Djokovic's 'cold' congratulations to Sinner

[xFedal]

Realistically he can win one more. I wouldn't rule him out, but he cannot have a draw like the one he had at AO. He needs a bit of an opening. He is not the favorite for any slam anymore, Sinner and Alcaraz rightfully are, and that is how it should be. But he is one of the top contenders right behind them, and I do feel he has at least one elite level match per slam.

His issue is, his ranking is low now, so he could potentially face Alcaraz or Sinner very early on.

He can stay on 24, but I think he knows he has a shot at one last slam.

No chance at the french then? At the french open Djokovics slowness won't be exposed as much, can he take 3 sets of Carlos on Clay?

 

[Hitman]

No chance at the french then? At the french open Djokovics slowness won't be exposed as much, can he take 3 sets of Carlos on Clay?

He has a chance at the french, I think he has a chance at all the slams, it is about having the ideal draw now and hoping his body doesn't give up on him. IMO he has the game still to win a slam, we saw it against Alcaraz, but beyond that, at his age now, he needs luck.

I would say he is a contender at all slams this year, but the window is closing rapidly.

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

No, all I did was disagree with your assertion that if Djokovic plays his best now that he's automatically going to win. His level is no longer sufficient to make that claim.

If Alcaraz plays his best, his straight set takedown of Djokovic at Wimbledon gives an idea of what can happen.

We'll revisit this when the season ends.

Djokovic was a couple of weeks after surgery. It is a crap win for Carlos against slow Djokovic on one leg on W2024. Alcaraz had a better 2023 grass season.

 

[DSH]

Djokovic is going to turn 38, his chances of winning a GS tournament are null.
It's time to accept that Father Time is undefeated.

 

[big ted]

all I did was disagree with your assertion that if Djokovic plays his best now that he's automatically going to win.

Everyone knows there’s no automatic wins in sports

and djokovic beat alcarez the last 2 times they played at the 2 biggest venues and he’s 38.. What’s Carlitos problem? why can’t he just play his best and beat djokovic like you said?? he shouldn’t even have to play his best to beat a 38 year old. but sinner doesn’t

 

[Beacon Hill]

Realistically he can win one more. I wouldn't rule him out, but he cannot have a draw like the one he had at AO. He needs a bit of an opening. He is not the favorite for any slam anymore, Sinner and Alcaraz rightfully are, and that is how it should be. But he is one of the top contenders right behind them, and I do feel he has at least one elite level match per slam.

His issue is, his ranking is low now, so he could potentially face Alcaraz or Sinner very early on.

He can stay on 24, but I think he knows he has a shot at one last slam.

His best chance is Wimbledon because it's a novelty surface at this point, and few players know how to play on it. Plus, it's less taxing on the body. But on the downside, loss of footing on grass can lead to awkward movements and injuries, especially when you age. And players like Perricard can get hot in a couple tie breaks and pull off upsets. But overall, grass is likely his only chance for No. 25. It's doubtful he can grind for five sets and seven matches anymore on clay or hard courts.

 

[intrepidish]

Because Djokovic's level has been the same in all these previous matches?

Everyone's level is always fluctuating in tennis. It's another part of what makes it so ridiculous to talk about 'no one beating Djokovic' if he plays his 'best' going forward.

Whenever Djokovic loses, by definition here for his fans he's not playing his best whereas the same allowances are not made for other players.

 

[intrepidish]

Everyone knows there’s no automatic wins in sports

and djokovic beat alcarez the last 2 times they played at the 2 biggest venues and he’s 38.. What’s Carlitos problem? why can’t he just play his best and beat djokovic like you said?? he shouldn’t even have to play his best to beat a 38 year old. but sinner doesn’t

What's Carlos' 'problem'? For one thing he's 21 and his development is simply spectacular. He doesn't have a 'problem.' It would be very odd to expect a 21-year-old, even a phenom, to be fully developed and to be mentally solid, in all cases. I'd imagine that has a lot to do with that last match against Djokovic for example.

You say everyone knows there are no automatic wins in sports but what I see in this thread, as I have so often elsewhere, is the often repeated fantasy that Djokovic is the one who decides who wins and who loses in virtually every match and that's just not the case, especially not now.

 

[intrepidish]

Well, if you take a match where Djokovic was still recovering from the meniscus operation as gospel, you're right.

I report the facts, Djokovic has won 4 of the last 5 challenges with Alcaraz, and the only defeat in this streak occurred precisely in the recovery phase.
While against Sinner he lost 4 of the last 5 challenges of which the last 3.

