Djokovic will play in Geneva 1 week before RG

[mehdimike]

He

fair enough, but he didn't announce it until the conclusion of Rome, when he lost to Nadal in the final. He felt he needed to go, which he wouldn't have. had he beat Nadal in that final.

Call me crazy, but I feel like he played there so that if he had Rafa in his side of the draw, their match had to be happened at night since Novak was playing in Belgrad. 4D chess

 

[Hitman]

See, you only infer and speak for others.
The point is that Joker's fans declared victory ahead of time and did not expect that their idol was going to lose his invincibility playing in the semifinals of his favorite GS tournament against Sinner.
But since they are "your companions", it is not good to rejoice in the bad predictions of them.
It reminds me of politicians who attack others for having different ideologies on certain issues but they do not look in the mirror when someone from their own party and political current commits those same mistakes, which clearly speaks of a pronounced bias.

You're in a glass house.

 

[zakopinjo]

See, you only infer and speak for others.
The point is that Joker's fans declared victory ahead of time and did not expect that their idol was going to lose his invincibility playing in the semifinals of his favorite GS tournament against Sinner.

There are no idols, unless you are a remnant of paganism.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This thread is a perfect example of why I hardly post on this forum anymore. Djokovic really did ruin a lot of people's lives and I'm not even exaggerating when I say that.

True.

But these are miscreants

 

[DSH]

You're in a glass house. 

The same thing happens with you and your colleagues, you only attack others and do not look in the mirror to recognize your own mistakes.

 

[Razer]

Tire yourself out and take more L's, we love to see it lol

Looks like he is not short of energy, so he is not worried about being tired out.

He is more worried about lack of practice

 

[Hitman]

Djokovic rating will go down with time, relative to fed/nadal. compared to how it is now. nothing remotely close to a revolt. hilarious exaggeration though.

you think people are only concerned with numbers, but don't take style/level into consideration. stay happy in that bubble, which will burst in a couple of years or so.

I'm saying entire matches will still remain for anyone who wants to peruse, not that many will watch them.
but there are quite a few who will watch the highlights though

Again, you don't know for sure, since you are not from the future. This is simply your opinion and I don't have to agree with it.

You are making such statements while having a strong emotional bond to Federer's career, you went through the highs and lows in real time. Most people from the future, will have no such adoration or such feelings, they will watch and admire yes, but not the way those that actually saw things live did.

Your statements are telling me that you are hoping that now that the slam race is over, the way to bring Djokovic down and bring Federer up is through future generations hopefully protesting after watching highlights. People like winners also, in case you haven't noticed, people in the future will also be admiring what Djokovic did.

I understand a lot of Federer and Nadal fans don't like that Djokovic won the slam race, but if titles don't have value, who really cares, right?

Djokovic has won too much, achieved too much to be considered anything less than what he is. You are holding onto hope and wishful thinking. Numbers last, until someone breaks them. The more Djokovic's numbers are spoken of, the more they are targeted by future generations, the more his legacy will grow. That is sport.

 

[GabeT]

Djokovic rating will go down with time, relative to fed/nadal. compared to how it is now. nothing remotely close to a revolt. hilarious exaggeration though.

you think people are only concerned with numbers, but don't take style/level into consideration. stay happy in that bubble, which will burst in a couple of years or so.

I'm saying entire matches will still remain for anyone who wants to peruse, not that many will watch them.
but there are quite a few who will watch the highlights though

you predicted Novak would never reach Fed’s slam totals

I predict this prediction will be equally accurate

 

[Hitman]

The same thing happens with you and your colleagues, you only attack others and do not look in the mirror to recognize your own mistakes.

Yeah, our mistakes. We should be told them by you, the gold standard of accurate predictions himself.

 

[Hitman]

He

Call me crazy, but I feel like he played there so that if he had Rafa in his side of the draw, their match had to be happened at night since Novak was playing in Belgrad. 4D chess

That is possible, we know draws are rigged anyway. and the event is now DO. LOL

 

[ND-13]

I hope Tabilo and Nardi are not playing

 

[DSH]

Yeah, our mistakes. We should be told them by you, the gold standard of accurate predictions himself.

Of course, the 25th title in the last Australian Open is a clear example.
But, it's better to forget about that soon.

 

[Hitman]

Of course, the 25th title in the last Australian Open is a clear example.
But, it's better to forget about that soon.

We should all forget about these pointless fan wars, what do they actually yield for any of us?

 

[Razer]

Again, you don't know for sure, since you are not from the future. This is simply your opinion and I don't have agree with it.

