The only year that Federer was the favourite over Nadal at the FO was in 2005.
Djokovic's ''Aura'' of Dominance
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The only year that Federer was the favourite over Nadal at the FO was in 2005.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Great post. Reminds me of what Blake said some time ago. He felt that if he played his best tennis he could defeat anyone, but he still had doubt in his mind that he could still lose even playing his best tennis, against Roger.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2013/11/48/Roger-Federer-Malinowski-Book.aspx
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VexlanderPrime
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Feds aura was better but not by as much as some people would like to claim.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Yet in a couple hours you'll be pumping him up when it suits your argument.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Mate. It was the OP who started the comparison to Federer and called Djokovic's current aura better than Fed's in his prime... Are we not allowed to post our opinion on the topic of this thread? Jeez :roll:
tennis_badger
Rookie
this.
nadal is limping with one leg, of course whoever rank #1 would be fav on clay. if nadal is in top form like he was during fed's reign, nobody would put joker as favourite.
now clay has begun, nadal will prob start to claw back, peaking in RG and decline afterwards
welcome2petrkordaland
Professional
well said. the score remains: Novak: 8 Rafa: 14 Roger: 17
aura shmora, #1 ranking? lemme give you a spanking
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
"Djokovic's ''Aura'' of Dominance
Might just be even better than Federer's ''aura'' of being the favourite back in the day."
When the OP is comparing Fed's aura to Djokovic's, then I feel it's fair and reasonable (and not insecure) to comment on it. Don't you think?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
But boy do you Fed fans come swarming in here fast to let us all know exactly what you think. :|
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
As does every fan base when their favorite is in question...
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
You have a lot of nerve calling some Federer fans insecure. As a Djokovic fan, there is nobody more insecure on this forum than you are when it comes to how you think Djokovic will perform in future matches. For example this poster posted about what would likely happen at the FO this year:
And you responded by saying, "pretty much this."
For all of your bragging about Djokovic's greatness and your criticism of other posters who dare question Djokovic's dominance at slams or off of slow hc, you then turn around and doubt Djokovic's ability to win the FO. You do this ALL OF THE TIME. That is the very definition of an insecure fan. Just telling it like it is, sorry.
I hardly see Djokovic as a very dominant player. A very dominant player should not win just one slam per year.
I see Djokovic as an extremely consistent player. His consistency is quite comparable to Lendl, but half-a-level below to Federer.
Because he is extremely consistent player but not very dominant player, his "aura" is not big against other greats. Federer enjoys playing him. Nadal is not afraid playing him on slams even though Djokovic has match-up advantage against Nadal. In fact, Nadal beats Djokovic on slams fairly easily.
The aura in highest level should affect to other greats. Look Borg, his aura was so big that even an ***-hole like John McEnroe would become a different man playing him.
Or Federer. Nadal has beaten Federer so many times but he and his legendary uncle always see Federer as a greater player. Many others want to be-friend with the man beating them time and time again because they recognize him as a different kind.
Djokovic doesnt have that kind of aura.
I see Djokovic as an extremely consistent player. His consistency is quite comparable to Lendl, but half-a-level below to Federer.
Because he is extremely consistent player but not very dominant player, his "aura" is not big against other greats. Federer enjoys playing him. Nadal is not afraid playing him on slams even though Djokovic has match-up advantage against Nadal. In fact, Nadal beats Djokovic on slams fairly easily.
The aura in highest level should affect to other greats. Look Borg, his aura was so big that even an ***-hole like John McEnroe would become a different man playing him.
Or Federer. Nadal has beaten Federer so many times but he and his legendary uncle always see Federer as a greater player. Many others want to be-friend with the man beating them time and time again because they recognize him as a different kind.
Djokovic doesnt have that kind of aura.
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I think the OP meant that Djokovic has an aura about him just recently, not necessarily in the last few years in general. And whether you like it or not, that has been the case in the last six months or so(2 out of the last 3 slams, WTF + 3 successive Masters 1000s).
Also saying that Nadal beats him in slams "fairly easily" is just a silly thing to say. Come on now.
I think the OP meant that Djokovic has an aura about him just recently, not necessarily in the last few years in general. And whether you like it or not, that has been the case in the last six months or so(2 out of the last 3 slams, WTF + 3 successive Masters 1000s).
Also saying that Nadal beats him in slams "fairly easily" is just a silly thing to say. Come on now.
