Djokovic will win Rome and Roland Garros this year

I love your optimism mrs clarky ;) and people call you pessimistic :) Thanks for raising my spirits there, seeing Djokovic tweak the ankle in his latest match had me slightly worried i must admit :(
 
Fiji said:
Tanking Madrid was a great move. Djokovic will be fresh for Roland Garros.
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Are you kidding me djokovic tanked the match and great move you must me on some dogfood. Plz think before you post something, djokovic would have have loved to win madrid so he can gain that extra confidence on the way to roland garros. djokovic tanked the match hahhhaa your cute
 
He won't win RG. He might win rome but at RG Fed will tire him out in the semis over 5 sets and he will lose in straight sets to Rafa in the final.
 
dgbeclih600 said:
Are you kidding me djokovic tanked the match and great move you must me on some dogfood. Plz think before you post something, djokovic would have have loved to win madrid so he can gain that extra confidence on the way to roland garros. djokovic tanked the match hahhhaa your cute
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I must certainly concur with this as well!
 
Isn't Rome starting like next week? If so, Rafa won't win as he "proved" in the past, when Novak wasn't even #1.
 
Fiji said:
. If Djokovic beats Nadal in Rome, it will be another omen for RG like the MC final.
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I would agree if 2011 had not happened but in 2011 Nadal lost to Novak in straight sets in 2 masters and he still won RG. What does that teach me? That teaches me that no matter how well Novak plays on clay, he's more vulnerable on that surface than Rafa. I also think that it's hard to derive absolute certainties from best of 3 for a best of 5. I think they both have a chance if they meet in Rome or RG. But Rafa is less liable than Novak to an upset vs someone else. That's the truth. And I like Novak. I'm not trying to put him down. Just being objective.
Of course, for Rafa, it's better to have a win vs Novak before RG than 0, that's obvious. But it still wouldn't mean Rafa CAN'T win RG. We know that since it's already happened. (and I also don't believe that Rafa would have necessarily lost to Djoko in RG 2011, I know some people do but I don't and we'll never know, so I won't bother arguing that particular point).
ETA: also Djoko has his worst clay history vs Nadal at RG: 0-4
 
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veroniquem said:
I would agree if 2011 had not happened but in 2011 Nadal lost to Novak in straight sets in 2 masters and he still won RG. What does that teach me? That teaches me that no matter how well Novak plays on clay, he's more vulnerable on that surface than Rafa. I also think that it's hard to derive absolute certainties from best of 3 for a best of 5. I think they both have a chance if they meet in Rome or RG. But Rafa is less liable than Novak to an upset vs someone else. That's the truth. And I like Novak. I'm not trying to put him down. Just being objective.
Of course, for Rafa, it's better to have a win vs Novak before RG than 0, that's obvious. But it still wouldn't mean Rafa CAN'T win RG. We know that since it's already happened. (and I also don't believe that Rafa would have necessarily lost to Djoko in RG 2011, I know some people do but I don't and we'll never know, so I won't bother arguing that particular point).
ETA: also Djoko has his worst clay history vs Nadal at RG: 0-4
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I can agree with plenty here. There is some aspects I will add. The ability to rise to the situation is one. This alone can break any stats or preconceptions.

If that weren't the case then there wouldn't ever be any upsets! Nadal does have an ability to improve when pressure hits him. Where he can be hindered is when his physical can't match his will to win or when going against someone of equal caliber going through a similar situation. Then is about smart choices and even a bit of luck.

Mentally for Rafa beating Novak in Rome would be a boost. But.. it shouldn't be a deal breaker even if he were to loose. Actually that alone can bring emotions of perseverance which brings hunger and fighting spirit. Technical qualities can offset this to a degree. This was displayed during the 2012 tour in which his determination was palpable.

Most people tend to rely on stats as I have mention prior (Including Vero..), and thought they are important, the future events aren't bound by them. So in conclusion both player have the potential to win even if not playing at their best here or Rome.

The feeling of a GS is altogether a whole different thing, and a player spirit and passion can break stats and expectations.

Cheers:)
 
Well, it's not like Novak cannot rise to the occasion in a slam either. He's starting to have some experience with that but ITA that Rafa loses due to physical (or technical) issues, not mental. Rafa's mental is one of the very best in tennis history.
 
veroniquem said:
Well, it's not like Novak cannot rise to the occasion in a slam either. He's starting to have some experience with that but ITA that Rafa loses due to physical (or technical) issues, not mental. Rafa's mental is one of the very best in tennis history.
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Yes, that is the point precisely!:)
 
I would say the opposite actually: if Djoko doesn't do well in Rome, he can kiss bye bye to this clay season. It would be highly unlikely for Djoko to score his best result in RG if he botches Madrid and Rome back to back. So imo there is much more pressure on Djoko to perform well in Rome. Rafa already performed well in M-C and Madrid (going deep in both)
 
veroniquem said:
I would say the opposite actually: if Djoko doesn't do well in Rome, he can kiss bye bye to this clay season. It would be highly unlikely for Djoko to score his best result in RG if he botches Madrid and Rome back to back. So imo there is much more pressure on Djoko to perform well in Rome. Rafa already performed well in M-C and Madrid (going deep in both)
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I hear you and sympathize. Will have to see how Rome unravels and then maybe we can have a better sensible idea of how things could turn out for Djokovich and Rafa. However, Djoker still a dangerous opponent.
 
