy.

See, you only infer and speak for others.
The point is that Joker's fans declared victory ahead of time and did not expect that their idol was going to lose his invincibility playing in the semifinals of his favorite GS tournament against Sinner.
But since they are "your companions", it is not good to rejoice in the bad predictions of them.
It reminds me of politicians who attack others for having different ideologies on certain issues but they do not look in the mirror when someone from their own party and political current commits those same mistakes, which clearly speaks of a pronounced bias.

 

[abmk]

How many millions do you think will sit down and watch full matches, like this small little community of hardcore tennis nerds we have in this small corner of the internet? LOL

Most don't have time to even text properly.

You are hoping that somewhere down the line, people will revolt against Djokovic....OK.

I am sorry, but I am going to disagree with your entire opinion how things will be perceived...if anything, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and the rest of them will be lost to time...their number though will remain until someone beats them.

Djokovic rating will go down with time, relative to fed/nadal. compared to how it is now. nothing remotely close to a revolt. hilarious exaggeration though.

you think people are only concerned with numbers, but don't take style/level into consideration. stay happy in that bubble, which will burst in a couple of years or so.

I'm saying entire matches will still remain for anyone who wants to peruse, not that many will watch them.
but there are quite a few who will watch the highlights though