Djokovich too one dimensional, not all time great

[Mick3391]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

 

[kragster]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

So the guy isn't allowed to have an off day? At his peak Fed had losses to guys like Hrbaty, Costa, Canas, Gasquet etc. At his peak Nadal had losses to Lubjicic, Tsonga, Seppi, Youzhny etc.

All the guys have off days and on their off days , they are more vulnerable to certain types of players. Djoker is more vulnerable to the S&V type , Nadal to big flat hitters and Fed to grinders like Simon. I don't think we should read much into it.

 

[tudwell]

So the guy isn't allowed to have an off day? At his peak Fed had losses to guys like Hrbaty, Costa, Canas, Gasquet etc. At his peak Nadal had losses to Lubjicic, Tsonga, Seppi, Youzhny etc.

All the guys have off days and on their off days , they are more vulnerable to certain types of players. Djoker is more vulnerable to the S&V type , Nadal to big flat hitters and Fed to grinders like Simon. I don't think we should read much into it.

Exactly. And the OP citing the Wawrinka match undermines his point - Djokovic did win that match. He did figure out how to win. He has an incredible record in fifth sets. He knows how to gut out close matches.

 

[mbm0912]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

He's mediocre at best..no "h" on the end.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Yes, this Djokovich guy is awful...never even qualifies for slams.

Djokovic on the other hand is a true great.

 

[uliks]

Djokovic is old man and past his prime. Leave Novak alone...

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Djokovic is old man and past his prime. Leave Novak alone...

Yes, I agree. Djokovic is almost 30 now. People should lay off the expectations.

 

[zagor]

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Describes the feeling this thread evokes perfectly.

 

[West Coast Ace]

This board is hysterical. One match and Djokov's a bum. And a nice run by Haas and now all the 'what a nice story' goobs show up (they never watched any of his meltdowns).

Novak has a lot of game. He does seem to struggle in the wind; not a huge deal. I expect him to do some real damage on the spring clay and co-favorite with Nadal for RG.

 

[Elite]

What an utterly moronic thread. Just about every tennis player who is regarded as the GOAT each experienced losses where they simply didn't show up and produce their best tennis. Also, why the hell use his match against Stan this year at the AO as an excuse for his apparent one-dimensionality? Seriously?

The man was down a set and a break and managed to fight back, take it to five, and play over 5 hours. Doesn't this simply demonstrate his impressive physical and mental strength? What a baffling example.

It's like you're basing all of this off his match with Haas, as well. Tommy played much better. Djokovic was off-guard. If you apply this logic, then I guess Nadal is very overrated and thin too; straight set losses at the 2008 AO against Tsonga and the 2009 USO against Delpo.

You may have an interesting argument, but present it better.

 

[3fees]

one dimensional is good on one surface, he plays well on all surfaces.

 

[Relinquis]

he may look almost 30, but he's still a young boy.

 

[forzamilan90]

OP why why, I just don't understand why?

 

[Tony48]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

2010 U.S. Open SF: Djokovic def. Federer 5-7, 6-1, 5-7, 6-2, 7-5 (saving 2 match points)

2011 U.S. Open SF: Djokovic def. Federer 6-7(7), 4-6, 6-3, 6-2, 7-5 (saving 2 match points)

But yes, this match no one will remember in a month's time against someone tennis won't even remember demonstrates how well Djokovic deals with pressure.

 

[Elite]

Djokovic has turned saving match points into an artform.

 

[DropShotArtist]

Let's not forget the Djoker 2.0 in 2011 also lost to Nishikori

 

[Phoenix1983]

2010 U.S. Open SF: Djokovic def. Federer 5-7, 6-1, 5-7, 6-2, 7-5 (saving 2 match points)

2011 U.S. Open SF: Djokovic def. Federer 6-7(7), 4-6, 6-3, 6-2, 7-5 (saving 2 match points)

But yes, this match no one will remember in a month's time against someone tennis won't even remember demonstrates how well Djokovic deals with pressure.

+ AO final 2012 against Nadal, AO 2013 against Wawrinka, several recent matches against Murray where he has been match point down.

Djokovic is one of the best pressure players I've seen.

 

[NatF]

Djokovic is working on his net game and has improved his serve. He has a decent drop shot etc...he does everything pretty well IMO. He's not one dimensional but he doesn't need to be multi-faceted these days.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

..........

 

[Djokodal Fan]

what a mug player he should be. He only has 6 grandslams!!

 

[NEW_BORN]

Djokovic has turned saving match points into an artform.

Just like he did on match point in the final of Rome12 and RG12 :twisted:

 

[Tennis_Monk]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

Interesting. While i dont see Djokovic triple bageling Sampras , Djoker will win fairly routine with ocassional bagels on clay. Lets not forget, Sampras looked below average against George Bastl and "Also Ran" on every clay tournament.

 

[Mick3391]

So the guy isn't allowed to have an off day? At his peak Fed had losses to guys like Hrbaty, Costa, Canas, Gasquet etc. At his peak Nadal had losses to Lubjicic, Tsonga, Seppi, Youzhny etc.

All the guys have off days and on their off days , they are more vulnerable to certain types of players. Djoker is more vulnerable to the S&V type , Nadal to big flat hitters and Fed to grinders like Simon. I don't think we should read much into it.

No, I'm not saying someone doesn't have a right to have a bad day, that's not my point.

My point is that Djokovich can't handle aggressive all court players, that's simply his history, nothing more, nothing less.

