Djokovic's MTO, how much did it effect the match?

A good match overall but you can't help but feel Nadal's momentum he had going into the set was totally disrupted by Djok's medical. Sure according to the tournament director, it wasn't against the rules but Novak certainly didn't look injured by the last few games.
 

ViscaB

Hall of Fame
Rafa lost momentum but looked very tired anyway in the 4th set. He lost the physical battle. A sudden jump in stamina from one year to the other like this is pretty unique. Rafa needs the number of Djokovic's doctor.
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
A good match overall but you can't help but feel Nadal's momentum he had going into the set was totally disrupted by Djok's medical. Sure according to the tournament director, it wasn't against the rules but Novak certainly didn't look injured by the last few games.
his 100mph first serves beg to differ.

Nadal got what he deserved after all the MTO crap he's been pulling all these years.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
It was probably the best fight I have ever seen from Rafa when he's behind that's for sure! Best level? Hell to the no.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
Nadal at his absolute best with a slight drop in Djokovic's level resulted in a 7-6 set for Nadal.

and how do the *******s even have the bal*s to criticize anyone for taking a MTO? :shock:
 

mcenroefan

Hall of Fame
It's a joke that you're questioning the validity of that MTO....the guy was was clearly hurt and was serving 100 mph spinners in the 4th set. But I guess you think that was part of some elaborate act?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
It was probably the best fight I have ever seen from Rafa when he's behind that's for sure! Best level? Hell to the no.
Nadal went for broke in that set and it payed off almost every time. Seriously, that was the best set he's played ever. If you think otherwise, I wanna know which set you're thinking about, then.
 

Beryl

Hall of Fame
The massage and pain killers were kicking in for Djoko. He NEEDED to win that 4th set, otherwise his back would have become more of an issue in the 5th.

However, Nadal looked completely gassed at the end. It looks like the toll of running more on most points throughout the match and then going completely all out in the 3rd came back to get him.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
What about the MTO crap Djokovic has been pulling for years?
LOL, you along with your clay courter fans are the last person who can diss Djokovic for taking a MTO. I can't even remember all the matches Nadal has won thanks to taking a MTO.

I dare Nadal to face Djokovic at the Australian Open when the difference is even wider. I DARE HIM.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Nadal was just gassed in the 4th. He spent the whole match sprinting left and right. The guy is a legend for fighting as hard as he did, but Djokovic was the better player and swung freely in the last set.
 
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DeShaun

Banned
Nadal went for broke in that set and it payed off almost every time. Seriously, that was the best set he's played ever. If you think otherwise, I wanna know which set you're thinking about, then.
His hold to open the fourth carried some potent force , I thought. Seemed to fire a message (at Nadal) saying in effect: "I'm not done with you yet, boy." When he backed that up with a hard fought break in game two, the match looked over.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
If Nadal got tired, it was because he was expending several times his normal energy level running and hitting, serve % aside, in those first two sets trying to blitz Djok and jump to an early lead. Worked for the first two games each set. And in the third he was playing out of his mind for his life. No surprise even Nadal had nothing left in the fourth.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
He was struggling physically towards the middle to end of the 3rd set, you could see it, he couldn't get any first serves in, but yeah you see it so many times, guy takes a MTO and the other guy then loses serve. However Nadal has done it plenty of times nad given what had happened the rest of the match, Nadal getting broken wasn't a surprise, with or without the MTO
 

chrischris

Hall of Fame
He was struggling physically towards the middle to end of the 3rd set, you could see it, he couldn't get any first serves in, but yeah you see it so many times, guy takes a MTO and the other guy then loses serve. However Nadal has done it plenty of times nad given what had happened the rest of the match, Nadal getting broken wasn't a surprise, with or without the MTO
I guess if one really and honestly feels that one isbeing cheated by the other guy taking an unneccessary MTO and one lose serve then simply take your own directly after the loss of serve to return the 'favor' and have the other guy feel his own medicine.
 

als47

Rookie
If the MTO shifted the momentum of the match, then all we've seen is what happens when someone does to Rafa what he does to others. If we've derided others over the years for not having the mental toughness to cope with that strategy, then it's interesting to see Nadal hoisted with his own petard.
 

FlamEnemY

Hall of Fame
Wow. To the people who say it's cheating, yeah, I'm sure Novak willingly dropped his 1st serve % and rolled <100mph serves in. Just so that he can take a MTO and troll Rafa.
 
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celoft

Guest
Rafa lost momentum but looked very tired anyway in the 4th set. He lost the physical battle. A sudden jump in stamina from one year to the other like this is pretty unique. Rafa needs the number of Djokovic's doctor.
Fedal need Nole's egg(juice).
 

Hood_Man

Legend
The reason why I think the MTO was legit, and it's the same reason why I'v never criticised Nadal for taking them when he was down against my favourite player Federer, is that surely the reason why Novak was able to play better after the MTO, was simply because the MTO did its job.

Pain killers, massages etc, if the players didn't jump up rejuvenated after having one, they wouldn't take them in the first place.

Did it affect Nadal? Of course it did, it slowed him down, he had to sit there and cool off and lose all of the adrenaline that he'd build up from winning that 3rd set. When he got back up suddenly he could feel how tired his body actually was, and he couldn't re-energise himself again.

I don't see any reason why that wouldn't have happened anyway on a normal changeover though. Or indeed at any point in the 4th set. After all, for the first time in the match Novak was serving first, he would have had the advantage.

I don't think it made that big a difference today. Nadal didn't lose because of one MTO, he was already 2-1 down at that point, having played over 3 and a half gruelling hours.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
Nadal was running on pure adrenaline by the end of the 3rd set, nothing else. He had nothing left. The MTO allowed his body to cool down, and there was no coming back from there.
 
