Djokovic's 'cold' congratulations to Sinner

Bride of Alcaraz said:
Oh yeah Djokovic is really scared of someone with 3 slams, and a consistently cramping body that looks like a ticking time-bomb :-D
And the problem with Sinner's constant reliance on hardcourt, is that most of the best up-and-comers are hardcourters.
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Djokovic wanted that 25 badly at AO. And Sinner is the biggest challenge.

He's not afraid that Sinner will touch 24. He's more concerned that Sinner will block 25
 
Tennfan123 said:
Djokovic can see his hard court goat status, which is debatable anyway, slipping away before his very eyes.
He and Zod always had a love in. They share the same persecuted mentality.
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Too early to say hard court goat status slipping away. But what he saw this is one guy who is unbeatable on hard courts. If Djokovic is healthy, he can beat everyone i.e No. 4 Fritz, No.3 Alcaraz, No.3 Zverev but not Sinner on hard courts. Sinner would still be the favorite.

He had targeted AO 25 for 25th slam many months ago and it went away
 
Galvermegs said:
So i guess you know more than most. Fantastic. But if you havent seen his lengthy interview with piers morgan (not someone i like but he gets good discussion and insights anyway) then maybe you are missing my point. Also i guess you couldnt care any more for kygrios being suicidal than his fellow aussie aiava .. but he is trying to do something positive.

I just see a pr machine with sinner out to make as much money as possible. Not the first not the last. Bet he enjoyed playing victim recently to improve his own publicity.

And if you had many injuries and cant get over them somw frustration on court is normal. I prefer a relatable reaction to quiet resignation to something soul destroying. Sinners mtos are a joke as he clearly is very fit. I see little better than what the big 3 have pulled (yes even federer has a small history, see 2017 in particular).
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Nick can criticize Sinner if he likes. His comments about what he would do if he played Sinner were unprofessional and entirely out of line.
I also agree Nick is troubled. It's sad. He screams at his box when he does not receive the adulation he believes is sufficient. It's part of a pattern of abusive behaviour. He wants sympathy, and talks a lot about how he's changed. But actions speak louder than words. Likely not many people are the least bit concerned if he shows frustration on the court. It's when he's acting like a complete jerk that it's a problem.
 
roysid said:
He tried to rattle Sinner by siding with Kyrgios who was attacking Sinner continuously. Its obvious it was a ploy to derail Sinner before AO.

That didn't work out and he realizes Sinner is the biggest threat for him. So competitive juices in full flow or he doesn't like Sinner
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Jannik is a sinner by name, whereas Djokovic is a sinner by his behaviour.
Big difference.
They couldn't be more different.
:D
 
If I remember correctly, Djokovic tweeted something about the rules being selectively enforced when Sinner wasn’t provisionally banned like other players when he tested positive. I have the impression that Djokovic takes issue with players who use drugs. It is believed it was he who pushed Kyrgios to attack Sinner repeatedly regarding the doping scandal.
 
Who cares if Djoko doesn't like Sinner? Why should he? If not for Sinner/Carlos, Novak's sitting on 28/29 slams right now. He should hate these guys lol (Carlos is too nice to hate though and he doesn't own Djok like Jan does).

Do you think Sinner cares? Hell no he doesn't. Djo can't even make it through the draw to get a beat down from Sinner.

Sinner looks like a schoolboy until he crushes you into dust on the hardcourts. Sinner's no skiier, he's a f'ing assassin.
 
FedForGOAT said:
I'm not sure if this is trying to make a mountain out of molehill, or if there is something to this. But I do have a hard time in general trusting sources that don't even do basic fact checking. To wit:

"Notably, they are the only two men in the Open Era to have successfully defended their first Grand Slam"
As far as I know, Federer did, in fact win Wimbledon 2004 :rolleyes:
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Borg, McEnroe, Kriek, Edberg, Becker, Courier, Bruguera, Rafter, Federer and Nadal all defended their first Slam. I might be missing more. Not really a historic feat.
 
roysid said:
Anyone has screenshot of the actual post
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Incognito said:
Well, maybe he thinks Sinner will win every HC major in the next 5 years. And that will probably happen if Alcaraz doesnt make a HC final in the next years.

