Djokovic will play in Geneva 1 week before RG

NoleFam said:
Or as he said, an anomaly. Of course it's an anomaly if he's better than everybody else.
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Isn't the one who is meant to be the GOAT, meant to be the anomaly? The one who doesn't conform with what fits all the other ATGs, because he isn't one of them? Interesting....

Was Neo the anomaly in The Matrix? The One?
 
Hitman said:
Isn't the one who is meant to be the GOAT, meant to be the anomaly? The one who doesn't conform with what fits all the other ATGs, because he isn't one of them? Interesting....

Was Neo the anomaly in The Matrix? The One?
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I mean, that's what I would think. The GOAT would be the one who doesn't fit the norm and is the deviation from everyone else. That's what would make him the GOAT in the 1st place.
 
NoleFam said:
I mean, that's what I would think. The GOAT would be the one who doesn't fit the norm and is the deviation from everyone else. That's what would make him the GOAT in the 1st place.
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Makes logical sense. GOAT is meant to be seen as different, someone who cannot fit the traditional way, the one who breaks the norm, the accepted traditional way, breaks the barriers of what is possible, but something that cannot be followed by anyone else, because he is in essence, not the chosen one....he is the only one. The GOAT. (y)
 
Hitman said:
Isn't the one who is meant to be the GOAT, meant to be the anomaly? The one who doesn't conform with what fits all the other ATGs, because he isn't one of them? Interesting....

Was Neo the anomaly in The Matrix? The One?
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NoleFam said:
I mean, that's what I would think. The GOAT would be the one who doesn't fit the norm and is the deviation from everyone else. That's what would make him the GOAT in the 1st place.
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That's it, Novak is the only tennis player who throughout his entire career was able to regularly win and reach the finals of all 4 slams.
 
Hitman said:
Makes logical sense. GOAT is meant to be seen as different, someone who cannot fit the traditional way, the one who breaks the norm, the accepted traditional way, breaks the barriers of what is possible, but something that cannot be followed by anyone else, because he is in essence, not the chosen one....he is the only one. The GOAT. (y)
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Pretty much yes. Is anyone going to be able to be the athlete he was at 34-36? We haven't seen it before yet people want to make it all about level of competition. He's broken pretty much every barrier in tennis yet people still think that what he's done can be argued against.
 
NoleFam said:
Pretty much yes. Is anyone going to be able to be the athlete he was at 34-36? We haven't seen it before yet people want to make it all about level of competition. He's broken pretty much every barrier in tennis yet people still think that what he's done can be argued against.
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Was it truly just multiple generations of clown players, or did we just see a one of a kind freakish player of the likes we have not seen before and likely will not again? He wins - see he is winning more, the competition is weak. He loses - see, this is what he was lacking, strong competition. He wins again - these players are just so weak, they cannot keep it going. LOL

No, Djokovic is the part of equation that wasn't meant to be solved, because he doesn't fit in with the others. GOATs are meant to be the stand outs. :)
 
Kralingen said:
All the more concerning that a world #1 was unable to outperform the world #305 :oops:
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Geneva’s elevation is an intriguing bit of nuance here. I remember Jarry-Ruud being a bit of a serve fest this time last year, it’s not quite Madrid level but it plays quicker than RG, Lyon would be closer to RG conditions.
 
Hitman said:
Was it truly just multiple generations of clown players, or did we just see a one of a kind freakish player of the likes we have not seen before and likely will not again? He wins - see he is winning more, the competition is weak. He loses - see, this is what he was lacking, strong competition. He wins again - these players are just so weak, they cannot keep it going. LOL

No, Djokovic is the part of equation that wasn't meant to be solved, because he doesn't fit in with the others. GOATs are meant to be the stand outs. :)
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Well they said last year after Wimbledon that he was finally facing real competition and then once he won the next 4 tournaments, it was weak again. It's hard to keep up. Lol. I tend to think he was a genetic and athletic freak, who was addicted to winning and did everything from diet to training to be at the top of his abilities.

Playing against GOAT level players—he wins. Playing against players 10, 15 and 16 years younger—he wins. Playing against the crowds 80% of the time—he wins. Playing on any surface or condition—he wins. What else needs to be said?
 
