Djokovic will win Rome and Roland Garros this year
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JackReacher
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Even in last year's Roland Garros when it rained on BOTH DAYS, Dj still didn't have the skill to beat Nadal. Dj has no chance at Roland Garros. Roland Garros is all for Nadal and Dimitrov. Those 2 guys will meet in about 5 Roland Garros finals. Get ready for the next big rivalry.
beast of mallorca
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Murray will beat the crap out of your Feddy Bear...........:twisted:
Steve0904
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Even you don't believe that! Come on now :twisted:
uliks
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No NSK you are wrong. Monday was sunny, hot and dry. Almost a beach atmosphere that day on Chatrier.
RF20Lennon
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I was under the impression Donald Young was a lock for the next 25 slams??
Zildite
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What difference does that make, if he did well here it would take a lot of pressure off defending the points he does have.
If Nadal wins he is only about 100 points behind Djokovic in the race rankings.
Mike Sams
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I know. I'm just making excuses for Djokovic. And if Nadal loses, he'll make excuses about how he's still lacking practice. :lol:
tennisbuck
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Poor attempt at trolling or sarcasm not sure which.
MichaelNadal
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Herios
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I really like the way that sounds
Yeah, and Nadal in fall usually is run down by the other guys, because he is either injured or tired by the long season. This year will be even worse, because he played more in spring. He doesn't last more than 8 months.
Relinquis
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MichaelNadal
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After the 2nd round of Wimbledon, he can only gain points. I like his chances.
veroniquem
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Madrid is not very relevant to RG (because of the altitude). I've said from the start Rome will give us a better idea of where things stand. It's also Nole's best clay event usually, so if he doesn't do well there this year, it's not a very good sign for his RG form but the Madrid loss by itself really doesn't mean much afaic.
Tennis_tennis
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Madrid.loss is in fact not good for Djoker. I don't think Murray has any chance on clay tool. I guess Madrid is either federer's or Rafa's now
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It's not good for his ranking points, that's for sure but I would agree that it could be a blessing in disguise in terms of not burning out by RG.
Fiji
Legend
It means nothing.
He has such a cushion in the points that even that is basically irrelevant. Especially if he takes care of business at Rome and Roland Garros - he'll more than make up for the few points he lost this week (which wasn't much since he lost earlier than his norm at Madrid last year I believe).
The main thing for Djokovic is to have that ankle as healthy as possible for the French Open.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think Djokovic will win Rome and RG this year. He is more likely to be upset on clay in an earlier round than Nadal is as we have just seen from his loss to Dimitrov.
JohnnyMac Fan!
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We will have to see how Dimitrov performs in Madrid. He has proven to be a competent clay player, almost beating Nadal at MC. And him alone can make some changes when predicting scenarios for the rest of the season.
The rise of this youngster or others could possible change the arena...maybe.
My feeling is that relying on top players stats alone is a big mistake. They can be taken down regardless of stats by new comers.
Can Djoker win, absolutely. Is it a done deal...heck no. Could Nadal win RG? Possible. Done deal? Heck no.
Too many variables. Nadal isn't playing as he was, and Djoker although consistent, not to the levels of his last 2 previous years (my opinion)
cheers
The rise of this youngster or others could possible change the arena...maybe.
My feeling is that relying on top players stats alone is a big mistake. They can be taken down regardless of stats by new comers.
Can Djoker win, absolutely. Is it a done deal...heck no. Could Nadal win RG? Possible. Done deal? Heck no.
Too many variables. Nadal isn't playing as he was, and Djoker although consistent, not to the levels of his last 2 previous years (my opinion)
cheers
NatF
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Gaining points after Wimbledon is pretty irrelevant. He's so far behind that unless there's huge losses from Djokovic throughout the year he's still going to have to win ALOT to make up for it. It's only going to matter at the end of the year most likely. He's also played a lot of tournaments and gone deep in all of them. It's going to add up by the end of Wimbledon.
JohnnyMac Fan!
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pds999
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Should be Rafa as this is a horrible match up for Fed as we all know (altitude aside) and he is on the slide now anyway as we have seen.
pds999
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We will have to see how Dimitrov performs in Madrid. He has proven to be a competent clay player, almost beating Nadal at MC. And him alone can make some changes when predicting scenarios for the rest of the season.
The rise of this youngster or others could possible change the arena...maybe.
My feeling is that relying on top players stats alone is a big mistake. They can be taken down regardless of stats by new comers.
Can Djoker win, absolutely. Is it a done deal...heck no. Could Nadal win RG? Possible. Done deal? Heck no.