I repeat, a Djokovic in form at this stage of his career can still beat everyone on every surface, except the hard version of the current Sinner.
This is my opinion, if you don't share it friends as before and everyone remains of their own opinion.

Again, Djokovic has qualifications applied to his losses: he had had a physical problem (though he was in a final) so it's called a different phase. Carlos loses in a period where he's reworking his serve and Djokovic does one of his infamous injury shuffles? That's just 'normal', not a phase.

Djokovic is a good enough player to win in a lot of situations, but there are guys on tour, not just Sinner, who can beat him even if he's playing well when considering what 'well' means at this stage of his career.

At this point, we should check back at the end of the season and see how our opinions matched up with the results.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Everyone's level is always fluctuating in tennis. It's another part of what makes it so ridiculous to talk about 'no one beating Djokovic' if he plays his 'best' going forward.

Whenever Djokovic loses, by definition here for his fans he's not playing his best whereas the same allowances are not made for other players.

What kind of reply is this by this member who posted 10+ times in this thread.

No Djokovic fan says his best he will win at this late stage. In 2022 yes. He proved that. Not 2/3 years later after surgeries and injuries.

It's YOUR own issue if you are still living in 2022. What a ridiculous take after take. Totally losing credibility.

 

[nolefam_2024]

No one is unbeatable save nadal on clay for few years only.

Djokovic can be beaten. Every single mortal can be beaten. Including sinner today.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Many a times these members put their OWN issues on rest of us. Djokovic was underdog vs alcaraz. No one was saying he would definitely win. He won. Lol

Matches are decided on the court. And someone like raz and sinner will always have chance to beat anyone. Including peak Djokovic and peak fedal.

 

[intrepidish]

What kind of reply is this by this member who posted 10+ times in this thread.

No Djokovic fan says his best he will win at this late stage. In 2022 yes. He proved that. Not 2/3 years later after surgeries and injuries.

It's YOUR own issue if you are still living in 2022. What a ridiculous take after take. Totally losing credibility.

I'll leave aside your inane personal comments. Here are some examples of exactly what you claim 'no one says' from right in this very thread:

djokovic feels threatened becuz he knows sinners the only player that can beat him even if he’s playing well

djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner

So it's your 'issue' if you don't actually read.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I'll leave aside your inane personal comments. Here are some examples of exactly what you claim 'no Djokovic fan says' from right in this very thread:






So it's your 'issue' if you don't actually read.

That is not a Djokovic fan but a Federer fan who is crying weak era for years.

It's his issue. Don't act like we don't understand who is saying what.

Admins have told to take these personal things outside ttw. Your issue with big ted is outside of real state of things.

 

[AAATSportingGoods]

This is what this post is going on about? That’s it?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is barely halfway between Djokovic and his son by age. There is literally nothing sinner can do to reduce Djokovic legacy anymore. No threat.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I'll leave aside your inane personal comments. Here are some examples of exactly what you claim 'no one says' from right in this very thread:






So it's your 'issue' if you don't actually read.

Plus reading comprehension seems to be your issue. The user clearly states Djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner. Never is it written that he will ALWAYS win if he plays his best.

Matches are not ttw votes that whoever is favorite will win. They are decided in real life.

One is thing about ABILITY and another is claiming like you know the truth.

 

[intrepidish]

That is not a Djokovic fan but a Federer fan who is crying weak era for years.

It's his issue. Don't act like we don't understand who is saying what.

Admins have told to take these personal things outside ttw. Your issue with big ted is outside of real state of things.

'Personal things'? I'm replying on a message board about a tennis question. I don't know who 'Big Ted' is anymore than from what I see in his posts in this thread for example. And others who have chimed in, have not tended to disagree with him.

Your comments here are rather odd.

 

[nolefam_2024]

'Personal things'? I'm replying on a message board about a tennis question. I don't know who 'Big Ted' is anymore than from what I see in his posts in this thread for example. And others who have chimed in, have not tended to disagree with him.

Your comments here are rather odd.

Total assumption is all you have then.

Djokovic can beat anyone if he plays his best. Doesn't mean he will always win. Ridiculous.

 

[intrepidish]

Plus reading comprehension seems to be your issue. The user clearly states Djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner. Never is it written that he will ALWAYS win if he plays his best.

Matches are not ttw votes that whoever is favorite will win. They are decided in real life.

One is thing about ABILITY and another is claiming like you know the truth.

You talk about reading comprehension and then post absolute gibberish. The poster clearly stated that if Djokovic is playing his best, "he knows sinners the only player that can beat him"

No one here disagreed. I did, hence the discussion.