So you have Undisputed grass GOAT in Federer, the undisputed Clay GOAT in Nadal and Novak on HC. Sinner is way above everyone else on HCs right now.
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You forgot indoor GOAT Djokovic. And Universal GOAT. Hihi
 
Beacon Hill said:
Nick can criticize Sinner if he likes. His comments about what he would do if he played Sinner were unprofessional and entirely out of line.
I also agree Nick is troubled. It's sad. He screams at his box when he does not receive the adulation he believes is sufficient. It's part of a pattern of abusive behaviour. He wants sympathy, and talks a lot about how he's changed. But actions speak louder than words. Likely not many people are the least bit concerned if he shows frustration on the court. It's when he's acting like a complete jerk that it's a problem.
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You say troubled but it just sounds troubling to you. You just revert back to standard picking apart off the symptoms.. rather than anything else. Bypass the talk on aiava. Also glossing over my comments on sinner.

Sinner needs his comeuppance. Nick is just overdoing the due process a little too much and putting the attention on the wrong man.

If you are actually working in a psychology for a living.. well some people can make money despite it being the wrong fit. I am a well worn cynic im afraid.
 
roysid said:
Djokovic showed all the love and affection for Zverev (which is fine) but such a 'cold' congratulations for Sinner.
Almost a dismissive tone.



A decent way to congratulate is to praise the winner first and followed by a consolation message for the runner up.
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Novak has been friends with the Zverev family since Sasha's brother, who is 10 years older was on the tour, so he had known Sasha long before he became a top player. Perhaps Sinner never liked Novak and has no interest in being friends with him? Whatever, why should anyone care if Novak likes Sinner or not?
 
Musterrific said:
Maybe Djokovic is going cold on Sinner because he views him as a potential threat to his slam tally...
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If sinner doesnt figure out both clay and grass i doubt he can get 20 slams on hardcourt. It will take its toll as well. One difference is novak had a few years of slam frustration after his first. So when will jannick have to cope with a setback?
 
Sinner has suggested more than once Nadal and Federer are the greatest to ever play the game. Since then Djokovic has not been that warm to Sinner, and Sinner felt slighted by Djokovic's comments a couple of years ago after their match when sinner blew a 2 set lead when Djokovic suggested he choked. So there is bad blood.
While Alcaraz has stated Nadal is the Greatest as well, obviously being Alcaraz is Spanish, Djokovic has no issue with that at all and Alcaraz has always been respectful of Nole which Nole appreciates.
Sinner and Djokovic are not blood enemies, their relationship is akin to Federer and Djokovic in the early days (2006-2015).
Whether Djokovic and Alcaraz will be as close moving forward remains to be seen as Jelena certainly was not happy Alcaraz was mocking Novak's injury during their match, or at least looked like he was. By now Djokovic will be aware of that and i did wonder if that scan image he posted was a bit of a dig at Alcaraz.
 
Djokovic flat out said after he stopped against zverev that he hoped he would win.

If nothing else , djokovic feels threatened becuz he knows sinners the only player that can beat him even if he’s playing well
 
big ted said:
Djokovic flat out said after he stopped against zverev that he hoped he would win.

If nothing else , djokovic feels threatened becuz he knows sinners the only player that can beat him even if he’s playing well
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That's false. Alcaraz can beat Djokovic even if Djokovic is playing well and others can too by now even if less frequently.
 
big ted said:
then why don’t they? djoko just beat carlito 5 days ago on one leg
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Anyone can lose a match and a 21 year old kid is no exception. Djokovic himself has lost to far worse players before and lost to Popyrin in the previous slam actually.

Djokovic has also been routed in straight sets by Alcaraz in a slam before. In fact it was the slam right before that.

Your memory doesn't seem very reliable.

And I'm sure you already know that Alcaraz was thrown by Djokovic's colorful relationship with physical issues on court which is unlikely to be the case again moving forward.
 
intrepidish said:
Anyone can lose a match and a 21 year old kid is no exception. Djokovic himself has lost to far worse players before and lost to Popyrin in the previous slam actually.

Djokovic has also been routed in straight sets by Alcaraz in a slam before. In fact it was the slam right before that.

Your memory doesn't seem very reliable.