Too many variables. Nadal isn't playing as he was, and Djoker although consistent, not to the levels of his last 2 previous years (my opinion)
cheers
Agreed. Rafa is far from his peak at present. That said, in a best of 5 sets at RG you would still have to favour him against anyone, including Djokovic (unless it rains).
JohnnyMac Fan!
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True...but 5 setters also heavily depends on mental fortitude and drive to win against tough opponents. Rafa showed some inconsistencies more so than before in MC. Tsonga game was a good example but there were others.
This is actually troublesome for him as his dexterity is not as sharp as before nor his speed and accuracy (still plenty thought). But Younger Nadal was something to behold. Truly a wrecking machine even for Djoker. Haha even if others do not agree.
The dangerous part is that Dimitrov is accurate and fast and fights for every point. This alone isn't enough as it also needs to put all this within context at play. Use proper strategy specially change it when things do not go well and be mentally strategically flexible.
2014 will be a very interesting year for Dimitrov. Rafa, Djoko, Muzza, Rog will have to pay close attention as this boy can shake things up a bit
veroniquem
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How is Rafa "far from his peak"? He's already won 4 titles (more than anyone else this year). When has he ever had a better start of the season? (other than not playing AO)
JohnnyMac Fan!
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Don't get it wrong. Him playing well doesn't mean he is on peak which he isn't. He has been slightly changing his game to accommodate his older explosive game which he simply can not keep up. He is playing smarter than before and he understand strategy which has helped him greatly.
Is not the same been at 26-27 than abilities when been 21-22. He is more or less within the age when some of of his skill decline in sharpness start.
Great players understand this and usually try be flexible. This is to compensate for their diminishing qualities that are inherit aspects of been younger.
One player that struggled with this was my favorite player like Johnny Mac while Agassi was the opposite and thrived at his elder years on tour. Mac just could change or adapt to an era of play that was changing.
Nothing is black and white and many variable need be taken under consideration.
Cheers!
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Nathaniel_Near
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Oh, I see! Thanks for the wisdom and foresight OP. Let's all look forward tremendously to bumping this thread when the time comes.
Clarky21
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If you actually have to ask this question, you prove even further that you're clueless, and have no idea what's going on.
JohnnyMac Fan!
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I think Clarky understands clearly what is going on. I still root for Rafa... but will have to see in a few months time to disect the tone of Rafa's future and patterns!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Is he? Good for him.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I agree with the variable thingy. I think some aspects of the game get worse, others actually get better. As long as the balance works, results will follow as Nadal's 2013 has shown so far.Don't get it wrong. Him playing well doesn't mean he is on peak which he isn't. He has been slightly changing his game to accommodate his older explosive game which he simply can not keep up. He is playing smarter than before and he understand strategy which has helped him greatly.
Is not the same been at 26-27 than abilities when been 21-22. He is more or less within the age when some of of his skill decline in sharpness start.
Great players understand this and usually try be flexible. This is to compensate for their diminishing qualities that are inherit aspects of been younger.
One player that struggled with this was my favorite player like Johnny Mac while Agassi was the opposite and thrived at his elder years on tour. Mac just could change or adapt to an era of play that was changing.
Nothing is black and white and many variable need be taken under consideration.
Cheers!
The year he won Australia for starters.
Oz is worth more than all four of the tournaments he's won this year. Indian Wells is the only one of any real significance. Without Rafa, the "golden swing" garners very little attention. And, he lost at perhaps his most beloved tournament this year.
So, no, he's not at his peak and he has had better starts to seasons. Winning some tournaments that he would have never even considered playing in under normal circumstances doesn't mean that much.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It's pretty usual for him to have 1 master title by the start of Madrid, so this year, it's IW instead of M-C, so what? The only time he started the year better is 2009, 2nd best start of his career: not bad for a non peak year.
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JackReacher
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I bet if Nadal could choose between Barcelona-Madrid-Rome-RG and MC-Barcelona-Rome-RG, he'd choose the Madrid title, because its the clay Masters event he's struggled with most. Plus I think it will be fitting if he ends up having more Roland Garros titles than Monte Carlo titles (or the same, 8 each by June).
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
If he wins Madrid, then there'll be no more possible discussion. 2 master titles + 1 final, about as good as it gets for Rafa and much better in masters than anyone else this year
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Nadal will give it all back in a second for the AO.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Trying too hard eh.......:twisted:
Fiji
Legend
Roland Garros is played on clay, not hc. IW is irrelevant as a tuneup for RG. Even if he wins Madrid, it is irrelevant since it plays nothing like RG and he hasn't beaten Djokovic on clay. If Djokovic beats Nadal in Rome, it will be another omen for RG like the MC final.
FedExpress17
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Hopefully the ankle will be ok
Clarky21
Banned
Hopefully the ankle will be ok
There's nothing wrong with his ankle.
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