If you have a problem with that, that's perfectly fine. Don't pretend what happened didn't happen and expect me to take what you're saying seriously however.

 

[RS]

Price money FTW.

 

[intrepidish]

Total assumption is all you have then.

Djokovic can beat anyone if he plays his best. Doesn't mean he will always win. Ridiculous.

Again, you seem to have basic reading comprehension problems and an axe to grind. The poster clearly stated that if Djokovic is playing his best, "he knows sinners the only player that can beat him"

I disagreed and discussion ensued. You're more than welcome to ignore that discussion but pretending it was something other than what it was is simply risible.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You talk about reading comprehension and then post absolute gibberish. The poster clearly stated that if Djokovic is playing his best, "he knows sinners the only player that can beat him"

No one here disagreed. I did, hence the discussion.

If you have a problem with that, that's perfectly fine. Don't pretend what happened didn't happen and expect me to take what you're saying seriously however.

Big ted is wrong

Of course it's agenda driven. But it is what it is at this stage.

After disastrous 2024 there is no discussion that at his best Djokovic can not be beaten at all and stuff.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Again, you seem to have basic reading comprehension problems and an axe to grind. The poster clearly stated that if Djokovic is playing his best, "he knows sinners the only player that can beat him"

I disagreed and discussion ensued. You're more than welcome to ignore that discussion but pretending it was something other than what it was is simply risible.

Big ted is completely wrong.

 

[intrepidish]

Big ted is wrong

Of course it's agenda driven. But it is what it is at this stage.

After disastrous 2024 there is no discussion that at his best Djokovic can not be beaten at all and stuff.

I don't know what Big Ted's agenda is. I don't devote my spare time to following his posts. I saw a statement and I took issue with it. That's all this is.

If anyone else had chimed in with your view like you have just now, the discussion would have probably simply died off. But that didn't happen.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Whenever a member has said ONLY this guy can do something , they were dead wrong.

This is my hate for Federer fans who corrupted the board for a decade saying only fed can do this.

Only fed can play well in 30s. Where are the clowns who kept on showing age curve and had so much analysis on how Djokovic body will break down or even nadal's.

Only Federer can reach 300 weeks never mind Steffi already had 373.

No one deserves the claim that they are unbeatable.

Barely nadal on clay for 2/3 years deserve that claim. No one else.

Saying ONLY completely changes the tone and then you are arrogant and wrong.

While saying that I would say sinner is definitely beatable in next few tournaments but is heavy favorite.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I don't know what Big Ted's agenda is. I don't devote my spare time to following his posts. I saw a statement and I took issue with it. That's all this is.

If anyone else had chimed in with your view like you have just now, the discussion would have probably simply died off. But that didn't happen.

I want every non sensical discussion to die off.

There are many trolls on this site.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Again, Djokovic has qualifications applied to his losses: he had had a physical problem (though he was in a final) so it's called a different phase. Carlos loses in a period where he's reworking his serve and Djokovic does one of his infamous injury shuffles? That's just 'normal', not a phase.

Djokovic is a good enough player to win in a lot of situations, but there are guys on tour, not just Sinner, who can beat him even if he's playing well when considering what 'well' means at this stage of his career.

At this point, we should check back at the end of the season and see how our opinions matched up with the results.

But who said that other players can't beat Djokovic too?

The only thing we're trying to say here is that the current Djokovic can still beat anyone on any surface, except the hard version of Sinner.
It's a different thing than saying that only Sinner can beat the current Djokovic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

But who said that other players can't beat Djokovic too?

The only thing we're trying to say here is that the current Djokovic can still beat anyone on any surface, except the hard version of Sinner.
It's a different thing than saying that only Sinner can beat the current Djokovic.

Some people did. I don't make absolutish claims unless there is mountain of evidence.

Eg. In Roland Garros final 2023, I was completely confident in making claim Djokovic wins in 3 or at max 4.

You need a lot of evidence and still apply common sense and give benefit of the doubt to opponent.

 

[intrepidish]

But who said that other players can't beat Djokovic too?

The only thing we're trying to say here is that the current Djokovic can still beat anyone on any surface, except the hard version of Sinner.
It's a different thing than saying that only Sinner can beat the current Djokovic.

