I am not a Djokovic fan but people hardly recognize this amazing achievement. If Federer had a NCYGS it would have been considered greater than Laver's two CYGS (3 surfaces vs 2) and it would have featured right at the top of Federer's achievements but I hardly see anyone talking about Djokovic's NCYGS. Just a thought!
Djokovic's NCYGS should get more appreciation
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Fedforever
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Yes, it probably doesn't get enough recognition. Perhaps because there isn't a really catchy way of describing it like "Serena slam"?
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Novak's NCYGS is one of the greatest achievements in men's tennis and I'm sure that every genuine tennis fan has an enormous respect for what he's achieved. I don't think it isn't appreciated.
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TU87
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IMO there are a couple reasons it didn't. First there was no time to really analyze it or appreciate it as Wimbledon was 3 weeks later. If for example the NCYGS was completed at the Australian Open, there would be more time for it to be talked about before the next slam. Then you throw in Djokovic going out early at Wimbledon. Second is Djokovic's sponsors didn't advertise/capitalize on it. You can bet had Nadal or Federer ever completed a NCYGS in their careers, Nike would have been all over it with promotions and TV ads. I've always said a big reason for Nadal and Federer's status, besides winning of course, has been their affiliation with Nike. Nike brands and markets their athletes better than any other sports company. Uniqlo and Adidas did absolutely nothing to market Djokovic's NCYGS.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I think it will be appreciated much more as time passes (barring anyone matching it). Let's be honest, it's mostly underappreciated around here because so many of us Fed and Andy fans were resentful of him dominating our guys to accomplish it.
Good points, but can't blame Adidas other than for dropping him in favor of Murray, a decision I am sure they regretted soon. Djokovic's real wins came when he was with Sergio Tacchini and later Uniqlo. Adidas is second only to Nike in terms of marketing.
Edit: I think you were talking about his Adidas shoes but he didn't have a primary contract with Adidas.
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TheAssassin
Legend
It would have been even more stunning if Novak pulled it off at 2012 RG considering some of his competitors were in better form back then, but his NCYGS is still remarkable. To win 28 consecutive BO5 matches across 3 different surfaces (yes I know they aren't as different as they used to be, but still different, even today's players all have preferences) takes an insane amount of consistency. The fact he was also battling his RG demons while going for something nobody has done in almost half a century makes his achievement even more impressive.
Djokovic having a big slump instantly after the NCYGS probably had a negative impact but I think the appreciation will grow as time passes because I don't see anyone achieving 4 in a row again for a while. Most of the players that are generally considered greater than Djokovic and get more attention in some of the media and so on have never achieved this and people will notice that and say this guy did something quite special - ruled all biggest events at once. Those people who call it unimpressive, and they can be easily found in this place, are free to live in hatred and denial.
Djokovic having a big slump instantly after the NCYGS probably had a negative impact but I think the appreciation will grow as time passes because I don't see anyone achieving 4 in a row again for a while. Most of the players that are generally considered greater than Djokovic and get more attention in some of the media and so on have never achieved this and people will notice that and say this guy did something quite special - ruled all biggest events at once. Those people who call it unimpressive, and they can be easily found in this place, are free to live in hatred and denial.
Adv. Edberg
Legend
I think because it was and is such a weak era in tennis, it just doesn't feel very impressive. He didn't even have to try very hard to win some of the slams.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
I think most knowledgeable tennis fans are able to recognise this incredible feat which had not been done since 1969 in the men's game.
The media just didn't do enough to get the message out there to all the others. Novak should have been the poster boy for the ATP at the time and journalists should have focused attention in it for as long as possible.
Unfortunately the timing was such that Wimbledon came right after it (like others have already said) and he lost early, which opened up the door for Murray. So all the attention immediately switched to Murray, who then rode the media and the momentum to clean up the second half of the year.
The media just didn't do enough to get the message out there to all the others. Novak should have been the poster boy for the ATP at the time and journalists should have focused attention in it for as long as possible.