You are making such statements while having a strong emotional bond to Federer's career, you went through the highs and lows in real time. Most people from the future, will have no such adoration or such feelings, they will watch and admire yes, but not the way those that actually saw things live did.

Your statements are telling me that you are hoping that now that the slam race is over, the way to bring Djokovic down and bring Federer up is through future generations hopefully protesting after watching highlights. People like winners also, in case you haven't noticed, people in the future will also be admiring what Djokovic did.

I understand a lot of Federer and Nadal fans don't like that Djokovic won the slam race, but if titles don't have value, who really cares, right?

Djokovic has won too much, achieved too much to be considered anything less than what he is. You are holding onto hope and wishful thinking. Numbers last, until someone breaks them. The more Djokovic's numbers are spoken of, the more they are targeted by future generations, the more his legacy will grow. That is sport.

Truth is that Federer and Nadal will be viewed as losers in the future by next gen of fans who never watched them play. As you mentioned, without the highs and lows and experience of watching them all the next gen kids will only see numbers..

Djokovic sitting at the top of the slams tally and rank 1 stats essentially means he will be seen as the winner and the other 2 guys as losers.

Posters like @abmk are just in pain but their pain will never end..

 

[Tennisfan339]

Potential Djokovic/Murray in 2nd round!

 

[Hitman]

Truth is that Federer and Nadal will be viewed as losers in the future by next gen of fans who never watched them play. As you mentioned, without the highs and lows and experience of watching them all the next gen kids will only see numbers..

Djokovic sitting at the top of the slams tally and rank 1 stats essentially means he will be seen as the winner and the other 2 guys as losers.

Posters like @abmk are just in pain but their pain will never end..

They are all winners in general. I think people are too hung up on Djokovic pulling ahead in the slams. Like, why? Why is it so important that your guy is the GOAT? What have you actually won if that happens?

My life hasn't got any better with Djokovic having more slams than anyone else. It's just entertainment, that is based on competitive sport.

 

[DSH]

We should all forget about these pointless fan wars, what do they actually yield for any of us?

But if your partner Gabe is a specialist in discrediting others, forgetting that he himself and the Joker fans make wrong predictions all the time, only since they are on the same side it is better to look the other way.

 

[DSH]

Potential Djokovic/Murray in 2nd round!

Murray is playing in Geneva?

 

[Hitman]

But if your partner Gabe is a specialist in discrediting others, forgetting that he himself and the Joker fans make wrong predictions all the time, only since they are on the same side it is better to look the other way.

The comment is a general one, we all have blood on our hands. But instead of you complaining about Djokovic fans, why don't you first own up to your own colorful contributions.

 

[GabeT]

But if your partner Gabe is a specialist in discrediting others, forgetting that he himself and the Joker fans make wrong predictions all the time, only since they are on the same side it is better to look the other way.

Sweetie, I make fun of you because you spam and troll nonstop and are obsessed with Novak. You have predicted for years now that Novak won‘t win anything else, proving that maybe you should focus on some other sport.

none of us can predict the future, so maybe avoid spamming threads

 

[Kralingen]

Potential Djokovic/Murray in 2nd round!

I doubt Murray makes it tbh.

 

[Vincent-C]

The real fear is Djokovic winning Wimbledon no. 8

That's my fear, for sure.

 

[Razer]

They are all winners in general. I think people are too hung up on Djokovic pulling ahead in the slams. Like, why? Why is it so important that your guy is the GOAT? What have you actually won if that happens?

My life hasn't got any better with Djokovic having more slams than anyone else. It's just entertainment, that is based on competitive sport.

My guy is not the GOAT anymore, my guy got his records broken. He lost his throne and Nadal was forever 2...hehe. The thing is that Djokovic won in the end and even if none of our lives changed, the next gen of kids will see him as the winner and take him seriously.

So my point is, ABMK wishing for next gens to open up videos on YouTube and rate Fed as goat might never happen....If I never watched Lendl or Connors or Mac or Borg or even peak Agassi's videos that were before my time then why should today's 10 year olds watch videos of peak Fed or peak Djokovic? They won't ....they will only see numbers and decide who is what ...and of course they will follow the present ATGs of their youth....

 

[Razer]

That's my fear, for sure.

I think Novak won't win number 8....Sinner and Alcaraz will stop him.

 

[InsideOut900]

Djokovic rating will go down with time, relative to fed/nadal. compared to how it is now. nothing remotely close to a revolt. hilarious exaggeration though.

you think people are only concerned with numbers, but don't take style/level into consideration. stay happy in that bubble, which will burst in a couple of years or so.