And I'm sure you already know that Alcaraz was thrown by Djokovic's colorful relationship with physical issues on court which is unlikely to be the case again moving forward.
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excuses excuses :rolleyes:

You can literally defend anything without knowing anything by starting with “anyone can lose a match”

well guess what? Sinner can lose a match too so who cares o_O
 
big ted said:
excuses excuses :rolleyes:

You can literally defend anything without knowing anything by starting with “anyone can lose a match”

well guess what? Sinner can lose a match too so who cares o_O
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Of course Sinner can lose a match. I don't know what you imagine you're saying by stating that anyone can defend anything; Djokovic has lost to much worse players than Alcaraz, including in the previous slam. And before that he was beaten in straight sets by that same Alcaraz

As in sure you know deep down, Djokovic isn't going to be improving and many of these other players will be improving relative to him.

Sinner is far from his only issue moving forward.
 
intrepidish said:
Of course Sinner can lose a match. I don't know what you imagine you're saying by stating that anyone can defend anything; Djokovic has lost to much worse players than Alcaraz, including in the previous slam. And before that he was beaten in straight sets by that same Alcaraz

As in sure you know deep down, Djokovic isn't going to be improving and many of these other players will be improving relative to him.

Sinner is far from his only issue moving forward.
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all I said was djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner and you got all up on my grill lol
 
clayqueen said:
No. How can Sinner be considered the new King of Australia simply because he's won two? It requires more than that to be the King. I don't think even Djokovic, with 10, can claim that, as he's not been that dominant. He's played many close five-setters on his way to the trophy, and he's only won it 10 out of 20 times of trying.
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No one except Nadal on RG has a double-digit number of titles from one Grand Slam tournament like Nole on AO. Nole had dominated the AO for a long time, longer than any professional tennis player (including women) and has managed to defend his triumph in Melbourne several times.
 
Enceladus said:
No one except Nadal on RG has a double-digit number of titles from one Grand Slam tournament like Nole on AO. Nole had dominated the AO for a long time, longer than any professional tennis player (including women) and has managed to defend his triumph in Melbourne several times.
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'Dominate' is a step too far. He's won 10 out of 20 that he's played. How is that dominating?
 
Enceladus said:
10 titles from one tournament is undoubtedly dominance. Only an assh*le can question that.
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It's 'objectively' a 'subjective' question. Djokovic was dominant at the Australian Open but not relative to certain other players at other tournaments. It's kind of like people who want to brand the 2010's Giants a dynasty without ever having gone back-to-back... it's open to interpretation.
 
big ted said:
all I said was djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner and you got all up on my grill lol
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No, all I did was disagree with your assertion that if Djokovic plays his best now that he's automatically going to win. His level is no longer sufficient to make that claim.

If Alcaraz plays his best, his straight set takedown of Djokovic at Wimbledon gives an idea of what can happen.

We'll revisit this when the season ends.
 
He and Zverev are clearly close. He probably also greatly appreciates what the guy said to the crowd on the court after the semi-final. I don't really see the issue.

Even I, as someone who refuses to give in to the EVERYTHING THESE DAYS SUCKS mentality, thinks this need we have for guys currently on tour, especially those near the top of the game, to congratulate their rivals is lame as BLEEP.

Can you imagine Lendl, Mac, Mats, and Connors tweeting each other their clucking congratulations after a final?
 
intrepidish said:
Of course Sinner can lose a match. I don't know what you imagine you're saying by stating that anyone can defend anything; Djokovic has lost to much worse players than Alcaraz, including in the previous slam. And before that he was beaten in straight sets by that same Alcaraz

As in sure you know deep down, Djokovic isn't going to be improving and many of these other players will be improving relative to him.

Sinner is far from his only issue moving forward.
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The difference is that Sinner has beaten Djokovic in 4 of their last 5 meetings, including the last 3, while Djokovic has beaten Alcaraz in 4 of their last 5 meetings, including the last 2.

Yes, Sinner is currently a bigger threat to Djokovic, just as Alcaraz is currently a bigger threat to Sinner, just as Djokovic is currently a bigger threat to Alcaraz.

Rock-paper-scissors

Rock-paper-scissors?

I remember that this slogan emerged during the first part of 2023 when Sinner still couldn't beat Medvedev who in turn seemed helpless against Alcaraz who in turn was having trouble with Sinner. Can the same thing be said now about the trio Sinner-Alcaraz-Djokovic? Sinner has lost the last 3...
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Winner Sinner said:
The difference is that Sinner has beaten Djokovic in 4 of their last 5 meetings, including the last 3, while Djokovic has beaten Alcaraz in 4 of their last 5 meetings, including the last 2.

