Djokovic will play in Geneva 1 week before RG

[Cupcake]

The more Djokovic's numbers are spoken of, the more they are targeted by future generations, the more his legacy will grow. That is sport.

Margaret Court might disagree. Sure, different times and circumstances, yadda, yadda. She still occasionally is given a nod for her numbers (which are still targeted), but is barely mentioned in the discussion of which woman actually has been the greatest player.

 

[NAS]

Margaret Court might disagree. Sure, different times and circumstances, yadda, yadda. She still occasionally is given a formal nod for her numbers, but is barely mentioned in the discussion of which woman actually has been the greatest player.

As you said different time because of her 11 AO

 

[Sport]

Truth is that Federer and Nadal will be viewed as losers in the future by next gen of fans who never watched them play. As you mentioned, without the highs and lows and experience of watching them all the next gen kids will only see numbers..

Djokovic sitting at the top of the slams tally and rank 1 stats essentially means he will be seen as the winner and the other 2 guys as losers.

Posters like @abmk are just in pain but their pain will never end..

I don't think a guy with 14 RG and a perfect 14 out of 14 in RG finals is gonna get seen as a loser.

Djokovic will be perceived as the undisputable GOAT by future generations and Nadal as the undisputable King of clay and the most dominant player ever on a surface. That's far from a loser, his King of clay legacy is so immense, colossal and unbreakable that no one will see him as a loser.

 

[RS]

So this thread was derailed.

 

[mahatma]

excellent. playing in more tournaments before going into RG. Hope Djokovic gets thrashed at RG.

rofl. slam record is done buddy

 

[ND-13]

rofl. slam record is done buddy

I think the common issue / hate comes from the fact he won more majors after age 30 than before when the big 2 were ruling

 

[NoleFam]

I think the common issue / hate comes from the fact he won more majors after age 30 than before when the big 2 were ruling

No the hate comes from the fact that he's better than the other two and there's not a damn thing his haters can do about it. If they're the big 2, then he's the huge 1.

 

[jl809]

round 2 knocked out by Andy GOAT timeline incoming

 

[mahatma]

No the hate comes from the fact that he's better than the other two and there's not a damn thing his haters can do about it. If they're the big 2, then he's the huge 1.

Like the nomenclature, huge 1 or I will give another name - "The Mighty One"!

 

[Tennisfan339]

Horrible decision he's truly lost it. Why play altitude clay when Lyon has much similar conditions to RG??

It worked for Wawrinka (2015 and 2017) and Ruud (2022 and 2023). They won Geneva and then made it to the final in Paris.

I doubt Murray makes it tbh.

Murray plays Hanfman first. I agree Hanfman is favorite, but one can dream. I really want to see 1 last Djokovic/Murray.

 

[NoleFam]

Like the nomenclature, huge 1 or I will give another name - "The Mighty One"!

The mighty one sounds even better, lol.

 

[Kralingen]

Djokovic trying to win in Switzerland is an insult to Federer. It violates the carefully laid out Geneva GOAT Accords set years ago.

Please take a wild card Roger. You can do it.

 

[mike danny]

Djokovic trying to win in Switzerland is an insult to Federer. It violates the carefully laid out Geneva GOAT Accords set years ago.

Please take a wild card Roger. You can do it.

He's already won in Switzerland though. Fred has never won in Serbia. We know who the real man is now.

 

[ND-13]

No the hate comes from the fact that he's better than the other two and there's not a damn thing his haters can do about it. If they're the big 2, then he's the huge 1.

What you are stating is subjective (that he is better ). We know he has better records but folks don’t translate that with a better player. What I am stating is facts though - he is winning as much and more in his 30’s in an era that was well outside the peak of the other 2.

 

[Kralingen]

Pro player's ranking: number 1
Pro scammer's ranking: number 305

All the more concerning that a world #1 was unable to outperform the world #305

 

[vokazu]

Tire yourself out and take more L's, we love to see it lol

You sound like Uncle Toni, wishing ill on Djokovic. So classless.

 

[NoleFam]

What you are stating is subjective (that he is better ). We know he has better records but folks don’t translate that with a better player. What I am stating is facts though - he is winning as much and more in his 30’s in an era that was well outside the peak of the other 2.

Since when is not being able to win as much across different surfaces and conditions across a 20 year career subjective? He's not winning more in his 30s. He had the same amount of Slams in his 30s but far less big titles than his 20s. It definitely isn't subjective when talking about who was a better player in their 30s.

 

[ND-13]

Since when is not being able to win as much across different surfaces and conditions across a 20 year career subjective? He's not winning more in his 30s. He had the same amount of Slams in his 30s but far less big titles than his 20s. It definitely isn't subjective when talking about who was a better player in their 30s.

Who is not able to win across surfaces ?

The subjective thing is better records does not necessarily mean better player.