Unfortunately the timing was such that Wimbledon came right after it (like others have already said) and he lost early, which opened up the door for Murray. So all the attention immediately switched to Murray, who then rode the media and the momentum to clean up the second half of the year.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Give it a few more years and it will get the recognition it deserves.
Already people are missing him and his old level after 2017
Already people are missing him and his old level after 2017
tennisaddict
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tennisaddict
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It is a phenomenal achievement but the fact that his main opponent in Wimb 2015, USO 2015 and AO 2016 was a 34 year old man took the sheen of it.
duaneeo
Legend
You must be suffering from amnesia. Djokovic's NCYGS was discussed on this board ad nauseam. Is Nole now greater than Nadal? Is Djokovic now greater than Sampras? Is Nole's NCYGS more impressive than Laver's CYGS? Is Nole's NCYGS the greatest feat ever in tennis? Blah, blah, blah, blah.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Here we go....
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is probably just happy to build the numbers, knowing he was not going to reach the Laver platform.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
It matters not who won, but a "NCYGS" is not so celebrated as it is only a reference to the fact it is not the supreme tennis achievement of the Grand Slam. Its like the "_______ Slam" consolation prize tossed at players who never had the concentrated dominance to win it all in the calendar year.
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Couldn’t agree more.
There is hardly a whisker to separate Roger, Rafa and Novak when you really think about it.
There is hardly a whisker to separate Roger, Rafa and Novak when you really think about it.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
OP, Novak's achievement is well respected and noted by anyone, who loves the game and knows how difficult it is to achieve something like that.
The only reason to not be so regularly discussed here is that Novak is not quite in the conversations for the best player of the modern era yet (perhaps a bit overshadowed by the impressive year both Nadal and Federer have had) as it seems that that is what fuels most discussion around here and the timing of it ( Novak being absent because of the injury).
Hopefully Novak will come back strong and reinstall himself as one of the candidates for the best ever. Then the argument about this extraordinary achievement will be brought forward by the more knowledgeable.
The only reason to not be so regularly discussed here is that Novak is not quite in the conversations for the best player of the modern era yet (perhaps a bit overshadowed by the impressive year both Nadal and Federer have had) as it seems that that is what fuels most discussion around here and the timing of it ( Novak being absent because of the injury).
Hopefully Novak will come back strong and reinstall himself as one of the candidates for the best ever. Then the argument about this extraordinary achievement will be brought forward by the more knowledgeable.
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Pretty much this.OP, Novak's achievement is well respected and noted by anyone, who loves the game and knows how difficult it is to achieve something like that.
The only reason to not be so regularly discussed here is that Novak is not quite in the conversations for the best player of the modern era yet (perhaps a bit overshadowed by the impressive year both Nadal and Federer have had) as it seems that that is what fuels most discussion around here and the timing of it ( Novak being absent because of the injury).
Hopefully Novak will come back strong and reinstall himself as one of the candidates for the best ever. Then the argument about this extraordinary achievement will be brought forward by the more knowledgeable.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
With or without NCYGS, with or without the 12 majors, Novak has established himself as an ATG purely based on the strength he showed between 2011-16.
Does not matter what recognition media gives, he will be a legend.
Does not matter what recognition media gives, he will be a legend.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Novak's NCYGS is appreciated enough by any knowledgeable person. It was an amazing accomplishment. But because of recency bias, Fedal have taken the spotlight and Djokovic has been left behind. But not forgotten.
If he gets back on track, he will be in the spotlight again.