I'm saying entire matches will still remain for anyone who wants to peruse, not that many will watch them.
but there are quite a few who will watch the highlights though

Hardly, there is no incentive for people to go back on things they were never part of and have no emotional attachment to and hype them back up.

Really what's usually concerned it's what in front of our eyes and that's how the world works.

 

[abmk]

Again, you don't know for sure, since you are not from the future. This is simply your opinion and I don't have to agree with it.

You are making such statements while having a strong emotional bond to Federer's career, you went through the highs and lows in real time. Most people from the future, will have no such adoration or such feelings, they will watch and admire yes, but not the way those that actually saw things live did.

Your statements are telling me that you are hoping that now that the slam race is over, the way to bring Djokovic down and bring Federer up is through future generations hopefully protesting after watching highlights. People like winners also, in case you haven't noticed, people in the future will also be admiring what Djokovic did.

I understand a lot of Federer and Nadal fans don't like that Djokovic won the slam race, but if titles don't have value, who really cares, right?

Djokovic has won too much, achieved too much to be considered anything less than what he is. You are holding onto hope and wishful thinking. Numbers last, until someone breaks them. The more Djokovic's numbers are spoken of, the more they are targeted by future generations, the more his legacy will grow. That is sport.

revolt?
protest?

nice hilarious projections.

I understand a lot of djokovic fans including you want to over-rate Djokovic based on only wanting to consider pure numbers, including worst period in open era (2 worst generations), but his over-rating will stop soon and he won't be considered anything more than he is. more people will bring up 89-99 born winning a mere 2 slams total.

if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level for long enough to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't.

level wise:
federer < djokovic pre-prime
federer > djokovic prime
federer ~ djokovic post prime


aesthetics wise: % of people liking fed's game > djokovic's game.

 

[Hitman]

My guy is not the GOAT anymore, my guy got his records broken. He lost his throne and Nadal was forever 2...hehe. The thing is that Djokovic won in the end and even if none of our lives changed, the next gen of kids will see him as the winner and take him seriously.

So my point is, ABMK wishing for next gens to open up videos on YouTube and rate Fed as goat might never happen....If I never watched Lendl or Connors or Mac or Borg or even peak Agassi's videos that were before my time then why should today's 10 year olds watch videos of peak Fed or peak Djokovic? They won't ....they will only see numbers and decide who is what ...and of course they will follow the present ATGs of their youth....

I understand your point, it kind of echoes what I have been saying. When the emotional dust has settled, all that will remain are the numbers. Because those numbers will be the records that the future generations will be targeting, and the media will be talking about potentially being under threat when new greats of the game emerge. That only enhances the legacy of he who has them, and when the future generations find out that he has them ALL, he becomes even more mythical.

 

[Hitman]

revolt?
protest?

nice hilarious projections.

I understand a lot of djokovic fans including you want to over-rate Djokovic based on pure numbers, including worst period in open era (2 worst generations), but his over-rating will stop soon and he won't be considered anything more than he is.

Nice wishful thinking from you also. You wish this happens, doesn't mean it will.

People in the future are not going to have emotional connections in their millions and millions they way they had when Federer was at his peak. You seem very agitated that Djokovic has the numbers, if those titles don't mean anything, why bother what anyone thinks.

Seems most here spend more time talking about how to tear Djokovic down, than anything else.

 

[Razer]

revolt?
protest?

nice hilarious projections.

I understand a lot of djokovic fans including you want to over-rate Djokovic based on pure numbers, including worst period in open era (2 worst generations), but his over-rating will stop soon and he won't be considered anything more than he is.

level wise:
federer < djokovic pre-prime
federer > djokovic prime
federer ~ djokovic post prime


aesthetics wise: % of people liking fed's game > djokovic's game.

Get over your jealousy of Djokovic....he has won things fair and square....

I understand your point, it kind of echoes what I have been saying. When the emotional dust has settled, all that will remain are the numbers. Because those numbers will be the records that the future generations will be targeting, and the media will be talking about potentially being under threat when new greats of the game emerge. That only enhances the legacy of he who has them, and when the future generations find out that he has them ALL, he becomes even more mythical.

Yeah....he having all records will really tilt everything in his favor when they are all judged by the kids.

I think the summary of the era was that Fed got to enjoy the cake during his 2 decade playing years ...Djokovic will enjoy the cake in retirement ....Nadal gets no cake.

 

[abmk]

Nice wishful thinking from you also. You wish this happens, doesn't mean it will.

People in the future are not going to have emotional connections in their millions and millions they way they had when Federer was at his peak. You seem very agitated that Djokovic has the numbers, if those titles don't mean anything, why bother what anyone thinks.