The objective/factual thing is Djokovic is winning as much and more in his 30’s than in his pre 30’s, which is a staggering anomaly.

 

[sportsfan1]

Tabilo declkmed to come to Montenegro. Now nole has to go to Geneva.

 

[NoleFam]

Who is not able to win across surfaces ?

The subjective thing is better records does not necessarily mean better player.

The objective/factual thing is Djokovic is winning as much and more in his 30’s than in his pre 30’s, which is a staggering anomaly.

I like how you're trying to limit it to records and not the basic premise of being able to win matches. The records come from the fact that he was able to win more matches than them when it mattered. You can pretend you don't understand that though. There's nothing subjective about winning and losing in tennis. Why are you repeating he won more in his 30s as a fact when it's clearly not?

 

[malbaker86]

Didn’t he win RG the last time he played a tourney that ended right before Paris started?

Coming off a Rome final though. His form had been off

 

[ND-13]

I like how you're trying to limit it to records and not the basic premise of being able to win matches. The records come from the fact that he was able to win more matches than them when it mattered. You can pretend you don't understand that though. There's nothing subjective about winning and losing in tennis. Why are you repeating he won more in his 30s as a fact when it's clearly not?

I don’t know what you mean but my understanding is that he is 12 and counting after age 31. He has won 24 overall

 

[NoleFam]

I don’t know what you mean but my understanding is that he is 12 and counting after age 31. He has won 24 overall

20s - 12 Slams, 30 Masters, 5 ATP Finals
30s - 12 Slams, 10 Masters, 2 ATP Finals

So your understanding is not accurate.

 

[GabeT]

The objective/factual thing is Djokovic is winning as much and more in his 30’s than in his pre 30’s, which is a staggering anomaly.

WHY THE BEST PLAYERS IN PRO SPORTS TODAY ARE ALL IN THEIR 30s AND STILL DOMINANT

The oldest active player in the NFL is Tom Brady, at 44, and he is arguably still the best in the league.

medium.com

Top 16 athletes over 35 of all-time: From Tom Brady to Serena Williams to Gordie Howe

Here's a look at 16 of some of the most successful athletes who have evaded the tolls of Father Time by thriving since turning 35.

www.usatoday.com

How 40s has become the new 30s for elite sportsmen

Science and data have ensured athletes now have longer and more prolific careers.

www.tbsnews.net

 

[ND-13]

20s - 12 Slams, 30 Masters, 5 ATP Finals
30s - 12 Slams, 10 Masters, 2 ATP Finals

So your understanding is not accurate.

There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that Djokovic started focusing on majors in his 30’s but the following are facts :

Age 17-30 : 12 majors or Age 20-30 - 12 majors (since first major win)
Age 31-36 : 12 majors

That is a complete anomaly and it is completely rational and logical folks wonder why.

 

[ND-13]

WHY THE BEST PLAYERS IN PRO SPORTS TODAY ARE ALL IN THEIR 30s AND STILL DOMINANT

The oldest active player in the NFL is Tom Brady, at 44, and he is arguably still the best in the league.

medium.com

Top 16 athletes over 35 of all-time: From Tom Brady to Serena Williams to Gordie Howe

Here's a look at 16 of some of the most successful athletes who have evaded the tolls of Father Time by thriving since turning 35.

www.usatoday.com

How 40s has become the new 30s for elite sportsmen

Science and data have ensured athletes now have longer and more prolific careers.

www.tbsnews.net

Other sports comparison is Irrelevant

 

[GabeT]

Other sports comparison is Irrelevant

on the contrary

read and learn something

 

[NoleFam]

There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that Djokovic started focusing on majors in his 30’s but the following are facts :

Age 17-30 : 12 majors or Age 20-30 - 12 majors (since first major win)
Age 31-36 : 12 majors

That is a complete anomaly and it is completely rational and logical folks wonder why.

If they were actually watching tennis and watching the tournaments, then there shouldn't be anything to wonder about.

 

[GabeT]

There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that Djokovic started focusing on majors in his 30’s but the following are facts :

Age 17-30 : 12 majors or Age 20-30 - 12 majors (since first major win)
Age 31-36 : 12 majors

That is a complete anomaly and it is completely rational and logical folks wonder why.

A. It’s not a complete anomaly. It’s a growing trend across all sports
B. if you want to know why there are myriads of articles on this

 

[ND-13]

on the contrary

read and learn something

When I told you Margaret Court has 24 majors you said it is a different sport .

Take a break, it will help

 

[GabeT]

When I told you Margaret Court has 24 majors you said it is a different sport .

Take a break, it will help

i get you know little about sports and how it’s evolved, that’s why I’m posting articles for you to read

 

[ND-13]

A. It’s not a complete anomaly. It’s a growing trend across all sports
B. if you want to know why there are myriads of articles on this

When Djokovic is not winning , are other 36 year olds winning ? That should give a clue

 

[zakopinjo]

20s - 12 Slams, 30 Masters, 5 ATP Finals
30s - 12 Slams, 10 Masters, 2 ATP Finals

So your understanding is not accurate.