NoleFam said:
Well they said last year after Wimbledon that he was finally facing real competition and then once he won the next 4 tournaments, it was weak again. It's hard to keep up. Lol. I tend to think he was a genetic and athletic freak, who was addicted to winning and did everything from diet to training to be at the top of his abilities.

Playing against GOAT level players—he wins. Playing against players 10, 15 and 16 years younger—he wins. Playing against the crowds 80% of the time—he wins. Playing on any surface or condition—he wins. What else needs to be said?
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Only here does winning more actually get used against you. LOL

When the guy has practically all the records, what are we debating again? That someone else is better? :) :X3:
 
If he is the GOAT, wonder why he couldn’t win as much in the first 13 years of his career ?

Why did it take for Fed, Nadal, Stan and Murray to all wind down and use the 5 year period with Tsitsipas , Anderson, Kyrgios , Berretini era ?

Strange , isn’t it ?
 
ND-13 said:
If he is the GOAT, wonder why he couldn’t win as much in the first 13 years of his career ?

Why did it take for Fed, Nadal, Stan and Murray to all wind down and use the 5 year period with Tsitsipas , Anderson, Kyrgios , Berretini era ?

Strange , isn’t it ?
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Because you are under the assumption that he can only be at his best at a certain age. Did it not occur to you that he actually started playing less as he aged, allowing himself to peak only for slams, instead of reaching the final every week like he used to? Did you not stop to think that it wasn't until he was 23 that he figured out his gluten intolerance and how it sapped his energy, and something he then worked on changing? Did it not occur to you that while he was younger, he was also given really bad advise in training, the way Todd Martin changed his serving which impacted his game and overall career?

Nah, surely it is ONLY because your favorite wasn't at his best anymore.
 
NoleFam said:
Oh gosh, he won another Slam. These players are so hilariously weak. Statpadder. Lol.
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Statpadding, bean counting, in this career inflation era, no scratch that, in this hyper career inflation era.

Djokovic just proves my point on how he is a vulture by continuing to win all those slams! The more he wins, the more he shows how isn't the GOAT.
 
Hitman said:
Statpadding, bean counting, in this career inflation era, no scratch that, in this hyper career inflation era.

Djokovic just proves my point on how he is a vulture by continuing to win all those slams! The more he wins, the more he shows how isn't the GOAT.
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Yep, that's it. It makes zero sense to me as well but that's their main argument and what they are sticking to.
 
Hitman said:
Because you are under the assumption that he can only be at his best at a certain age. Did it not occur to you that he actually started playing less as he aged, allowing himself to peak only for slams, instead of reaching the final every week like he used to? Did you not stop to think that it wasn't until he was 23 that he figured out his gluten intolerance and how it sapped his energy, and something he then worked on changing? Did it not occur to you that while he was younger, he was also given really bad advise in training, the way Todd Martin changed his serving which impacted his game and overall career?

Nah, surely it is ONLY because your favorite wasn't at his best anymore.
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I am looking forward to more Djokovic success in his 40’s and 50’s , LOL
 
Hitman said:
Imagine been torn down because you are winning. Djokovic's legacy would have been better off if he just lost first week like Murray has been doing. LOL
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Or not being able to win Wimbledon after the age of 24, or not being able to win the USO after the age of 27, or needing your rival to be deported to win the AO after 13 years. That makes you a better player though it seems...
 
NoleFam said:
Or not being able to win Wimbledon after the age of 24, or not being able to win the USO after the age of 27, or needing your rival to be deported to win the AO after 13 years. That makes you a better player though it seems...
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Or not making a RG final until you are 24 and losing your first 11 professional matches on clay, or losing multiple Wimbledons in a row in your 20s to players ranked outside the top 100.....these things also make you a better player. Great achievements from your so called peak years. (y) (y)
 
Hitman said:
Or not making a RG final until you are 24 and losing your first 11 professional matches on clay, or losing multiple Wimbledons in a row in your 20s to players ranked outside the top 100.....these things also make you a better player. Great achievements from your so called peak years. (y) (y)
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Lol I concur.
 
The odd thing about Nole's decision is that he thinks he needs match play.

Roland Garros is BO5, and as it's been for the last 8 years, Nadal/Djokovic are the favorites to win the title regardless of their match play or level of play heading into the tournament.
 