If he gets back on track, he will be in the spotlight again.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It should have gotten more coverage and recognition, and I think what @TU87 said about his sponsors not mentioning or promoting it is a very good point, as Nike would have went all out if Federer or Nadal had achieved this. I also think that the media did not give it the attention it should have gotten even though it was only 3 weeks from Wimbledon at the time. This is an article that I read at the time from NBC about why it was not being talked about it more: http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/the-djoker-slam/?utm_network=twitter&utm_post=5895521&utm_source=TW @NBCSports&utm_tags=srm
I think the more important reason is because for years the media heralded Federer as the greatest of his generation, the face of men's tennis and the guy who would achieve more than anybody for decades on end. Then came Nadal so they had to factor in this great tennis player and this great rivalry, although it really wasn't much of a rivalry for a while there, and used this to push the sport and included Nadal as Federer's equal. It was really the Federer and Nadal show for a good 5 years when both were in their primes and these two got all the attention from the media and sponsors during this time. Djokovic was really the consistent outsider and no one ever saw Djokovic's domination coming or his 10+ Slams. They never predicted this would happen, so when it did and he achieved that amazing NCYGS they really didn't know what to say since for years they had already predicted that no one would touch what Federer and Nadal achieved. It's like the Kentucky derby where two horses are the huge favorites and talked about all over the press and media, and no other horse stands a chance. Then the lesser known horse comes out of the race not only becoming the winner but doing something the two "presumably better" horses never did. That's what I feel happened here and why the media didn't cover it as much as they probably should have. It was like they bet on a different horse that could achieve this and when it was more of an outsider, they didn't know what to say since for a long time they thought the other two were better and out of his league.
I think the more important reason is because for years the media heralded Federer as the greatest of his generation, the face of men's tennis and the guy who would achieve more than anybody for decades on end. Then came Nadal so they had to factor in this great tennis player and this great rivalry, although it really wasn't much of a rivalry for a while there, and used this to push the sport and included Nadal as Federer's equal. It was really the Federer and Nadal show for a good 5 years when both were in their primes and these two got all the attention from the media and sponsors during this time. Djokovic was really the consistent outsider and no one ever saw Djokovic's domination coming or his 10+ Slams. They never predicted this would happen, so when it did and he achieved that amazing NCYGS they really didn't know what to say since for years they had already predicted that no one would touch what Federer and Nadal achieved. It's like the Kentucky derby where two horses are the huge favorites and talked about all over the press and media, and no other horse stands a chance. Then the lesser known horse comes out of the race not only becoming the winner but doing something the two "presumably better" horses never did. That's what I feel happened here and why the media didn't cover it as much as they probably should have. It was like they bet on a different horse that could achieve this and when it was more of an outsider, they didn't know what to say since for a long time they thought the other two were better and out of his league.
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Of course he can't and no one will have a chance to win 3 slams on grass and 1 on clay in a year. The Grand Slam today are more difficult since one must win on all 3 different surfaces(HC, Grass, Clay) and all slam tournaments have 128-man draw.
And your life must revolve around this forum! I couldn't care less about the relentless Nole trolls we had on this forum until a year or so ago. I wasn't talking about this forum in particular but it didn't get as much coverage in popular media as it should have.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
Well no... Even the way he got it was pretty lame, beating his pigeon in the final with Murray playing absolutely awful and not really over the whole Mauresmo thing as yet. He got the credit he deserved at the time, now it's time to move on.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
Double post.
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
At 2016 AO his main opponent was 28 year old Murray.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
NatF
Bionic Poster
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
His final opponent was Murray - his main opponent was Federer
Both were pigeons when it mattered though in 2015 and 2016. Both also managed to scrape the odd win around this time.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
It's definitely underappreciated.
- Wimbledon came only a few weeks after, and Djokovic lost early
- Djokovic didn't win a slam since, and his dominance basically ended straight away. If people were talking more about Djokovic, they'd talk about his greatest achievement more
- It was touted as the Fed Slam for years. Federer had shots at it and got beaten by Rafa. Djokovic has actually beaten Rafa at RG, but not in the year that he won, that's also a small thing
- Lastly, the tennis world is always biased to Fedal compared to Murrovic (especially Djoko since he's not Brit)
- Right now there's so many distractions
- Fedal having the comebacks they've had
- The whole goddamn NextGen thing. Fedal have obliterated a super weak year and every title they've won has been overly promoted as a sign fo the next gen.
- Ever since the Australian Open, the world of tennis has been overly occupied with sucking Roger Federer's metaphorical ****. It's always kinda been the case, but they've taken it up a few notches this year.
In reality, the weak era is an excuse for Fedboys to talk down on Djokovic's dominance in his greatest years.
Kind Regards, not even a Djokovic fan.