Who said other players can't beat Djokovic? I literally just posted some examples of someone here saying that only Sinner can beat Djokovic if Djokovic is playing well. Here they are again:

djokovic feels threatened becuz he knows sinners the only player that can beat him even if he’s playing well

djokovic at his best can beat anyone but sinner

 

[Winner Sinner]

Who said other players can't beat Djokovic? I literally just posted some examples of someone here saying that only Sinner can beat Djokovic if Djokovic is playing well. Here they are again:

There are already differences between the two comments you report.
In the last one for example it is said that Djokovic can beat anyone except Sinner.

Then when they say that only Sinner can beat a Djokovic in form, maybe it's an extreme opinion, but at the same time it has nothing to do with the examples you give.
The Djokovic who lost the last Wimbledon final was recovering from meniscus surgery resulting in a period of convalescence, so how he could have been in great shape remains a mystery.
The Djokovic who lost to Popiryn at the US Open was evidently satisfied by the Olympic triumph.
Djokovic certainly cannot be defined as being in great form as he ended that match with the Australian player by committing a disproportionate amount of double faults on serve.

 

[nolefam_2024]

There are already differences between the two comments you report.
In the last one for example it is said that Djokovic can beat anyone except Sinner.

Then when they say that only Sinner can beat a Djokovic in form, maybe it's an extreme opinion, but at the same time it has nothing to do with the examples you give.
The Djokovic who lost the last Wimbledon final was recovering from meniscus surgery resulting in a period of convalescence, so how he could have been in great shape remains a mystery.
The Djokovic who lost to Popiryn at the US Open was evidently satisfied by the Olympic triumph.
Djokovic certainly cannot be defined as being in great form as he ended that match with the Australian player by committing a disproportionate amount of double faults on serve.

The turnaround between rg injury and Olympics is everything.

Had there been no Olympics , I think he would have tried very hard vs alcaraz by extending the points and not going kamikaze to the net. He did manage schedule as tightly as possible trying to win wimby but not at cost of reinjuring the knee just weeks before Olympics. Then he played with no plan for future tournaments in Olympics.

 

[Shaj]

Should just altogether stop being friendly with these guys.. When did anyone of this lot stood truly up for him? Right from Fedal to Murray or Wawarinka.. Never. Apart from Kyrgios or maybe Zverev, nobody has truly stood up for him. He should just abandon his niceties towards them. Be in his own group, if its Eastern European group, then so be it.

 

[zagor]

Anyone can lose a match and a 21 year old kid is no exception. Djokovic himself has lost to far worse players before and lost to Popyrin in the previous slam actually.

Djokovic has also been routed in straight sets by Alcaraz in a slam before. In fact it was the slam right before that.

Your memory doesn't seem very reliable.

And I'm sure you already know that Alcaraz was thrown by Djokovic's colorful relationship with physical issues on court which is unlikely to be the case again moving forward.

There's a reason Carlos never beat Novak on HC. Even current Novak if he still plays his best can definitely beat Alcaraz on HC (Wimbledon and FO are a different story, Carlito will be a clear favourite there).

Sinner is the true roadblock on HC, for Novak and well everyone else right now. He's just demolishing the tour on hardcourts.

 

[zagor]

Realistically he can win one more. I wouldn't rule him out, but he cannot have a draw like the one he had at AO. He needs a bit of an opening. He is not the favorite for any slam anymore, Sinner and Alcaraz rightfully are, and that is how it should be. But he is one of the top contenders right behind them, and I do feel he has at least one elite level match per slam.

His issue is, his ranking is low now, so he could potentially face Alcaraz or Sinner very early on.

He can stay on 24, but I think he knows he has a shot at one last slam.

Carlos, Zverev and then Sinner. Yeah, the writing was on the wall for AO given the draw and that it didn't fall apart in the slightest.

Wimbledon is the best chance. Alcaraz nearly lost to Tiafoe last year and I'm still not sold on Sinner being a Wimbledon contender even though he did improve his forecourt game.

 

[big ted]

djokovic is cold becuz he has a big ego against real threats like sinner. kinda like how federer was cold to djokovic. if djokovic didn’t win as much i think federer would have been nicer to him

 

[Rosstour]

It's 'objectively' a 'subjective' question. Djokovic was dominant at the Australian Open but not relative to certain other players at other tournaments. It's kind of like people who want to brand the 2010's Giants a dynasty without ever having gone back-to-back... it's open to interpretation.

Federer: Jordan Bulls
Rafa: Kobe Lakers
Djoko: Duncan Spurs

 

[Rosstour]

Carlos, Zverev and then Sinner. Yeah, the writing was on the wall for AO given the draw and that it didn't fall apart in the slightest.

Wimbledon is the best chance. Alcaraz nearly lost to Tiafoe last year and I'm still not sold on Sinner being a Wimbledon contender even though he did improve his forecourt game.