Seems most here spend more time talking about how to tear Djokovic down, than anything else.

if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't.
I'm a little pissed off at the over-rating based on Djokovic getting so lucky --- federer was at a similar level in the 30s and he won 4 slams. djokovic won how many? 11-12? (at best djokovic a little better level)

bold part: another hilarious projection. never said that or anything resembling that.
so you have a problem with me saying djokovic should not be over-rated and he should not be considered any more than he is?

 

[DSH]

Sweetie, I make fun of you because you spam and troll nonstop and are obsessed with Novak. You have predicted for years now that Novak won‘t win anything else, proving that maybe you should focus on some other sport.

none of us can predict the future, so maybe avoid spamming threads

Of course, "for years."
Now, comment on a tennis forum statistical data that is valid to understand why a tennis player has improved his efficiency winning Majors tournaments is frowned upon by some.
But instead of debating the fact, you begin to discredit the messenger.
And the worst thing is that you use quite colorful language.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Everyone eat something epic today please I’m grilling

 

[Hitman]

Get over your jealousy of Djokovic....he has won things fair and square....



Yeah....he having all records will really tilt everything in his favor when they are all judged by the kids.

I think the summary of the era was that Fed got to enjoy the cake during his 2 decade playing years ...Djokovic will enjoy the cake in retirement ....Nadal gets no cake.

It is what it is. It was a great era though.

 

[Hitman]

if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't.
I'm a little pissed off at the over-rating based on him getting so lucky.

and again, another hilarious projection. never said that or anything resembling that.
so you have a problem with me saying djokovic should not be over-rated?

A little? Sounds like you are super PO at Djokovic winning the slam race. You are constantly focused on it now when you are here. How to tear Djokovic down and bring Federer up.

My problem is your initial comment where you were passing Djokovic style is boring as some sort of fact, which I told you is your subjective opinion and then it continued from there. You can overrate him how you want. I know full well that many Federer and Nadal fans will never give him credit.

Funny thing is, and you know this, since I joined shortly after you did, so you have seen my entire posting history here, but I would defend Federer from being called overrated by my fellow Sampras fans, always gave him the credit, you clearly never had any issues with that, but now when Djokovic has the numbers, you are reminding me of the very Sampras fans that I encountered who did the same thing to Federer.

Numbers will remain until someone breaks them, that will be the standard. Records are based on numbers, on wins. They are not based on subjective love for certain styles. Younger generations will only be targeting those records, and I will be the first to congratulate anyone who breaks Djokovic's numbers without complaining about this and that, should it ever happen in my lifetime.

 

[abmk]

A little? Sounds like you are super PO at Djokovic winning the slam race. You are constantly focused on it now when you are here. How to tear Djokovic down and bring Federer up.

My problem is your initial comment where you were passing Djokovic style is boring as some sort of fact, which I told you is your subjective opinion and then it continued from there. You can overrate him how you want. I know full well that many Federer and Nadal fans will never give him credit.

Funny thing is, and you know this, since I joined shortly after you did, so you have seen my entire history here, but I would defend Federer from being called overrated by my fellow Sampras fans, always gave him the credit, you clearly never had any issues with that, but now when Djokovic has the numbers, you are reminding of the very Sampras fans that I encountered who did the same thing to Federer.

Numbers will remain until someone breaks them, that will be the standard. Records are based on numbers, on wins. They are not based on subjective love for certain styles. Younger generations will only be targeting those records, and I will be the first to congratulate anyone who breaks Djokovic's numbers without complaining about this and that, should it ever happen in my lifetime.

I addressed whatever I needed to.
And bold part: no, I didn't. not the 1st time you have misread/misinterpreted what I wrote.

Read properly instead of making up your own fancy interpretations.
"if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't."

I have given credit where it is deserved for Djokovic. For his longevity, for something like Wim 18, RG 21 etc.
It was amazing the level djokovic displayed at RG for that age in 21 vs nadal/tpas making for good competition.

but you are intent on saying I am not giving credit, because it makes it easy for you to paint me with a broad brush.
easier to make arguments with strawman stuff, misinterpretations etc.

 

[Hitman]

I addressed whatever I needed to.
And bold part: no, I didn't. not the 1st time you have misread/misinterpreted what I wrote.

Read properly instead of making up your own fancy interpretations.
"if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't."

I have given credit where it is deserved for Djokovic. For his longevity, for something like Wim 18, RG 21, but you are intent on saying I am not giving credit, because it makes it easy for you to paint me with a broad brush.

This is what you said

and his style called boring.
That to me is you passing it off as some universally agreed upon fact. Just another dig at him.

And as for the final part

"if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't."

