Djokovic's Complete Dominance of Next Gen: 27 wins 8 losses!

Will a Next Gen beat Novak at a slam?


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TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic's record vs all the Big Next gen stars:

Alexander Zverev
  • Career record against Djokovic: 3-6
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 1-4
Stefanos Tsitsipas
  1. Career record against Djokovic: 2-6
  2. Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 1-6

Matteo Berrettini
  • Career record against Djokovic: 0-3
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 0-3

Denis Shapovalov
  • Career record against Djokovic: 0-7
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 0-7

Daniil Medvedev
  • Career record against Djokovic: 3-5
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 3-3

Novak is 27-8 vs all the next Gen.

Dominance does NOT even begin to describe it.

  • None of the contenders left in the UsOpen have EVER won a slam.
  • None of them have EVER beaten Novak at slam level.
  • Many of them have NOT even beaten Novak in BO3.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
They might be able to beat him in 2022. Surely there's an upper limit to their ineptitude, right?

Of course, I said that about 2021 back in 2020. And 2020 back in 2019. And 2019 back in 2018. I may end up eating crow once again.
Exactly. Novak won't hand it to them. They have to earn it.
The thing is that they just don't seem to be good enough.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
I agree about the dominance, but on which criteria did you choose those players? I mean, how does Shapovalov even reach such a list for example?
 

mehdimike

Professional
Djokovic's record vs all the Big Next gen stars:

Alexander Zverev
  • Career record against Djokovic: 3-6
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 1-4
Stefanos Tsitsipas
  1. Career record against Djokovic: 2-6
  2. Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 1-6

Matteo Berrettini
  • Career record against Djokovic: 0-3
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 0-3

Denis Shapovalov
  • Career record against Djokovic: 0-7
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 0-7

Daniil Medvedev
  • Career record against Djokovic: 3-5
  • Record vs. Djokovic since 2019: 3-3

Novak is 27-8 vs all the next Gen.

Dominance does NOT even begin to describe it.

  • None of the contenders left in the UsOpen have EVER won a slam.
  • None of them have EVER beaten Novak at slam level.
  • Many of them have NOT even beaten Novak in BO3.
So after "since 2011" meme, we are gonna deal with since 2019?! :laughing:
 
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Raiden

Hall of Fame
What will his ranking points be if he wins this slam?

And by the way can someone help me whether last year's French Open points have already dropped off? (or is it part of the covid-preserved stuff that will not drop off until October or something?
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
What will his ranking points be if he wins this slam?

And by the way can someone help me whether last year's French Open points have already dropped off? (or is it part of the covid-preserved stuff that will not drop off until October or something?
2020 or 2021 French Open (or 50% of 2019 French Open points if it's better) will stay on until the 2022 French Open.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
10-1 vs Federer and Nadal in the Slams since '14 Wim. People need to be reminded.

Why do people thrash the next gen, but not Federer and Nadal? Who are supposed to ATG's anyway?

When Djokovic plays a certain player, he always learns more about the match up than the other guy, so his record tends to improve.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
That part is the most impressive. And nuts. Not even caught out on a bad day to be beaten. Pretty incredible. Even if I do think Next Gen have plenty of flaws. Can only play the competition that is provided to you.
Absolutely. Imagine how hard it will be for them.
Everyone focusses on pressure on Novak.
But what about next gen - they have NEVER beaten Novak in a best of 5 match!!
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
I agree about the dominance, but on which criteria did you choose those players? I mean, how does Shapovalov even reach such a list for example?
Shapo made Wimb SF. He IS the upcoming next gen. Who else would you choose?
I listed every single next gen with a chance to win a slam.
 
They’ll catch up as djokovic continues to age though. Djokovic is only concerned with slams so he’ll probably be losing a lot of best of 3s to them
 

beard

Legend
At slams:
Zverev... 0:2
Medvedev... 0:2
Shapovalov... 0:2
Berrettini... 0:2
Tsiztsipas... 0:2

Combined 0:10



Federer best "glory days" rivals against him, at slams:
Roddick... 0:8
Hewwit... 0:8

Combined 0:16






I guess we should give those guys from the OP more chances to show how great they are, and hope they will reach level of greatness of Hewwit and Roddick... ;)
 

Sunny014

Legend
That part is the most impressive. And nuts. Not even caught out on a bad day to be beaten. Pretty incredible. Even if I do think Next Gen have plenty of flaws. Can only play the competition that is provided to you.
Novak has 94.6% win record vs guys younger to him in slams, that is an abnormal stat.

