djokovic's racquet

Ross K

Legend
Thank you for saying this as I suspected this but did not want to get murdered by PT630 enthusiasts who believe that he uses pt630. That throat (heart), and bridge (yoke) look exactly how my lm radical mold looked like, even the rimof the racket is little more rounded like lm and not flat like pt630.

They probably added that sweet flexy pt630 hoop layup to lm mold like you said and made it as flexy as novak likes it.

That being said leaded LM Radical to about 12.5 grams and 31-32 cm balance was probably my second favorite racket right after my current no1 PT 630 :)

-G
Man, I wish someone could do this for me!:)

I so want this type of frame I'm seriously considering - to the point of now gathering up specific modding up advice - experimenting and customizing either an MG Rad MP or an AG300/4D 300 to make it a slightly less extreme Novak-style frame (ie a big SW, flexy buttery, lowish power, good static weight, big hitting/serving rod.)

Any tips on how to go about this anyone? Would be fantastic to get a tip or 2 from you guys!?...

Cheers

R.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Man, I wish someone could do this for me!:)

I so want this type of frame I'm seriously considering - to the point of now gathering up specific modding up advice - experimenting and customizing either an MG Rad MP or an AG300/4D 300 to make it a slightly less extreme Novak-style frame (ie a big SW, flexy buttery, lowish power, good static weight, big hitting/serving rod.)

Any tips on how to go about this anyone? Would be fantastic to get a tip or 2 from you guys!?...

Cheers

R.
Trouble is this is highly personal (for example some like flex on the serves and they feel they are serving bombs and some like stiff 70+ RA to make them feel like they are serving bombs)

I used lots of lead in the hoop to fine tune my lm radical I had, but... maybe CAPPING mg radical would be a better start than all you'd have to do is add leather grip and remaining lead or silicone in the handle to balance it as head light as you like it...
 

Ross K

Legend
Trouble is this is highly personal (for example some like flex on the serves and they feel they are serving bombs and some like stiff 70+ RA to make them feel like they are serving bombs)

I used lots of lead in the hoop to fine tune my lm radical I had, but... maybe CAPPING mg radical would be a better start than all you'd have to do is add leather grip and remaining lead or silicone in the handle to balance it as head light as you like it...
Hi dgoran,

Yes, I plan on either doing a custom job on the MG Rad MP or the AG300 or AG3004D (a TT member had some success with the latter frame attempting a very similar effect to me, ie, something a little akin to an easier to use, big hitting, softish, high SW PT630/LM Rad Tour/Novak-style rod.)

BTW, as you're here, I've actually asked you this but I don't think you've seen it (PT thread.) Q. What set up do you recommend for big power boost for the PT 630 (especially as re the serve)? And what's your exact string/tension set up? (I ask because I recall reading a post where you speak of the massive power you were getting on serve with your PT.)

Thanks,

R.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I just replied to your pt630 thread...but to answer your question I feel I was serving the best with Cyberflash around 56lb, NRG2 55 and blue gear at 60.

One thing is I can serve much better with a flexier racket Pure Storm tour non-gt than say Pure Drive. I have to lead Aeropro and Pure Drive at 12 in order to have some mass behind it and feel that I'm swinging. I am not sure that strings had much to do with my pt630 serving, I just like to serve with flexi racket that is it I think.

I recall you saying somewhere once that you did not like serving with flexi pure storm tour so I am thinking that maybe you prefere stiffer racket for serving purposes? What are your thoughts?
 

Ross K

Legend
dgoran,

I recall you saying somewhere once that you did not like serving with flexi pure storm tour so I am thinking that maybe you prefere stiffer racket for serving purposes? What are your thoughts?
Well, kind of...

I don't profess to naturally have the biggest serve out there and can do with any assistance I can get! That said, I serve fine with the Reb 95 (my last main frame), which is no mega-stiff rocket launcher, so I'm not 100 per cent sure tbh.

With the PT 630 I've tooed and frowed with it a bit for a few years now... because I like the frame in so many respects, I can't quite give it up! However, it is undoubtedly a tad demanding for me (hence the experiment referred to above ^.) And as well as that, I've had loads of hassle trying to get decent thinner gauge strings here in the UK (I think this is what would work well for spin generation and added power), and haven't particularly liked previous attempts (Duraflex... Head Fibregel... can't remember...) TBH, If I found a string set up that gave me a considerable power boost, a bit more topspin maybe, and was comfortable, well, I might just put in the hours and commit 100 per cent to seeing if I could make it work.