He is great, I'm not insulting him, but he's one dimensional.

 

[Mick3391]

Yes, this Djokovich guy is awful...never even qualifies for slams.

Djokovic on the other hand is a true great.

This is not what I'm saying, read please what I'm saying. I said "He's great", but he has a history of being not beat, but destroyed by aggressive players, it's just a fact, he's a one dimensional baseliner. Let him get into his groove, and he's near unbeatable.

 

[Mick3391]

What an utterly moronic thread. Just about every tennis player who is regarded as the GOAT each experienced losses where they simply didn't show up and produce their best tennis. Also, why the hell use his match against Stan this year at the AO as an excuse for his apparent one-dimensionality? Seriously?

The man was down a set and a break and managed to fight back, take it to five, and play over 5 hours. Doesn't this simply demonstrate his impressive physical and mental strength? What a baffling example.

It's like you're basing all of this off his match with Haas, as well. Tommy played much better. Djokovic was off-guard. If you apply this logic, then I guess Nadal is very overrated and thin too; straight set losses at the 2008 AO against Tsonga and the 2009 USO against Delpo.

You may have an interesting argument, but present it better.

I wish you guys would actually READ what I wrote. Novak is GREAT, incredible, and no body is talking about Haas alone.

Do you want a list of whenever Novak is pressured and how he loses badly?

Come on Djokovich fans, be honest with yourself and others, it gives you credibility. Every player has some weakness, with Novak it just happens to be aggressive players.

 

[single_handed_champion]

What is "TOO" one-dimensional? A single dimension is just that, a single dimension. You cannot be too much or little of it. He is one-dimensional, period.

 

[RF20Lennon]

LOL guy has one off day and hes already trashed as "not an all time great". Looks like these days one match can decide the fate of players, throw out all the records and other things they have achieved.

 

[Mick3391]

LOL guy has one off day and hes already trashed as "not an all time great". Looks like these days one match can decide the fate of players, throw out all the records and other things they have achieved.

Do you know how to read?

Watch Fed be AGGRESSIVE in Cincy, Haas in Miami, Wawrinka, etc and you tell me he doesn't fall apart with a straight face. All players have weakness, unless you are just a Novak coolaid drinker who thinks he can do no wrong.

It has nothing to do with not being great or having a bad day.

 

[Elite]

There is no doubt Djokovich is a incredible player, a great baseliner. When he gets into his rhythm against another baseliner (Most modern players), he is near unbeatable.

However, put pressure on him and he falls apart. He doesn't just lose, he gets devastated, total confusion and big losses.

Just some recent examples are aggressive Fed in Wimbledon but more pronounced at Cincinnati, Wawrinka this year in Australia, and Haas a few days ago. There are many more examples, it's a trend.

When pressured from mid court and the net Novak simply doesn't know what to do. Haas KICKED HIS BACKSIDE, it wasn't even close, Djokovich looked average.

I would see Sampras absolutely destroying Djokovich.

That being said, with all of the baseliners out there he will have some good success, until we get a consistent aggressive all court player to come along and beat him regularly.

I wish you guys would actually READ what I wrote. Novak is GREAT, incredible, and no body is talking about Haas alone.

Do you want a list of whenever Novak is pressured and how he loses badly?

Come on Djokovich fans, be honest with yourself and others, it gives you credibility. Every player has some weakness, with Novak it just happens to be aggressive players.

It's like you expect Djokovic to be immortal because he is world number one. Sometimes players come out, be aggressive, catch him off balance, and win. What is wrong with that? Besides, there is a flip-side to your argument. At times, players come out and start extremely aggressively against Djokovic, but he rebounds, regroups and eventually wins.

Djokovic can lose matches, you know. It does happen. Djokovic is the epitome of today's tennis. Place him on a fast hardcourt against Federer and of course the liklihood of him losing will be greater. His style of tennis isn't suited for faster courts, hence why his results at a tournament like Cincinnati has been lackluster (well, making a final isn't lackluster, but there's certain players on tour whose game is inarguably greater on a faster surface. Tsonga is one of them).

His loss against Haas has been immensely exaggerated - Haas was the better man. He came in with the right mindset and executed all his shots impeccably. Djokovic also made his fair share of unforced errors and could not get any rhythm in his game because of Haas's unpredictable, all-court style of tennis. Haas exposed a flaw in Novak's game and capitalised. It wasn't so much he was being "aggressive" that won him the match, but the mental, tactical side of it.

 

[cork_screw]

Just because he got beat by a very good player when he wasn't playing well doesn't mean he should be labeled one dimensional or that he should make any drastic changes. Tommy Haas is not chop liver, if you were observing.

You should tell that to Nadal, who's lost to him more than anyone else has beaten him. Of all the head to head's nobody has more victories against Nadal than Djokovic.

 

[Relinquis]

i think he needs a few more slams before we consider him an all time great... he's getting close, but is not at that level yet. you guys dismiss, too easily, what laver, federer, sampras and nadal have achieved. There is a big gap between them and Djokovic and a huge gap between Djokovic and Murray in terms of achievements.

as for being one-dimensional, yeah, he is to some extent, but not more so than most of the tour. there are very few all courters around these days, especially among the younger crop. dimitrov being an exception. anyway, if* he manages to get a few more slams it won't matter what his style of play is when considering whether or not he is an all time great. It'll be interesting to see if he'll develop his game to stay competitive. Even Nadal has worked on his transition game and volleys.


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