No other ATGs has had more than 90-91 even at their peak and by their 30s it dipped into the 80s and sometimes even 70s, but in Novak's case it is still 94.6 % ... shocking numbers
 

Sunny014

Legend
Win % of a player in Slams in matches played against guys younger to him in age

When Borg retired his Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 86.36% and this was because he ran away at age 26 instead of playing next gen to lower his numbers further.

Lets check for other greats

On 1st Jan 1977 Jimmy Connors's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 88.24% and by the time he retired it dropped to 79.46%
On 1st Jan 1984 John Mcenroe's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 84.85% and by the time he retired it dropped to 78%
On 1st Jan 1985 Ivan Lendl's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 90% and by the time he retired it dropped to 80.89%
On 1st Jan 1996 Pete Sampras's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 91.3% and by the time he retired it dropped to 84.48%
On 1st Jan 2008 Roger Federer's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 89.47% and today it is 85.03%
On 1st Jan 2009 Rafael Nadal's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 92.31% and today it is 89.51%

On 1st Jan 2014 Djokovic's win % in slams was 100%, later at the US open 2014 Nishikori became the 1st person younger than Djokovic to beat him and Djokovic's % dropped to 97.14%, later this % dropped to 96% after his second loss to Sam Querrey in 2016 Wimbledon, now finally in 2021 is a grand 94.62% which is higher than the peak of every all time great ......
 

Tennisfan339

Semi-Pro
For the 25yo (or less) in the top-50, he is also
2-0 against Hurkacz,
1-0 against Ruud,
1-0 against Sinner
2-0 against Garin
1-0 against Humbert
4-1 against Khachanov
2-0 against Davidovich
1-0 against Tiafoe
4-0 aganst Coric
4-0 against Fritz

Still hasn't played guys like Rublev, Auger-Aliassime, Bublik, DeMinaur, Opelka, harris, Alcaraz or Korda but something tells be the h2h would look the same.

So far only the new "big-3" beat him more than once. But never in a slam, like you said.

I would say Zverev is the one who beat him in the biggest matches. Masters final, Olympics and WTF final. That's more impressive than Medvedev and Tsitsipas' wins in Round Robin or early rounds of Masters.
 
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beard

Legend
Win % of a player in Slams in matches played against guys younger to him in age

When Borg retired his Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 86.36% and this was because he ran away at age 26 instead of playing next gen to lower his numbers further.

Lets check for other greats

On 1st Jan 1977 Jimmy Connors's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 88.24% and by the time he retired it dropped to 79.46%
On 1st Jan 1984 John Mcenroe's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 84.85% and by the time he retired it dropped to 78%
On 1st Jan 1985 Ivan Lendl's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 90% and by the time he retired it dropped to 80.89%
On 1st Jan 1996 Pete Sampras's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 91.3% and by the time he retired it dropped to 84.48%
On 1st Jan 2008 Roger Federer's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 89.47% and today it is 85.03%
On 1st Jan 2009 Rafael Nadal's Matches won % in Slams over everyone younger than him was 92.31% and today it is 89.51%

On 1st Jan 2014 Djokovic's win % in slams was 100%, later at the US open 2014 Nishikori became the 1st person younger than Djokovic to beat him and Djokovic's % dropped to 97.14%, later this % dropped to 96% after his second loss to Sam Querrey in 2016 Wimbledon, now finally in 2021 is a grand 94.62% which is higher than the peak of every all time great ......
Lol, thanks for confirming how Novak is great ;)
 

Sunny014

Legend
Lol, thanks for confirming how Novak is great ;)
I had opened a post on this sometime back

 

Sunny014

Legend
Isn't Andy older?!
He is older
Why do you have doubts?

Nishikori was the 1st person younger than Djokovic to beat DJokvoic in a slam and that happened in 2014 when Novak was 27
Martin Del Potro was the 1st person younger than Nadal to beat Nadal in a slam and that happened in 2009 when Dal was 23
Mario Ancic was the 1st person younger than Federer to beat Federer in a slam and that happened in 2002 when Federer was 21
 

mehdimike

Professional
He is older
Why do you have doubts?

Nishikori was the 1st person younger than Djokovic to beat DJokvoic in a slam and that happened in 2014 when Novak was 27
Martin Del Potro was the 1st person younger than Nadal to beat Nadal in a slam and that happened in 2009 when Dal was 23
Mario Ancic was the 1st person younger than Federer to beat Federer in a slam and that happened in 2002 when Federer was 21
Ah now I got it:)
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
Meds is impressive. Also it looks good want to make it look better ? Do slam record now.

See this is most people’s problem that aren’t Djokovic fans is that next gen can beat Djokovic and there level at times is very high just on the big stage they fold. As I’ve said before it’s not losing to Djokovic in slams that’s the problem it’s the way they lose no will no fight
 
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