Please check out this and by all means post, if you feel so inclined:http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=296814

Cheers,

R.
 

PED

Legend
Ross, have you ever tried Kirschbaum pro line 2? It's a soft poly, great spin and great control. That might give you the oomph that you are looking for.

I use the 17g(1.25mm) and the spin is great - no need to drop down to 18g in this string IMO.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
dgoran,



Well, kind of...

I don't profess to naturally have the biggest serve out there and can do with any assistance I can get! That said, I serve fine with the Reb 95 (my last main frame), which is no mega-stiff rocket launcher, so I'm not 100 per cent sure tbh.

With the PT 630 I've tooed and frowed with it a bit for a few years now... because I like the frame in so many respects, I can't quite give it up! However, it is undoubtedly a tad demanding for me (hence the experiment referred to above ^.) And as well as that, I've had loads of hassle trying to get decent thinner gauge strings here in the UK (I think this is what would work well for spin generation and added power), and haven't particularly liked previous attempts (Duraflex... Head Fibregel... can't remember...) TBH, If I found a string set up that gave me a considerable power boost, a bit more topspin maybe, and was comfortable, well, I might just put in the hours and commit 100 per cent to seeing if I could make it work.

Please check out this and by all means post, if you feel so inclined:http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=296814

Cheers,

R.
Can you get Blue gear (white color) in UK? If you get that in 17 you will solve your power/spin problem in pt630...
 

Ross K

Legend
dgoran,

Doh!... never thought of that... Blue Gear in the PT eh?... Well, I have it in my C10 Pro and the spin is indeed bonkers, crazy!... I can rally for ever with my C10 Pro, but I can't always finish the point with the flattened winners... Yep, I'm sure 'operator error' to large degree, however, I have similar issues with serve power with the Volkl as well... hmm... I think my Blue Gear is 17g (1. 25), though it's light blue coloured not white (don't know if that signifies something important?)

Cyberflash I don't know.

NRG2 I know and like.


PED,

Kirschbaum?... I could do with a good soft poly option... shall make enquiries.


Cheers guys!

R.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Yes Blue gear pearl white as they call it over here in US maybe its my imagination or strong aversion to that electro blue color but I think white plays better.

Even comes in 1.18

I served the best with blue gear pearl white in my pt630 but overall I like cyberflash so far when everything is put together.
 

Yoakim

New User
I was talking to one of his volunteer drivers while he was in Australia for the 09 Brisbane International and he said that Novak told him that he was lacking form because he recently changed racquets. The driver I believe is a reliable source, he has nothing to gain by mentioning that information with me in an off topic chat. I believe that he did change racquets between the off season and the Brisbane International in 09. This leads me to believe that the racquet he used when he was with wilson is different to the one he is using with head now. It is obvious that he is not using the Speed Pro. But why would the racquet he was using with wilson be different than the one he is using with head. Would wilson have something against him using a head mold?
 
The thing I dont get is the introduction of the Speed Pro as Djokovicks signature racquet and then switching to the Speed 18 X 20? Why do that if its just a paintjob of an older racquet?
 

Ross K

Legend
Found this from a year or so ago. Might add a bit more to our understanding (though I thought his flex was low 50's?) Pics in link...


Racquet Man
I may be imagining this but did you not once post that you had Djokovic's real custom mold with the KBlade PJ that he personally given to you in Rome??? I'm pretty sure I recall reading this somewher. Am I correct?

If I'm correct, can you post the pictures of the racquet? Can you give us info on the weight, SW, how many points HL, etc.

Tarie
Thanks I don't rememberer if i wrote it on this board,but yes it's true.
These are the specs(unstrung):

336 gr
31.5 cm balance
60 RA
338 SW


As soon as possible i'll give you some pics.



Racquet Man
Thanks Tarie, I knew I read it somewhere. I too believ it was another board ( an italien board in fact). You confirmed I'm not losing my mind.

Great to have access to this racquet. We'd all be grateful for the photos and specs.

Remind us how you got it? Have you played with it?

Did you get the specs from measuring on a Babolat RDC or like machine?
Specs are from a Babolat RDC,yes.



Tarie
How did i get it?I've worked at the transportation during the tournament in Rome,and one day I had Novak in my car and speaking with him we bet that if he had won the tournament he would have given me his raquet.That's it!