- Wimbledon came only a few weeks after, and Djokovic lost early
- Djokovic didn't win a slam since, and his dominance basically ended straight away. If people were talking more about Djokovic, they'd talk about his greatest achievement more
- It was touted as the Fed Slam for years. Federer had shots at it and got beaten by Rafa. Djokovic has actually beaten Rafa at RG, but not in the year that he won, that's also a small thing
- Lastly, the tennis world is always biased to Fedal compared to Murrovic (especially Djoko since he's not Brit)
- Right now there's so many distractions
- Fedal having the comebacks they've had
- The whole goddamn NextGen thing. Fedal have obliterated a super weak year and every title they've won has been overly promoted as a sign fo the next gen.
- Ever since the Australian Open, the world of tennis has been overly occupied with sucking Roger Federer's metaphorical ****. It's always kinda been the case, but they've taken it up a few notches this year.
In reality, the weak era is an excuse for Fedboys to talk down on Djokovic's dominance in his greatest years.
Kind Regards, not even a Djokovic fan.
fedtennisphan
Hall of Fame
More like one is just fine with his status, while the other two are desperate to be included.
TheAssassin
Legend
So they were pigeons for losing to Djokovic in form of his life but you'd never say that for any opponents that Pete or Rafa beat in Majors. That's not cool.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
It is strange indeed he hasn't got more cred.
Nadal_Django
Legend
The problem is that he comes from Serbia, and not some "cool" country like Switzerland or Germany, and he is the ultimate anti establishment poster boy out there. I'm afraid no Nike, Mercedes or Rolex for Djokovic, no media bias, no tea parties with the Prince William and the Queen and certainly no Moet and Chandon for the poor serbian.
Nadal_Django
Legend
This. If only in this time period he could've faced the players of Davydenko, Blake or Roddick's magnitude, everything would have been different.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
You mean the GOAT and one of the 15 greatest players of the Open Era?
Something tells me if Novak had beaten a bunch of above average guys in their mid twenties during that period you'd say it was even weaker. 
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
I guess Djokovic crashing out right after holding 4 in a row diminishes it somewhat. The feeling is that it was too huge for him, and he couldn't bear the weight of expectations. Such a sudden fall from grace leaves a bitter taste and takes the shine away.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
I guess Djokovic crashing out right after holding 4 in a row diminishes it somewhat. The feeling is that it was too huge for him, and he couldn't bear the weight of expectations. Such a sudden fall from grace leaves a bitter taste and takes the shine away.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The problem is that he comes from Serbia, and not some "cool" country like Switzerland or Germany, and he is the ultimate anti establishment poster boy out there. I'm afraid no Nike, Mercedes or Rolex for Djokovic, no media bias, no tea parties with the Prince William and the Queen and certainly no Moet and Chandon for the poor serbian.
You are so salty it makes my risotto bitter.
Until recently Djokovic was sponsored by Audemars Piguet, a watch company that is considered above Rolex in exclusivity and quality.
He wears Lacoste, which makes better apparel than Nike or Adidas and is certainly considered more upscale and Adidas shoes, which uhm, makes your point also untrue.
Ironically, he was at one point affiliated with Mercedes.
Now, Serbia is as popular as any other country from the same region and he is making it more so with his career.
Whether it is cool depends on what you know about it, just like Germany and Switzerland are not only "cool".
Mainad
Bionic Poster
His final opponent was Murray - his main opponent was Federer
Main opponents are the ones who make the final.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Main opponents are the ones who make the final.
Main opponents are the ones who showcase the best level
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
You mean the GOAT and one of the 15 greatest players of the Open Era?
Yes.The "weak era" argument is just an excuse for posters to hit on the players they dislike. Players can only beat the people put in front of them. To have the mental concentration and physical strength to win four majors in a row is extraordinary, as was Fed's slam record between 2004-2007. Players can't beat peak Fed, peak Rafa or peak Djoko in every final they play.
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Or peak Nadal, which would have meant no CYGS or NCYGS.This. If only in this time period he could've faced the players of Davydenko, Blake or Roddick's magnitude, everything would have been different.
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