Djokovic won 94.17% of Slam matches against younger players

Lew II

Legend
He's the youngest ever ranked in the ATP top-2, and at the age of 33 he will enter RG as the youngest Slam multi-winner
Roflmao
So fed from 2004 to 2012, nadal from 2005 to 2018 just don't exist in top2, right?
They were also not multi slam winner, right??
 

Lew II

Legend
As of 3rd Fed 2020

Multi slam winner Players younger than federer, whom he has faced till date :- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka

Multi slam winner Players younger than Nadal, whom he has faced till date :- Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka

Multi slam Players younger than Djokovic, whom he has he faced in slam till date :-
Djokodal are not allowing any, they're giving no hope to the younger competition.

I don't think Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev have less potential than lower tier ATGs like Edberg and Wilander, but they're being smashed a bit like Murray was for years.
 

Lew II

Legend
Whatever your opinion of under30s is, this stat indicates that Djokovic still has no problem with youngsters, so he is likely to win many more slams. If his win percentage drops by 5 points (95% --> 90%) he'll still win a lot. If it drops by 10 points (95% --> 85%) he'll still win some slams.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Whatever your opinion of under30s is, this stat indicates that Djokovic still has no problem with youngsters, so he is likely to win many more slams. If his win percentage drops by 5 points (95% --> 90%) he'll still win a lot. If it drops by 10 points (95% --> 85%) he'll still win some slams.
Djokovic's ability to go on winning slams is directly related to his other stats. His returning has declined slightly since 2011, most notably between 2011 and 2012, but his serving stats have gone up to maintain roughly the same dominance. So long as he continues winning around 32% of return games and a good 88% of service games he still stays at 60% of games, and players who are at 60% of games win majors. So he's not going anywhere until that one stat drops.

So far he has won nearly 89% of service games and 28.41% of return games. Watch those return stats throughout 2020. His career record is around 32% of return games. If that number falls, he'll be more vulnerable and he stops being a lock in majors. If it holds, he'll continue to dominate. So long as he stays around 60% of games for the year he's going to bag at least one major every year. If you are a fan you want that stat to stay over 30%, winning return games. If you are not a fan, you're only chance of seeing him lose is for that stat to drop a lot.
 
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clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Slam matches won % against players younger than them:



Since 2018 Wimbledon he is 34-1 (97.1%).

He's the youngest ever ranked in the ATP top-2, and at the age of 33 he will enter RG as the youngest Slam multi-winner.
Djoker would have lost to Thiem at the AO if it was BO3.
 
Djokodal are not allowing any, they're giving no hope to the younger competition.

I don't think Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev have less potential than lower tier ATGs like Edberg and Wilander, but they're being smashed a bit like Murray was for years.
Lol no.
The entire generation after djok was crap.
They didn't even make consistent runs into 2nd week of slams, let alone win it
So the only opposition remaining was old geriatrics and contemporaries
 

Lew II

Legend
Lol no.
The entire generation after djok was crap.
They didn't even make consistent runs into 2nd week of slams, let alone win it
So the only opposition remaining was old geriatrics and contemporaries
The best player after Federer in the whole 1972-1985 generation was Hewitt.

Fed had it easier at the beginning, Djokovic and Nadal will have it easier at the ending.
 

Lew II

Legend
LOL

Top 3 players younger than Djokovic:
1) Del Potro
2) Cilic
3) Berrettini

Top 3 players younger than Federer:
1) Nadal
2) Djokovic
3) Murray
Top3 players up to 10 years older than Djokovic:

Federer, Nadal, Murray

Top3 players up to 10 years older than Federer:

Kuerten, Hewitt, Safin
 
Lol no.
The entire generation after djok was crap.
They didn't even make consistent runs into 2nd week of slams, let alone win it
So the only opposition remaining was old geriatrics and contemporaries
The most telling stat in the OP is that Nishikori sits in 5th place, higher than the likes of Borg and Sampras.