I played with it,but my english is poor and I cannot explain well how it feels.
Anyway,really great spin and easy to find depth on shots,very precise,you feel that is 60RA,it seems you can hold the ball on the stringbed and give direction to it,very gentle on the arm.
It's a little heavy for me,not much the weight itself but the swingweight is little too high..

Inside the throat there are the specs of KBlade Tour on one side,on the other side there is this sticker.


JediMindTrick
This topic has been discussed to death many times in the past, so I'll just give a quick summary for our new forum members.
Djoko is not playing with any nBlade or kBlade of any kind because his racquet has a different string pattern. He is playing with a Wilson made clone of his old Head racquet. He said that himself... There is no general consensus on what is his old Head racquet, but the options most favoured by this forum's readers are the LiquidMetal Radical Tour and the Pro Tour 630.

I know this has been done to death (as is said ^), but some of us are newer to this info, so hope it helps!

The whole thread: (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=209166&page=2 )

R.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Found this from a year or so ago. Might add a bit more to our understanding (though I thought his flex was low 50's?) Pics in link...





I know this has been done to death (as is said ^), but some of us are newer to this info, so hope it helps!

The whole thread: (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=209166&page=2 )

R.
it's entirely possible that the specs i listed are not right, but I AM inclined to think they were right at least as far as his wilson frames are concerned. I mean, you can watch many of his matches from that time period, and you can see in the way he swings the frame that it has a high swingweight. with such a light frame as your quoted post listed, I also don't think he would have been able to apply as much pace on most shots. Nearly all pros play with a fairly subsantial swingweight, and some play with equally substantial static weights.

338 just seems too low.
 

Ross K

Legend
Well, let's see them side by side...


Courtesy of Cup who I think got the info from another poster:

He uses a custom HEAD manufactured with a 98" headsize, 18x20 string pattern, and what looks to be either 20 mm or 21 mm straight beam.

i read in another thread that these are his specs, though i don't know if they are for the new HEAD or for his older Wilson molds..

Weight: 360g
Balance: 32 cm
SW: 371
Flex: 51 RA.


Pretty hefty, but seemingly low-powered setup (12.6 oz, 7 pts hl (thereabouts) and a 371 swingweight, but only 51 RA)
Courtesy of Tarie:

Thanks I don't rememberer if i wrote it on this board,but yes it's true.
These are the specs(unstrung):

336 gr
31.5 cm balance
60 RA
338 SW


Anyway,really great spin and easy to find depth on shots,very precise,you feel that is 60RA,it seems you can hold the ball on the stringbed and give direction to it,very gentle on the arm.
It's a little heavy for me,not much the weight itself but the swingweight is little too high...
If I had to guess I'd say the 1st example strikes me as more likely. But it's just a guess at best and is certainly not casting doubt on Tarie's version. I simply can't say.

But what do others think about the 2 different versions?

R.
 

star 5 15

Professional
I'm going to make the assumption that the lighter spec is untrung on his old Wilson frames. The next spec is most likely strung with overgrip dampner and strings obviously. With him using two overgrips which are about 4 grams each, dampner about 2 or 3 grams, string 15 grams which would be close to the difference and with string and dampner that probably raises the sw about 33 or 34 units so just do the math. The first is unstrung and the second is fully strung and ready to
go.
 

Kick Serve 14

Professional
I'm going to make the assumption that the lighter spec is untrung on his old Wilson frames. The next spec is most likely strung with overgrip dampner and strings obviously. With him using two overgrips which are about 4 grams each, dampner about 2 or 3 grams, string 15 grams which would be close to the difference and with string and dampner that probably raises the sw about 33 or 34 units so just do the math. The first is unstrung and the second is fully strung and ready to
go.
your assumptions are most likely wise in this matter... however, i always thought that his racket was a little bit lighter than the specs of the strung frame...
 

ipitythefool

Semi-Pro
my own opinion, i think he is simply using a Speed 18x20 with lead under bumper, sili in handle and a flexy layup as opposed to the retail ver.
 

ipitythefool

Semi-Pro
Serious qsn: what does "flexy layup" mean exactly?... and how do I get it? :)

R.
how do you get it? hmmm...:) you start showing up in high level am games or ITF tourneys. somehow make your way into a future. then afterwards to challengers...when you get enough points you join the tour...(if you are a woman, you can take the alternative route. sleeping with an atp official should get you a once in a lifetime shot to join the tour) at this point, head will most likely sign a good faith contract and should sponsor you and give free sticks. now if you can probably make it up to top 100 or so, you may start receiving customized sticks directly from their pro rooms in china or kennelbach. now, if you can make it to top 10, you can ask head to create a brand new frame for you with your sig on it, you can get involved in the customization process...and basically ask the engineers to make it a "flexy layup" for you! :)
but not sure if we will see you in TW after all this happens.
 