I mean, when your opponent has only needed 4 sets to beat you in the most recent 3/4 matches on slams, even on your favourite surface, it can be said he beat you fairly easily.
2014 French final: 3-6, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4
2013 US Open: 6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1
2012 French Open: 6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5
If we only count recent tournaments this year, we can see something unwell in Djokovic mind right at the decisive moment of every important matches. His opponent saw it. We saw it. It is not aura, it is a problem.
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic has had amazing results the last 6 months, but he's never displayed that fearsome aura that Fed had 2004-2006.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
wangs78
Legend
Honestly, I don't think anyone thinks Djokovic is unbeatable. They just know that he is rock solid on both wings, is extremely agile on the court, so very difficult to beat. The opponent probably tells himself, conciously or subconsciously, "Novak will be very very hard to beat". With Roger it was different, the thought probably was "Roger will beat me, regardless of what I do out there". Subtle but very important difference.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I think the OP meant that Djokovic has an aura about him just recently, not necessarily in the last few years in general. And whether you like it or not, that has been the case in the last six months or so(2 out of the last 3 slams, WTF + 3 successive Masters 1000s).
Also saying that Nadal beats him in slams "fairly easily" is just a silly thing to say. Come on now.
No response to my post #63 I see? Cat got your tongue all of a sudden? I hit a nerve huh? If you are so confident about Djokovic's ability to win multiple slams in a year and truly dominate why did you agree with that poster who said Djokovic will probably lose the FO again and Nadal will probably win it?
You can't have it both ways.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
But I never said that I was confident Nole would win multiple slams and dominate cc0. I think you're confusing me with another poster babe. :???:
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I don't think anyone would ever accuse you of that.
Exactly, so I really don't know where cc0 is coming from. :?
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
But my point was that you chastise some Federer fans for being insecure (which some of them are) but yet you go on and on and try and tell us how dominant Novak is because he wins so many Masters 1000 events and is the greatest thing since sliced bread but then you doubt his ability to win the FO moving forward? It makes no sense and you should not be calling any other fan insecure of all things.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
It's not that I doubt his ability, just that it's more or less impossible to beat Nadal over 5 sets on clay. As I've said many times recently, just because Nole is the #1 player in the world and my favourite, doesn't mean I should automatically assume he will win every tournament he enters. Sports don't work like that.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
But you were trying to argue the contrary a few hours ago when you questioned a poster who said that Djokovic would not have defeated Nadal in some of the clay warm-up events if those clay events were best of five. See what I mean? You are all over the place. :shock:
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VexlanderPrime
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What I don't get are the Fed fans that flock to every Nole thread to tear him down. Relax, he's just another ATG that you should enjoy watching. Right now he's dominating. No need to worry about Fed comparisons cause he's not gonna get near 17 slams.
Besides, you guys should LOVE Nole, without Djoker, Rafa would be sitting on 17 Slams RIGHT NOW lol.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Yes, but I think Rome and MC are different from RG. Nadal has more room to move around on Chatrier and defend till the cows come home, hence why it's so difficult to beat him there.
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VexlanderPrime
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The writing is on the wall and the Rafa fans and the Fed fans who deeply respect and fear Rafa just aren't seeing it. Rafa's game is weak right now. Hell, he's not even keeping pace with FERRER in 2015. There is NO WAY Rafa is winning RG this year. The guy won RGs in the past with endless grinding over 5 sets and the Rafa I've seen in 2015 is struggling to grind even THREE sets. Its not gonna happen. I'm calling it right now, Rafa won't make the RG finals this year. Djoker or Kei will win RG. (90% Djoker, 10% punchers chance to kei)
Djokovic should just beat him at his own game. Nobody defends better than he does, not even Nadal.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Really? Djokovic is right up there, but Nadal is even higher up, imo....
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Nathaniel_Near
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I'm not sure that's still the case. On HC, Djokovic is probably now the best defender. On clay? It could still be Nadal, but he needs to actually show us something. After all, tennis is played in the present and not the past.
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Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's defense on clay is better than Novak's. Even now. He loves sliding on clay and hitting the ball from very difficult positions.
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VexlanderPrime
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Nobody defended quite like Peak Rafa. His athleticism was unparralled in the history of the sport. Djoker fans should be happy that he's mentioned in the same sentence as a freak defender like that. Absolutely no shame in being the 2nd best retriever when you (arguably) have been offensive skills.