All the OP tells us is that the current generation of those hovering around the age of 30 has had their stats padded by the weakest young generation the game has known.

Lew has shot himself in the foot once again.
 

Chronos

New User
Djokodal are not allowing any, they're giving no hope to the younger competition.

I don't think Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev have less potential than lower tier ATGs like Edberg and Wilander, but they're being smashed a bit like Murray was for years.
Hypocrisy at best as always in you.
When Federer beats every player and not allow them to win any slam (which they are also proved that they can win slams before Federer arrived to the scene) it is a weak era.But when Djokovic beats players that have no achievements at all,they are becoming directly an ATG but not allowed by Djokovic. :-D

Sorry but your OP is the ultimate proof that this era is the weakest of all and next gen sucks bigger then ever. Djokovic is the luckiest player in his thirties with all this young guns.
 

Lew II

Legend
Hypocrisy at best as always in you.
When Federer beats every player and not allow them to win any slam (which they are also proved that they can win slams before Federer arrived to the scene) it is a weak era.But when Djokovic beats players that have no achievements at all,they are becoming directly an ATG but not allowed by Djokovic. :-D

Sorry but your OP is the ultimate proof that this era is the weakest of all and next gen sucks bigger then ever. Djokovic is the luckiest player in his thirties with all this young guns.
I'll have to wait for the end of the career of Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas to determine their level.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
The best player after Federer in the whole 1972-1985 generation was Hewitt.

Fed had it easier at the beginning, Djokovic and Nadal will have it easier at the ending.
I'm not a big fan of the dueling stats - and competing/trolling with them.
But, I think in general, most should be able to agree with "Fed had it easier at the beginning, Djokovic and Nadal will have it easier at the ending."

What has been so confusing is that all three have been at the top for so long, and they have all benefited from the inadequacy of "Lost Gen".
Conclusion: Either that whole group was not very good, or each of The Big 3 is simply that special, and that motivated. I've always leaned toward the latter, though it's a bit of both.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I'll have to wait for the end of the career of Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas to determine their level.
So, you agree that Federer had to do with another ATG in the face of Nadal since 2004 (since we know how his career turned out)?

Why didn't you say so, that would have saved you a lot of useless statistics?

 
As of 3rd Fed 2020

Multi slam winner Players younger than federer, whom he has faced till date :- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka

Multi slam winner Players younger than Nadal, whom he has faced till date :- Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka

Multi slam Players younger than Djokovic, whom he has he faced in slam till date :-
Wawrinka is older than Nadal.
 

Lew II

Legend
So, you agree that Federer had to do with another ATG in the face of Nadal since 2004 (since we know how his career turned out)?

Why didn't you say so, that would have saved you a lot of useless statistics?

2017-19 Thiem, Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas were better than 2004 Nadal.

Anyway if we're talking about ATG level seasons, none of them had any, and so did Roddick or Hewitt in 2004-07.

The only ATG level seasons since 2004 were by Big4 and maybe 2015 Wawrinka, who was very consistent at Slams ( W, SF, SF, QF).
 
The fact that Schwartz is on this list proves how close together these %s are hence how relatively irrelevant they are.

Except of course Novak's number which is quite a bit higher.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
2017-19 Thiem, Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas were better than 2004 Nadal.

Anyway if we're talking about ATG level seasons, none of them had any, and so did Roddick or Hewitt in 2004-07.

The only ATG level seasons since 2004 were by Big4 and maybe 2015 Wawrinka, who was very consistent at Slams ( W, SF, SF, QF).
I read your statement about waiting to see what a player will win in the future to decide whether his opponent enjoyed an ATG opposition. Nadal was Federer's competition as early as 2004 and since he panned out to be an ATG I just followed your logic from there. Was I wrong?

 

Lew II

Legend
I read your statement about waiting to see what a player will win in the future to decide whether his opponent enjoyed an ATG opposition. Nadal was Federer's competition as early as 2004 and since he panned out to be an ATG I just followed your logic from there. Was I wrong?