He is coming for Carlos at Wimbledon. That's the only player who can stop him

 

[Ray Mercer]

He’s got a good shot unless he runs into Sinner. Sinner is straight up a better basliner than Djokovic now. He hits bigger, is just as consistent and moves better at this stage. Alcaraz has been a disappointment. He's losing to a number of different players lately in the slams. It’s not just one guy stopping him

 

[Holic]

Who cares, maybe just maybe Djokovic will win Wimbledon and thats it. Its his final year so who cares if he likes Sinner or not. This is not going to be a lasting rivalry.

 

[nolefam_2024]

djokovic is cold becuz he has a big ego against real threats like sinner. kinda like how federer was cold to djokovic. if djokovic didn’t win as much i think federer would have been nicer to him

There is so much assumption amongst Djokovic haters that he is still unfulfilled after holding every single record. The assumption is wrong. As stated by Djokovic himself after Olympics.

He is here to keep playing until wheels fall off. And sinner is not only problem for him after disastrous 2024. Alcaraz zverev medvedev and his own body are just as damaging now.

Djokovic was beaten twice by raz and is still very appreciative of raz. This only real threat is bs term in social media members. Everyone is threat to Djokovic today. And sinner is just not as unbeatable as Nadal in his prime on clay at all.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think deep down Djokovic respects raz more than jannik when they have had epic battles since 2022 when jannik was a nobody. Their rg 23 semifinal was hyped to the moon. So did the Wimbledon 23 final and Olympics final. These are amazing matches.

 

[nolefam_2024]

 

[RaulRamirez]

'Dominate' is a step too far. He's won 10 out of 20 that he's played. How is that dominating?

Yes, when you win a slam 10 out of 20 times, that is dominant. That's as much as the rest of the tour combined.

Tom Brady is considered dominant -' 7 titles out of 23 seasons. Michael Jordan was considered dominant- 6 titles in 15 seasons.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I hadn't read this thread before.
Per the AO, after losing to Zverev, he clearly backed Z to go on to win the title. Was that unprofessional or just honestly backing someone he's closer to, who also spoke generously about Novak.

Did Novak amplify Nick's shots at Sinner? He may have, but I'm unaware of it, if so.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I hadn't read this thread before.
Per the AO, after losing to Zverev, he clearly backed Z to go on to win the title. Was that unprofessional or just honestly backing someone he's closer to, who also spoke generously about Novak.

Did Novak amplify Nick's shots at Sinner? He may have, but I'm unaware of it, if so.

It's completely open fact that Zverev is very friendly with Djokovic coming to him for guidance after feeling destroyed mentally as near as last year post us open.

Zverev is very respectful to most greats including Federer Nadal Alcaraz and Sinner. But he is closer to Djokovic than all else. Djokovic was even joking throughout the event that he and Zverev have a pact to let Djokovic winning until retirement. I think everybody here knows that.

Also it's not in the profession to wish someone a title. It's personal choice. And Djokovic doesn't bend to public pressure. So if he said that Sinner had no chance then I would agree to it as unprofessional.

But saying you can't be allowed to say someone else is your favored guy would be dictatorial.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Let's be very clear. Djokovic does not owe Sinner anything extra than he gives.

Djokovic has not called Sinner's shot lucky when he lost the Davis cup match. On the opposite side, we have Federer calling Djokovic lucky and coping against the fact that Federer loses mentally vs rafole time after time.

There is no reason for Djokovic to have animosity towards the current number 1 when Djokovic has all the records. If he was 10 years younger and this was the only "real threat" even then Djokovic was very cordial with Federer far more than Federer was to him. And Sinner is someone who was born in 2001 , 14.5 years after Djokovic. Similar time gap exist between Djokovic and Becker ?

 

[nolefam_2024]

So what? You dont have to be everybodys darling and Novak certainly isnt.

And on top of that Novak has questionable test in fans. It would be better for sinner if he is not in the same group like pavvyg.

 

[clayqueen]

Yes, when you win a slam 10 out of 20 times, that is dominant. That's as much as the rest of the tour combined.

Tom Brady is considered dominant -' 7 titles out of 23 seasons. Michael Jordan was considered dominant- 6 titles in 15 seasons.

This leads me to the conclusion that Rafa is the ONLY dominant sportsman of all time.

 

[RaulRamirez]

This leads me to the conclusion that Rafa is the ONLY dominant sportsman of all time.

What Rafa did at RG was truly incredible, but why tear down others?