I thought he looked good today. I think just being with this crowd rather than that of Madrid makes it 10x better.

I'd put money on him making it a close SF with Rafa.
 
T-Noone said:
I thought he looked good today. I think just being with this crowd rather than that of Madrid makes it 10x better.

I'd put money on him making it a close SF with Rafa.
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I wonder how the Italians feel about Novak now that he's switched sponsors. He switched after last year's tournament, where he wore the sponsor's clothes and the French when he switched to Uni.
 
the fans want to watch tennis..do you really think they are going to walk out en masse or boo djokovic just because he dared to change his kit sponsors. :confused:
 
bullfan said:
I wonder how the Italians feel about Novak now that he's switched sponsors. He switched after last year's tournament, where he wore the sponsor's clothes and the French when he switched to Uni.
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Meh, I doubt there's gonna be that much resentment if any, at the very least they won't give him the treatment classy Madrid clowd did which should be enough.
 
zagor said:
Meh, I doubt there's gonna be that much resentment if any, at the very least they won't give him the treatment classy Madrid clowd did which should be enough.
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Oh, I don't think that there will be much difference, but you never know. He's switched from an Italian clothing sponsor to an Asian sponsor.
 
T-Noone said:
I thought he looked good today. I think just being with this crowd rather than that of Madrid makes it 10x better.

I'd put money on him making it a close SF with Rafa.
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Yes I hope this semi happens at least. Dolgo is quite unpredictable but I can't imagine Berd beating Novak on clay, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the blockbuster semi is a lock! (and yes that crowd was refreshingly nice. It seems some fans made the trip because they were cheering throughout the match. His parents looked super tense though. Not sure why because the match went very smoothly).
 
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Fiji said:
Madrid plays nothing like Roland Garros. Djokovic knows playing Madrid is a waste of time. It's not even real clay like Rome and Roland Garros. Now watch Djokovic win the clay titles that matter, Rome and Roland Garros. Plus he won Monte Carlo already. True clay tournaments.
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Dj now knows playing Rome was a waste of time. And Dj has a better record in Rome than at Roland Garros. So Roland Garros is definitely a waste of time for Dj.
 
veroniquem said:
Yes I hope this semi happens at least. Dolgo is quite unpredictable but I can't imagine Berd beating Novak on clay, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the blockbuster semi is a lock! (and yes that crowd was refreshingly nice. It seems some fans made the trip because they were cheering throughout the match. His parents looked super tense though. Not sure why because the match went very smoothly).
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Speaking of parents, at the Rome QF today, I saw Nadal's parents sitting side by side and Nadal's mother was smiling the whole time.
 
JackReacher said:
13-1 h2h gave you no choice. I wonder if it will begin a trend of Berd troubling Dj, just as Berd turned the Berderer h2h around.
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Djoko is in deep trouble vs way more than Berd. He's lost prematurely (without reaching final) in 4 masters out of 5 (and that's more than half the masters of the season) and he lost to 4 different players and not top players to boot: Delpo and Berd but also Haas and Dimi. He's lost his confidence or he's feeling wearout and whatever it is, the more he loses, the worse it's gonna become. I expect him to come back strong at some point. But it may take some time. It's amazing how he still managed to "own" Rafa (straight set win) in the midst of that spiralling downfall.
 
veroniquem said:
Djoko is in deep trouble vs way more than Berd. He's lost prematurely (without reaching final) in 4 masters out of 5 (and that's more than half the masters of the season) and he lost to 4 different players and not top players to boot: Delpo and Berd but also Haas and Dimi. He's lost his confidence or he's feeling wearout and whatever it is, the more he loses, the worse it's gonna become. I expect him to come back strong at some point. But it may take some time. It's amazing how he still managed to "own" Rafa (straight set win) in the midst of that spiralling downfall.
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Dj has become an Australian Open specialist. Or basically, 2011 was the only time he reached the FEDAL level. If this trend continues, I sure would enjoy seeing Nadal dethrone Dj at the AO, just for fun :D
 
veroniquem said:
Djoko is in deep trouble vs way more than Berd. He's lost prematurely (without reaching final) in 4 masters out of 5 (and that's more than half the masters of the season) and he lost to 4 different players and not top players to boot: Delpo and Berd but also Haas and Dimi. He's lost his confidence or he's feeling wearout and whatever it is, the more he loses, the worse it's gonna become. I expect him to come back strong at some point. But it may take some time. It's amazing how he still managed to "own" Rafa (straight set win) in the midst of that spiralling downfall.
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I am laughing out loud, every time I read your efforts to predict anything, that isn't Nadal, winning on clay, and behaving, like you understand, what you are talking about.

Let us have a little fun here.