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
Fed came within two luck shots away from knocking the guy out of two GS semifinals. Djokovic is UNBELIEVABLY good at the moment, but it seems that only Fed can hit a high enough gear to beat him over 5 sets.
 

Tony48

Legend
The MTO was a blip on the radar. It had little, if any effect on the match. Djokovic had what, 26 BPs? He was gonna lose on way or another.
 
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celito

Rookie
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
Federer came twice in the US Open within a hairline of "touching" him. And beat him in the French. he is not untouchable.
 
Dude Nadal wouldn't keep that third set level. Personally I think that 7-6 set he won today against Djokovic was the best set of tennis he's ever played in his life. This is what it takes to challenge Djokovic nowadays. I'm kinda shocked now how Federer could easily lead him 7-6 6-4 and then screw up 2 match points.

Nobody is touching Djokovic as long as he keeps anything close to this level.
But the fact was that Fed had him down 2 match points and a net cord bailed out the Djoker. But props to DJ for pulling that out. That was serious heart.
 

jokinla

Hall of Fame
It had an affect, but if Nadal couldn't do better than 6-1 against a wounded Djoker hitting only second serves, then MTO or not he deserves to lose.
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
BS Medical. That was no injury, it was soreness due to fatigue. If we had all tennis players (or all athletes for that matter) taking breaks because they were tired, woah, how pathetic would that be? You sign up for a marathon, you run out of breath? tough luck. But in tennis we appear to reward the sissy who has to have visual contact with his box for positive reinforcement (not the Scottish one, the Serbian). The MTO cut off Nadal's building momentum. He was just as tired as Novak but adrenalin had him going. This pause turned it off and the spa-esque treatment had revitalized his opponent.

I am a Federer fan and I am not bitter about Fed losing to Novak 2 years in a row in an inexplicable manner. I just can't get my head around how many people fail to recognise Djokovic's gamesmanship.
 

ChanceEncounter

Hall of Fame
BS Medical. That was no injury, it was soreness due to fatigue. If we had all tennis players (or all athletes for that matter) taking breaks because they were tired, woah, how pathetic would that be? You sign up for a marathon, you run out of breath? tough luck. But in tennis we appear to reward the sissy who has to have visual contact with his box for positive reinforcement (not the Scottish one, the Serbian). The MTO cut off Nadal's building momentum. He was just as tired as Novak but adrenalin had him going. This pause turned it off and the spa-esque treatment had revitalized his opponent.

I am a Federer fan and I am not bitter about Fed losing to Novak 2 years in a row in an inexplicable manner. I just can't get my head around how many people fail to recognise Djokovic's gamesmanship.
So your theory is that Djokovic started spinning in 100 mph serves because...

He was tired? Then why wasn't he spinning in 100 mph serves in other matches that went the distance?

He was faking? Why would he risk gimping his game to be a convincing fake? And if he can beat Nadal 6-1 while faking an injury, then he deserves to win anyway.
 

cucio

Legend
ef·fect
verb /iˈfekt/ 
1. Cause (something) to happen; bring about

I think it would be difficult to justify how a MTO during a match did actually "effect" it. It's all a matter of causality. Maybe as a poetic licence, if you were referring to its development and not its existence.
 

acehigh

Rookie
I think since Djokovic was getting his back massage, Nadal should have got a trainer out and get his legs massage too during the MTO instead of waiting. Either that or no MTO for cramp. Nadal momentum certainly cooled a bit as he was all pumped up at the end of the 3rd game tiebreaker. I think the critical game was the 1st game of the 4th. If Nadal managed to have broken Djokovic then, it would have been over. However, Djokovic managed to hold and he was running on pure adrenaline from there.
 

Colin

Professional
I would have liked to have seen Nadal stage a counter-MTO in protest as only he could, perhaps tripping while arranging his water bottles during Djokovic's MTO. Then Nadal could have brought a trainer out to look at a potentially broken foot or internal injuries, thus upstaging Djokovic's massage.

But in the end, alas, Nole got his happy ending.
 

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
I think since Djokovic was getting his back massage, Nadal should have got a trainer out and get his legs massage too during the MTO instead of waiting. Either that or no MTO for cramp. Nadal momentum certainly cooled a bit as he was all pumped up at the end of the 3rd game tiebreaker. I think the critical game was the 1st game of the 4th. If Nadal managed to have broken Djokovic then, it would have been over. However, Djokovic managed to hold and he was running on pure adrenaline from there.
Thats what i think too. Nadal was unable to take advantage, and once he let Djokovic have that easy 3-0 lead, it was all over
 

Laver777

Rookie
i think the medical time outs are complete bull sh$t. its ok to get some strapping and a bandaid if you have blisters. but it should be no more than 2 mins. if you need to take time out to get a stretch and ultrasound. you should retire. tennis is about physical grinding down the other player thats why over 5 sets the fitter player wins.
 

JohnnyCracker

Semi-Pro
let's face it - Djokovic is better than Nadal in all aspects
Nadal was outplayed, outgrinded, outtimed-between-serve, outlasted. Djokovic even outMTOed him. :lol:
 

Rippy

Hall of Fame
I thought that was "affect", as in "Nadal was affected by the effect of Novak's MTO."

Maybe you're being sarcastic and I didn't catch on.
Effect can be a verb as well, but it's not the right word in the thread title.

"Djokovic's MTO effected a power shift in the match" for example, would be correct.

"Djokovic's MTO effected Nadal" is wrong.

"Djokovic's MTO affected Nadal" is right.
 
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