Interestingly, Novak has won more masters in his 20s than Federer has in his entire career.

 

[GabeT]

When Djokovic is not winning , are other 36 year olds winning ? That should give a clue

Some were, until recently

Both Nadal and Fed won at that age

again, read a little

 

[ND-13]

i get you know little about sports and how it’s evolved, that’s why I’m posting articles for you to read

That doesn’t answer why women’s sport is not comparable yet football is

 

[ND-13]

Some were, until recently

Both Nadal and Fed won at that age

again, read a little

Your logic fails man

The ask is which 35 or 36 year old outside of the big 3 is winning.

Take a break

 

[GabeT]

That doesn’t answer why women’s sport is not comparable yet football is

You were comparing records, not whether players can still play at high levels in their 30s. Do you need me to explain the difference?

 

[GabeT]

Your logic fails man

The ask is which 35 or 36 year old outside of the big 3 is winning.

Take a break

Sweetie, there’s a reason why the Big 3 are what they are

again, read a little

 

[ND-13]

You were comparing records, not whether players can still play at high levels in their 30s. Do you need me to explain the difference?

You don’t need to do anything . It is there for everyone to see that other sports are relevant when convenient

 

[ND-13]

Sweetie, there’s a reason why the Big 3 are what they are

again, read a little

No 31-36 aged tennis player won 12 majors . It is anomaly .

Whether that is because Djokovic is extra special
Or he feasted is open for interpretation

But Federer and Nadal’s career paralleled other greats and it was not an anomaly.

 

[GabeT]

You don’t need to do anything . It is there for everyone to see that other sports are relevant when convenient

You still don’t get it.

you can’t compare records across different sports because they are different sports. But you can notice, as many have, that elite athletes are now aging much better than they used to and maintain elite levels even in their late 30s

again, read a little

 

[ND-13]

You still don’t get it.

you can’t compare records across different sports because they are different sports. But you can notice, as many have, that elite athletes are now aging much better than they used to and maintain elite levels even in their late 30s

again, read a little

Please come back when tennis produces 31-36 aged player winning double digit majors

Until then , adios

 

[GabeT]

No 31-36 aged tennis player won 12 majors . It is anomaly .

Whether that is because Djokovic is extra special
Or he feasted is open for interpretation

But Federer and Nadal’s career paralleled other greats and it was not an anomaly.

Nadal won 8 and could have won more


Djokovic has the slams, WTF, masters, weeks at #1 and YE1 records. Of course he is extra special

 

[GabeT]

Please come back when tennis produces 31-36 aged player winning double digit majors

Until then , adios

He’s the greatest champion in the history of the sport

again, read a little

 

[zakopinjo]

There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that Djokovic started focusing on majors in his 30’s but the following are facts :

Age 17-30 : 12 majors or Age 20-30 - 12 majors (since first major win)
Age 31-36 : 12 majors

That is a complete anomaly and it is completely rational and logical folks wonder why.

Federer won more Masters in his 30s than Novak.

 

[ND-13]

Nadal won 8 and could have won more


Djokovic has the slams, WTF, masters, weeks at #1 and YE1 records. Of course he is extra special

Or feasted ..

Nadal winning little over 50% of what he achieved pre 30 is not same as Djokovic winning as much in the 5 year period starting age 31, as what he did 13 years prior is not comparable

 

[Hitman]

You still don’t get it.

you can’t compare records across different sports because they are different sports. But you can notice, as many have, that elite athletes are now aging much better than they used to and maintain elite levels even in their late 30s

again, read a little

He's basically saying it took a one of a kind player, a GOAT if you might, to pull off winning double digit slams in his 20s and his 30s. No other player could do it. Incredible.

 

[GabeT]

Or feasted ..

Nadal winning little over 50% of what he achieved pre 30 is not same as Djokovic winning as much in the 5 year period starting age 31, as what he did 13 years prior is not comparable

If he’s the only one that feasted..maybe that tells you something?

again, read a little

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Margaret Court might disagree. Sure, different times and circumstances, yadda, yadda. She still occasionally is given a nod for her numbers (which are still targeted), but is barely mentioned in the discussion of which woman actually has been the greatest player.

That has other reasons though.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Truth is that Federer and Nadal will be viewed as losers in the future by next gen of fans who never watched them play. As you mentioned, without the highs and lows and experience of watching them all the next gen kids will only see numbers..

Djokovic sitting at the top of the slams tally and rank 1 stats essentially means he will be seen as the winner and the other 2 guys as losers.

Posters like @abmk are just in pain but their pain will never end..

Whoever in the future views 20+ winners as losers is a clueless idiot. So everything other than being statistical GOAT is loser?