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ipitythefool

Semi-Pro
Hey Vsbabolat,
Can we assume, like most other Head pros do, that he has lead under the bumper in the upper hoop and silicone in handle, i.e polarized weighting?

To my untrained eye, the upper portion of the head looks bigger to me than a stock LMR, but it can be very deceiving just looking at pics..
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Just to clarify vs, do you mean a MG Rad MP mold? Another Rad MP mold?

Secondly, what makes you say with such seeming conviction that it's a Rad MP mold exactly?
It is a Modern Radical MP Mold that HEAD has had snice 1999 with out any LM ridges or Flexpoints.


Head shape is not the same as the Speed Pro or Speed MP. Also th grooves in the ends of throat bridge on the Rdaical are longer than the Speed Pro or Speed MP that Head is saying now to cover their you know what.


Also the Bumper Gaurd on the Radical MP on the side with the shorter paint black ends with the black paint. On the Real Speed racquets the Black paint extends past the Bumpere Gaurd.
 

ahile02

Rookie
I think I once read a post by a guy who held Novak's racquets at Sydney saying that they were head heavy. Can anyone confirm that his racquets are head heavy?
 

star 5 15

Professional
I think I once read a post by a guy who held Novak's racquets at Sydney saying that they were head heavy. Can anyone confirm that his racquets are head heavy?
I don't think theyre had heavy but having a 370SW you could easily take a guess thinking they were head heavy if you ust picked it up.
 

ahile02

Rookie
I don't think theyre had heavy but having a 370SW you could easily take a guess thinking they were head heavy if you ust picked it up.
Yea you're probably right. 51 RA flex? Wow. That sounds like a pillow. Has there ever been a racquet available to the public with a 51 RA flex?
 

Tipsy

Rookie
Sorry to sound dumb here, but Djokovic is using a Radical MP of some kind, but it's effectively been painted white. I assume Head have done this for marketing reasons, but what's the point? Why don't they come out with the fact that he is playing with a radical? Is it because they only primarily want Murray associated with the Rads ans Djokovic with the Speeds, in theory selling more rackets?
 

Kick Serve 14

Professional
Sorry to sound dumb here, but Djokovic is using a Radical MP of some kind, but it's effectively been painted white. I assume Head have done this for marketing reasons, but what's the point? Why don't they come out with the fact that he is playing with a radical? Is it because they only primarily want Murray associated with the Rads ans Djokovic with the Speeds, in theory selling more rackets?
when you think about it... the answer is yes, and it makes sence, somewhat.... murray most likely uses a prestige, so what i dont understand is why he doesn't use the pj of that particualr racket. my only guess is that most of the other head users use a prestige pj, so my guess is that head hase a quota that makes it so that at least one player uses a radical, which means that murray is that man
 

tennispro19

Banned
when you think about it... the answer is yes, and it makes sence, somewhat.... murray most likely uses a prestige, so what i dont understand is why he doesn't use the pj of that particualr racket. my only guess is that most of the other head users use a prestige pj, so my guess is that head hase a quota that makes it so that at least one player uses a radical, which means that murray is that man
murray uses a customized prestige pro. he has been known for using a radical for all of his career, only reason it was seen to be capped for a while was because he used the i rad that was mainly black. head need him to endorse the radicals still, the prestiges sell them selves and have plenty of people using them. head obviously needed to fill a hole since andre retired.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
^^^
Murray did not use a REAL i.Radical MP with C.A.P. Grommets. It was a PT57 18x20 with i.Prestige MP C.A.P. Grommets.
 

Schwelli

New User
Correct, Bobby is full of it ;)

His Mains are at 26.5kg, crosses at 27.5 kg.

The racket is standard length.
Hello dr325i, are you sure that the crosses are strung tighter then the mains in Nole's setup? Because in the picture linked "27.5" is printed first and in other topics here on tis forum people also state that he strings "the normal way" with mains slightly tighter then crosses.

I don't doubt your information, i am just courious if you made a mistake or if you have other informations. :)
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Also guys keep in mind that 51 ra is not definitive. That figure was posted around on this forum like an absolute truth while in reality it came from one data point (one measurement took by now legendary Greg Raven).
 
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