Yes, Sinner is currently a bigger threat to Djokovic, just as Alcaraz is currently a bigger threat to Sinner, just as Djokovic is currently a bigger threat to Alcaraz.

Rock-paper-scissors

Rock-paper-scissors?

I remember that this slogan emerged during the first part of 2023 when Sinner still couldn't beat Medvedev who in turn seemed helpless against Alcaraz who in turn was having trouble with Sinner. Can the same thing be said now about the trio Sinner-Alcaraz-Djokovic? Sinner has lost the last 3...
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That's not what that conversation was about though was it?

Sinner is more consistently a threat, certainly on hard and no one denied that. However Alcaraz has beaten Djokovic twice in a row in a final on grass for example and the last time it was in straight sets.

It is simply nonsense to say that the matches depend solely on Djokovic's level at this stage and it's going to be even more clear moving forward.

Other players are going to have days like Popyrin as well which will be enough to do the job too
 
intrepidish said:
That's not what that conversation was about though was it?

Sinner is more consistently a threat, certainly on hard and no one denied that. However Alcaraz has beaten Djokovic twice in a row in a final on grass for example and the last time it was in straight sets.

It is simply nonsense to say that the matches depend solely on Djokovic's level at this stage and it's going to be even more clear moving forward.

Other players are going to have days like Popyrin as well which will be enough to do the job too
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The 2024 Wimbledon final is not a good example, since we are talking about a massacre against a convalescent player.

And instead my reply was absolutely part of the discussion undertaken.
The feeling is exactly that, the current Djokovic has the feeling that he can still beat everyone on every surface, except the hard version of Sinner, who is the most dominant version of the current circuit.
 
Winner Sinner said:
The 2024 Wimbledon final is not a good example, since we are talking about a massacre against a convalescent player.

And instead my reply was absolutely part of the discussion undertaken.
The feeling is exactly that, the current Djokovic has the feeling that he can still beat everyone on every surface, except the hard version of Sinner, who is the most dominant version of the current circuit.
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Sure, it's not a 'good example' because it contradicts your point and shows Djokovic getting mauled and losing for the second straight year in the Wimbledon final.

Alcaraz has also beaten Sinner himself convincingly enough and this doesn't require a discussion.

There are also other players like Popyrin who can play well enough on the day to beat this version of Djokovic convincingly.
 
intrepidish said:
No, all I did was disagree with your assertion that if Djokovic plays his best now that he's automatically going to win. His level is no longer sufficient to make that claim.

If Alcaraz plays his best, his straight set takedown of Djokovic at Wimbledon gives an idea of what can happen.

We'll revisit this when the season ends.
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Because Djokovic's level has been the same in all these previous matches?
 
intrepidish said:
Sure, it's not a 'good example' because it contradicts your point and shows Djokovic getting mauled and losing for the second straight year in the Wimbledon final.

Alcaraz has also beaten Sinner himself convincingly enough and this doesn't require a discussion.

There are also other players like Popyrin who can play well enough on the day to beat this version of Djokovic convincingly.
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Well, if you take a match where Djokovic was still recovering from the meniscus operation as gospel, you're right.

I report the facts, Djokovic has won 4 of the last 5 challenges with Alcaraz, and the only defeat in this streak occurred precisely in the recovery phase.
While against Sinner he lost 4 of the last 5 challenges of which the last 3.

I repeat, a Djokovic in form at this stage of his career can still beat everyone on every surface, except the hard version of the current Sinner.
This is my opinion, if you don't share it friends as before and everyone remains of their own opinion.
 
xFedal said:
Hitman do you think Novak can realistically win another slam? Does he have 1 more slam left in him? Will he stay on #24 forever?
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Realistically he can win one more. I wouldn't rule him out, but he cannot have a draw like the one he had at AO. He needs a bit of an opening. He is not the favorite for any slam anymore, Sinner and Alcaraz rightfully are, and that is how it should be. But he is one of the top contenders right behind them, and I do feel he has at least one elite level match per slam.

His issue is, his ranking is low now, so he could potentially face Alcaraz or Sinner very early on.

He can stay on 24, but I think he knows he has a shot at one last slam.
 
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