I was just adressing those who claim that Djokovic and Nadal are not facing any younger ATGs. How do you know that Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas won't become ATGs?
 

beltsman

Legend
Slam matches won % against players younger than them:



Since 2018 Wimbledon he is 34-1 (97.1%).

He's the youngest ever ranked in the ATP top-2, and at the age of 33 he will enter RG as the youngest Slam multi-winner.
 

RelentlessAttack

Professional
Slam matches won % against players younger than them:



Since 2018 Wimbledon he is 34-1 (97.1%).

He's the youngest ever ranked in the ATP top-2, and at the age of 33 he will enter RG as the youngest Slam multi-winner.
Literally weakest era ever confirmed
 

tudwell

Legend
For an objective analysis, no.
I can objectively say Zverev almost never even makes it far enough at the slams to play the Big 3. They're not the ones stopping him from winning majors. He's not some all-time-great who just happens to play in the era of the Big 3. He could become an all-time-great level player in my opinion, if he gets his serve more consistent and makes his forehand more lethal, but he's clearly not there right now, unless you have a horrendously low bar for ATGs. He'd have maybe one or two more Masters titles (Rome & Shanghai 2018) without the Big 3. That's it. That's all-time-great? It doesn't matter what he goes on to do – it's patently obvious that he's not ATG level at the moment.

The only one with a real argument that he's been significantly suppressed by the Big 3 is Thiem. He'd very likely be a Roland Garros champion if not for Nadal, but even then, winning a couple Roland Garros titles doesn't make one an ATG. He can't even win a clay Masters when he doesn't face the Big 3. Fognini won a dang clay Masters last year – yet ATG Thiem can't?

None of these guys has been anywhere near as consistent as Murray was when he was being denied time and time again by the Big 3. He's obviously an ATG player denied normal ATG results because of the freakish depth of the Big 3. The closest we've seen of that from the Next Gen is four good months from Medvedev, and he's yet to back that up. It's just absurd to say any of these guys is playing ATG tennis right now. They might go on to reach that level, but at the moment they're not there, with or without the Big 3. Objectively. We don't need to see the entirety of their careers to know this.
 

Lew II

Legend
I can objectively say Zverev almost never even makes it far enough at the slams to play the Big 3. They're not the ones stopping him from winning majors. He's not some all-time-great who just happens to play in the era of the Big 3. He could become an all-time-great level player in my opinion, if he gets his serve more consistent and makes his forehand more lethal, but he's clearly not there right now, unless you have a horrendously low bar for ATGs. He'd have maybe one or two more Masters titles (Rome & Shanghai 2018) without the Big 3. That's it. That's all-time-great? It doesn't matter what he goes on to do – it's patently obvious that he's not ATG level at the moment.

The only one with a real argument that he's been significantly suppressed by the Big 3 is Thiem. He'd very likely be a Roland Garros champion if not for Nadal, but even then, winning a couple Roland Garros titles doesn't make one an ATG. He can't even win a clay Masters when he doesn't face the Big 3. Fognini won a dang clay Masters last year – yet ATG Thiem can't?

None of these guys has been anywhere near as consistent as Murray was when he was being denied time and time again by the Big 3. He's obviously an ATG player denied normal ATG results because of the freakish depth of the Big 3. The closest we've seen of that from the Next Gen is four good months from Medvedev, and he's yet to back that up. It's just absurd to say any of these guys is playing ATG tennis right now. They might go on to reach that level, but at the moment they're not there, with or without the Big 3. Objectively. We don't need to see the entirety of their careers to know this.
The field behind Big3 is having worse results since Murray and Wawrinka declined. True.

But many people here are fans of the "depth of the field" of 2003-07. They should be happy with the depth of these years.
 

BrokenForehand

New User
Novak is younger than Rafa, both Novak and Rafa are younger than Roger, curious what the stats would look like if we remove the rivalries between the three
 
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