Hitman said:
Murray could do it, if he is playing there. Exciting times.
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He won't. Djoko won't lose to guys like Murray or Rafa or maybe even Alcaraz ever again. I said this before the Tabilo loss and it's even more true now: his biggest vulnerability is to the early-round redliners. When he sees a peer, he's not losing that match. When he's beyond the R16 he's not losing that match.
 
Rosstour said:
He won't. Djoko won't lose to guys like Murray or Rafa or maybe even Alcaraz ever again. I said this before the Tabilo loss and it's even more true now: his biggest vulnerability is to the early-round redliners. When he sees a peer, he's not losing that match. When he's beyond the R16 he's not losing that match.
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But he lost to Sinner in the last slam.
 
Not just Djokovic but I'm worried about a lot of guys going into RG. Alcaraz and his forehand issues, Sinner's hip, Nadal's everything, Djokovic mentally.

This has the potential to be one of the most intriguing French Opens in years if all 4 of these guys were healthy but it seems like all 4 are right on the cusp of being a non factor at RG or not playing at all/having to withdraw at some point with any little thing that can go wrong.
 
the real question is where he will have lunch with roger. i think roger can get novak out of this slump it will be just like rocky 3 when apollo trains balboa in a slum land except it will be geneva. novak needs his eye of the tiger back
 
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GabeT said:
Just check here at TTW which player has the most commented on match threads

it’s funny to read posters say they dislike Novak and then they can’t control themselves and are active in all his match threads.

they can’t help themselves
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There's no such thing as bad publicity - if you can't be popular it's far better to be infamous than boring if you want to generate attention. NK
 
Kralingen said:
Geneva’s elevation is an intriguing bit of nuance here. I remember Jarry-Ruud being a bit of a serve fest this time last year, it’s not quite Madrid level but it plays quicker than RG, Lyon would be closer to RG conditions.
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It is interesting. I might be wrong but I seem to remember Stan playing this tournament a fair bit? Of course that was geographic convenience as much as anything.
 
weakera said:
He needs to stop attention seeking and just quietly hit the practice courts.
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He's already inside every brigade's head. He doesn't need to seek attention. The brigade seek him. Exhibit A: you're the first one to reply. Every brigade member is crying in this thread.
 
If his motivation is still there to win big titles and he is healthy, why the uncharacteristically bad play against Tabilo (and Nardi) this year? This season has been a puzzle.

I am not one to believe he lost the urge to win other tournaments outside of Slams suddenly after he won Cinci, Bercy and Turin to finish last year in addition to the USO. I still don’t know what is going on with him this year, but it looks like he feels he didn’t get enough reps in before the FO.
 
socallefty said:
If his motivation is still there to win big titles and he is healthy, why the uncharacteristically bad play against Tabilo (and Nardi) this year? This season has been a puzzle.

I am not one to believe he lost the urge to win other tournaments outside of Slams suddenly after he won Cinci, Bercy and Turin to finish last year in addition to the USO. I still don’t know what is going on with him this year, but it looks like he feels he didn’t get enough reps in before the FO.
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No

The clay season is tiring. You can't exhaust limited energy left at 37 bothering playing clay tournaments. His strategy is very transparent. Just like 2023. Give GOOD effort in Rome and then peak for rg.

He is still the top contender by oddsmakers for Wimbledon USOpen and AO.

Only rg he is behind Alcaraz.

So the slams is where he wants to peak.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Give GOOD effort in Rome and then peak for rg.
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I agree. The question is why did he badly get outclassed by Tabilo who is not a highly ranked player? He said he was fine after the bottle dropping on his head and there was no head/brain damage in the scan taken after. That is a cause for concern.
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
Whoever in the future views 20+ winners as losers is a clueless idiot. So everything other than being statistical GOAT is loser?
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Whoever is not the slams leader will definitely be having a lower stature, how low is that only time will tell..
 
socallefty said:
I agree. The question is why did he badly get outclassed by Tabilo who is not a highly ranked player? He said he was fine after the bottle dropping on his head and there was no head/brain damage in the scan taken after. That is a cause for concern.
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No
He said he felt fine. He was or not, it's difficult to say.
 
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