That said, those days appear to be gone and I think Djoker is probably* the better defender ATM.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
These comments should annoy me but you've become such a pathetic troll that all I can do is laugh. Which is what I just did. :lol:
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't care about any of that. I like Nadal too.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Not too sure I believe you when you say that cc0.
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
I still can't believe Djokovic won that 2011 US Open semi-final......
The implications on that match-point were huge.
If Federer won that that would open the door for Nadal to complete "the Federer slam" of beating him in all 4 slam event finals!
The implications on that match-point were huge.
If Federer won that that would open the door for Nadal to complete "the Federer slam" of beating him in all 4 slam event finals!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
It is the truth. Honest. I prefer Federer's style of tennis and certain things annoy me about Nadal but I like them both for different reasons. On the other hand, I never liked Novak much in the earlier days because of his behavior and quitting matches all of the time. I like him more now than I did then but I still dislike his on court tantrums, his need for attention and his robotic tennis. I respect his achievements but that is where it ends. I am a Fedal fan, no doubt about it.
I think Novak surpassed him everywhere else in 2011.
Nadal has been beating Djokovic at majors since then, IMO, by being more aggressive. What was the stat from their epic Roland Garros SF? Nadal hit 20+ winners in the 5th set.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
All I can say is you have a funny way of showing it! You and octobrina are like total opposites when it comes to being a Nadal fan lol.
And if it wasn't for Federer beat Nole at the 2011 FO semifinal, Nadal would have 8 FO titles instead of 9.
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
^ Djokoivic beat Nadal at 2014 Rome (and 2013 Monte Carlo), and that didn't help.
2011 pre-RG-domination probably wouldn't have helped either.
2011 pre-RG-domination probably wouldn't have helped either.
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Yep 22 winners in the 5th set.
When you back Nadal into a corner at Roland Garros he comes out swinging.
2014 semi-final vs Ferrer was another example, after Ferrer dominated the 1st set, Nadal went into beast mode (and Ferrer appeared lost).
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
She is a fanatic.
I am not a fanatic about any player. As I said, I prefer Federer overall but I definitely don't dislike Nadal. I think having Nadal in good shape and playing well is more interesting than having him away from the game and in a noncompetitive state. You need to have a couple of players at the top who are competitive with each other. Federer can be competitive with Novak but Federer is older and can't be competitive consistently the way he was when he was younger. Nadal needs to step up again because the Dimitrov generation is useless.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
She is a fanatic.
I am not a fanatic about any player. As I said, I prefer Federer overall but I definitely don't dislike Nadal. I think having Nadal in good shape and playing well is more interesting than having him away from the game and in a noncompetitive state. You need to have a couple of players at the top who are competitive with each other. Federer can be competitive with Novak but Federer is older and can't be competitive consistently the way he was when he was younger. Nadal needs to step up again because the Dimitrov generation is useless.
Agree with cc0509. Tennis needs Nadal to be at his best again as Djokovic currently is without a rival to challenge him consistently. Federer can do it on faster courts but on medium to slow courts Djokovic is too strong.
What makes Kei Nishikori a serious pick? He's won 5 matches in his career at RG. His best run there was a R16 in 2013 where he lost to Nadal in 3 easy sets (4-6, 1-6, 3-6). People seem to put an awful lot of stock in the fact that he almost beat Nadal at Madrid.
I could make the same case for Dimitrov. He very nearly ended Nadal's amazing streak at Monte Carlo in 2013 before cramping ultimately prevented him from finishing the job. He's 35-22 in his career on clay (Nishikori is 33-17). Here's what both guys have done in the last two years on clay (and who they have lost to):
Dimitrov
2013 - Monte Carlo (QF, Nadal); Barcelona (R32, Robredo); Madrid (R16, Wawrinka); Rome (R32, Gasquet); Roland Garros (R32, Djokovic); Bastad (SF, Verdasco)
2014 - Monte Carlo (R16, Ferrer); Bucharest (W); Madrid (R16, Berdych); Rome (SF, Nadal); Roland Garros (R128, Karlovic)
23-10
Nishikori
2013 - Barcelona (R16, Ramos-Vinolas); Madrid (QF, Andujar); Rome (R32, Chardy); Roland Garros (R16, Nadal)
2014 - Barcelona (W); Madrid (F, Nadal); Roland Garros (R128, Klizan)
18-6
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