Predict where and when will Djokovic "come back strong".

I am saying, that he will come back strong at RG.

Your turn.
 
Dj sure had trouble coming back strong in 2012, that's for sure. He seems to lack fight.
 
veroniquem said:
I won't rule it out 100% but I believe it will take longer.
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HAHAHA

Didn't you just predicted downward spiral for Djokovic?

veroniquem said:
..... the more he loses, the worse it's gonna become. I expect him to come back strong at some point. But it may take some time. It's amazing how he still managed to "own" Rafa (straight set win) in the midst of that spiralling downfall.
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How come, that he will be at the final of RG, if that is the case?

You are embarassing yourself with the sort of "knowledge", that you display.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
HAHAHA

Didn't you just predicted downward spiral for Djokovic?



How come, that he will be at the final of RG, if that is the case?

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That was not a prediction. That was a description of what has happened to Djoko since IW. It is less than certain at this point that Djoko will be in the final of RG. Not even sure if it's "likely". He will need a soft draw.
 
Rafa better win RG this year. I'm going to Mallorca this July, and I prefer to served by friendly muchachos and senioritas when I sit on a restaurant by the beach.
 
veroniquem said:
That was not a prediction. That was a description of what has happened to Djoko since IW. It is less than certain at this point that Djoko will be in the final of RG. Not even sure if it's "likely". He will need a soft draw.
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I think Nole is frightened for his ankle. He did play well against Rafa in MC final, but really hasn't done much else other than AO. Maybe he only cares about slam count now.
 
bullfan said:
I think Nole is frightened for his ankle. He did play well against Rafa in MC final, but really hasn't done much else other than AO. Maybe he only cares about slam count now.
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Dj's main goal of 2012 was Roland Garros. It doesn't seem to matter what he cares about, he can only win Australia. And after seeing him take 6 hours to beat Nadal there, he should be worried if Nadal chooses to play the AO in 2014.
 
veroniquem said:
That was not a prediction. That was a description of what has happened to Djoko since IW. It is less than certain at this point that Djoko will be in the final of RG. Not even sure if it's "likely". He will need a soft draw.
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Do you even read your own posts?

You said, that the more he loses the worse its gonna become.

Well, guess what, he lost "more", so, according to your post from a couple of hours ago, it will become worse for Djokovic.

You also said, that he will come back at some point, but it may take some time.

If by "some time" you mean "by the end of the next tournament" that is the loosest meaning, I have ever come across for that phrase in the English language.

I thought, that that is your native language, yet, you are unable to express yourself properly in it.

I will go on a limb here and say, that you (with your newfound incarnation of a "expert", who is right, because he knows things), are trying to pass a foggy suggestions for a knowledge.

Unfortunately for you, you are not able to disguise your absense of knowledge and your utmost fanboyism. Something, that is shown in your wishful thinking, that Djokovic will do bad at RG.

Well you are in for surprise, because Djokovic will do well at RG.

I am still waiting for you "expert" opinion on what will Djokovic's performance at RG be.

I already stated, that I expect, that he will be in the final.

What is your pick?
 
JackReacher said:
Dj's main goal of 2012 was Roland Garros. It doesn't seem to matter what he cares about, he can only win Australia. And after seeing him take 6 hours to beat Nadal there, he should be worried if Nadal chooses to play the AO in 2014.
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That AO was a big reason why Nadal missed USO and was not ready for AO. Djokovic pretty much denied Nadal three slams, not bad for six hours work. Also prevented him from reclaiming number one.

If Nadal chooses to play him again in AO, Nadal can say bye-bye to another three slams, and have his death foretold statement ready for when he faces a player ranked 100 at Wimbledon.
 
JackReacher said:
Dj's main goal of 2012 was Roland Garros. It doesn't seem to matter what he cares about, he can only win Australia. And after seeing him take 6 hours to beat Nadal there, he should be worried if Nadal chooses to play the AO in 2014.
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If I have to choose between Novak and Rafa and decide on which player has the worse physical injury, it would most likely be Rafa.

I think Rafa has suffered much worse physical injury compared to Novak.

Novak hurt his ankle once, or twice. Nadal's injury is caused by the accumulated, compounded abuse that he placed on his knees for the last 6~7 years.

So in the long run, or in the forseeable next 2~3 years, i see Novak continue to assert his dominance over Rafa.
 
maruzo said:
If I have to choose between Novak and Rafa and decide on which player has the worse physical injury, it would most likely be Rafa.

I think Rafa has suffered much worse physical injury compared to Novak.

Novak hurt his ankle once, or twice. Nadal's injury is caused by the accumulated, compounded abuse that he placed on his knees for the last 6~7 years.

So in the long run, or in the forseeable next 2~3 years, i see Novak continue to assert his dominance over Rafa.
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That's not true. It's from a congenital bone injury in his foot that threatened to keep him out of tennis before he even got started. It was discovered before the 2003 French Open in which he didn't participate. This is what creates the problem with his knees. That other stuff is simply commentator rubbish, when they very well know the truth.

People are deceitful. We have to inform ourselves.
 
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