I'm not going on your eye test as the be all end all. That is your own very subjective view, not the word of God. Anyone can pick and choose what they want to give credit for or not.

I give you this, you are good for engaging in tennis discussions, but ultimately, we are all biased, me and you included, so I'm not accepting someone's eye test if I don't agree with it.

 

[StefanV]

I love good fights.

 

[NAS]

Everyone eat something epic today please I’m grilling

I ate Masala Dosa for dinner so already epic food for me

 

[thrust]

I was only overly bothered when he vultured so many of them after AO 19.

luckiest most over-achieving tennis player ever - Djokovic.

LOL!

 

[Zardoz7/12]

Djokovic since winning the ATP Tour finals last year has been sub par to say the least.

I think he's cooked mentally more than anything, there's nothing left for him other than this Olympic singles gold which some either say means nothing and others say it means something.

Something is up with him and overall it's motivation in my opinion.

 

[abmk]

This is what you said

and his style called boring.
That to me is you passing it off as some universally agreed upon fact. Just another dig at him.

nope.
that was only part of what I wrote.
I wrote the context before that. and nowhere did I imply it was universally agreed upon.
I clarified that also in my replies to you multiple times. What else do you want?

And as for the final part

"if djokovic had actually shown prime, prime-ish level enough times to win slam race without inflation, it'd be a different matter. But he didn't."

I'm not going on your eye test as the be all end all. That is your own very subjective view, not the word of God. Anyone can pick and choose what they want to give credit for or not.

I give you this, you are good for engaging in tennis discussions, but ultimately, we are all biased, me and you included, so I'm not accepting someone's eye test if I don't agree with it.

let me put it this way, we both agree, fed at prime/prime-ish level won 17 slams from Wim 03-Wim 12
djokovic won 15 such from AO 08 to AO 19.


we disagree on inflation. ok. yes, that is subjective.
But I'm explaining my PoV. Its also backed up by 2 of the worst generations in open era (now that can be statistically proven also, its not just eye test)

 

[big ted]

Djokovic since winning the ATP Tour finals last year has been sub par to say the least.

I think he's cooked mentally more than anything, there's nothing left for him other than this Olympic singles gold which some either say means nothing and others say it means something.

Something is up with him and overall it's motivation in my opinion.

hes motivated to break records but hes not motivated enough to break his own lol

 

[abmk]

LOL!

 

[UnderArmServeOP]

correct. But % wise of people who find them boring is most likely Djokovic > Nadal > (big gap) Federer.

People will watch Djoko more just because more match points, more clutch points and higher rally counts are available to be watched. Then would come Fed for just the beauty of his game and the rewatchability of his game is just way to high. Rafa ofcourse has the brutality of Clay under his belt and thats always a sight to see. Any Rafa highlight on Clay is just pure class.

 

[DSH]

Djokovic since winning the ATP Tour finals last year has been sub par to say the least.

I think he's cooked mentally more than anything, there's nothing left for him other than this Olympic singles gold which some either say means nothing and others say it means something.

Something is up with him and overall it's motivation in my opinion.

The guy is practically 37 years old and has already won everything with the sole exception of Olympic gold.
What else do you reasonably expect from him between now and the end of his career?

 

[Hitman]

nope.
that was only part of what I wrote.
I wrote the context before that. and nowhere did I imply it was universally agreed upon.
I clarified that also in my replies to you multiple times. What else do you want?




let me put it this way, we both agree, fed at prime/prime-ish level won 17 slams from Wim 03-Wim 12
djokovic won 15 such from AO 08 to AO 19.


we disagree on inflation. ok. yes, that is subjective.
But I'm explaining my PoV. Its also backed up by 2 of the worst generations in open era (now that can be statistically proven also, its not just eye test)

I'm done here, I'm off to watch Rome semi.

 

[nolefam_2024]

They are all winners in general. I think people are too hung up on Djokovic pulling ahead in the slams. Like, why? Why is it so important that your guy is the GOAT? What have you actually won if that happens?

My life hasn't got any better with Djokovic having more slams than anyone else. It's just entertainment, that is based on competitive sport.

No no
No no.
Life has gone much better post RG 21. I will not agree on this..

Again you are responding to miscreants though. The thread is about Djokovic playing in Geneva. Not some hypothetical fedal worshipping.

 

[L4S10s]

hopefully will get to play vs Yonex Mury

 

[GRASScaraz]

Horrible decision he's truly lost it. Why play altitude clay when Lyon has much similar conditions to RG??

 

[mike danny]

The real fear is Djokovic winning Wimbledon no. 8

Very few people will consider him as good as Fed/Pete there anyway.