Djokovic's reaction to the criticism of insufficient social distance on the Adria Tour

[Enceladus]

Source:

Novak Djokovic exclusive: Adria Tour 'didn't cross the line' - Eurosport

World number one Novak Djokovic has defended the staging of his Adria Tour event, which was criticised due to a lack of social distancing.

www.eurosport.com

Nole's reaction on the criticism:

• "I know there have been some criticisms as well especially coming from the West: 'why do we have a crowd? Why not having social distancing? What is going on and why are they having this kind of event in the midst of a very hard pandemic in the West?"
• "But, you know, it’s hard to explain to people that the situation is really, really different maybe in America or the UK than it is in Serbia or surrounding countries, and obviously from the day one of the organisation of the Adria Tour, [we have been] following the rules and the measures that have been regulated by obviously the government institution and the public health institution."
• "We have never crossed those lines, so we always waited for them to give us a green light whether we could or could not have the crowd, and then we asked them once we could have, how much we could have, whether there was a social distancing or not. So we have been through all those processes and the result of it all is amazing."
• "I’m extremely satisfied. I’m grateful to all the people that participated for the organisation in a very short time for this kind of event. You normally need three to six months, at least, to put everything together; we all did it in three to four weeks."
• "So it’s a huge effort, a huge success, and I think it’s a positive image for the sport in general, for tennis. I think it is important that we move on to do whatever we possibly can to provide opportunities for players regionally, continentally, and hopefully soon inter-continentally to compete and earn money, to earn points, and to live out of this sport as they [the players] have through all their careers."
• "We had to mobilise as many people as possible, trying to understand also the regulations and the measures that allow us to hold an event."
• "At the beginning we weren’t thinking that we would be able to have the crowd, and of course lots of people lost their lives because of the virus and it’s very difficult to understand how to approach it and how to behave."
• "As athletes and tennis players we obviously want to move on and find ways in areas in the world which maybe deal with the coronavirus better than other ones, and tried to organise an event, with the crowd, without the crowd, with prize money, trying to get sponsors involved."
• "So that is where the Adria Tour was born, and together with the tennis federation of Serbia and some individuals, we put this together and it did completely exceed my expectations. It was phenomenal."

 

[Lleytonstation]

Should have told us this before hand, we would all have been on board...

 

[Gazelle]

The West, criticizing others since 1054 AD.

 

[Mainad]

The West, criticizing others since 1054 AD.

"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth"


Rudyard Kipling "The Ballad of East and West".

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

'The West'

Translation: I hate the US Open Crowd.

 

[NoleFam]

'The West'

Translation: I hate the US Open Crowd.

We all hate the US Open crowd though, even the ones that live in the US. Lol.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

We all hate the US Open crowd though, even the ones that live in the US. Lol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1036751816787148801

 

[NoleFam]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1036751816787148801

Lol. What a waste of a cool, refreshing soda.

 

[octogon]

Is there some sort of payola (you scratch my back, we'll scratch yours) deal going on between Djokovic's camp and Eurosport? First he wins a very unlikely GOAT poll against Federer (whose fans always vote and bot like crazy to make sure he wins these things) and now Novak is going to them for podcast exclusives.

Seems a bit shady. And it's starting to make sense how Novak won that poll if he's suddenly providing exclusive content to Eurosport.

 

[SecondToNone]

First he wins a very unlikely GOAT poll against Federer

Roflmao who cares about that

 

[octogon]

Roflmao who cares about that

Djokovic, I'd imagine (and his parents). He's always felt like the third wheel between Federer and Nadal, so winning a poll like that (even if it's almost certainly rigged) would certainly massage his ego, at least for a week or two.

 

[SecondToNone]

Djokovic, I'd imagine (and his parents). He's always felt like the third wheel between Federer and Nadal, so winning a poll like that (even if it's almost certainly rigged) would certainly massage his ego, at least for a week or two.

LOL. You lot are creating certain picture of Djokovic so that later you can attack it.

 

[octogon]

LOL. You lot are creating certain picture of Djokovic so that later you can attack it.

It's not that deep bro.

 

[Rafa.the.Magnificent]

Well, he made his point pretty well, at least to me. Feel glad for him!

 

[NoleFam]

Djokovic, I'd imagine (and his parents). He's always felt like the third wheel between Federer and Nadal, so winning a poll like that (even if it's almost certainly rigged) would certainly massage his ego, at least for a week or two.

I guarantee you Novak Djokovic could care less about some meaningless online poll. He wants the real thing: the hardware.

 

[octogon]

I guarantee you Novak Djokovic could care less about some meaningless online poll. He wants the real thing: the hardware.

You can't guarantee a damned thing. I can say in my personal opinion of what I know of Djokovic's personality (how needy he is for adulation and to be liked and considered the best) that I think winning an online poll from a major broadcaster would be something that would please him a lot and make his ego feel good (and his parents). It's a form of the adulation or acknowledgement he's always been desperate for against Fed and Nadal (even if the poll is rigged/fake). Of course he wants to win slams as well. That's beside the point.

You have your opinion. I have mine. But there are no guarantees.

 

[NoleFam]

You can't guarantee a damned thing. I can say in my personal opinion of what I know of Djokovic's personality (how needy he is for adulation and to be liked and considered the best) that I think winning an online poll from a major broadcaster would be something that would please him a lot and make his ego feel good. It's a form of the adulation or acknowledgement he's always been desperate for. Of course he wants to win slams as well. That's beside the point.

You have your opinion. I have mine. But there are no guarantee.

I can't imagine any professional athlete so close to sole immortality who would be that concerned with an online poll, of all things. We all see things from our own lenses though so keep up the good fight little warrior.

 

[octogon]

I can't imagine any professional athlete so close to sole immortality who would be that concerned with an online poll, of all things. We all see things from our own lenses though so keep up the good fight little warrior.

Calm down, fanboy.LOL!

I don't think you have the slightest clue what goes through the mind of a professional athlete who is trying to go down as the greatest ever in their sport. So I'd stop pretending to be an expert here.

Try watching The Last Dance....Michael Jordan was literally fueled by the most minor and petty slights, real or imagined. And he used that to drive him in every game. Even if an opponent said "good game, Mike" after a game he lost, Jordan would interpret that as an insult and fantasise about revenge.

Someone like Jordan read all his press. He paid attention to things like polls. If a poll like the Eurosport poll was released when he was playing, and he lost to Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, he'd take it as a personal insult, and use it as fuel to crush his next opponents.

So nothing personal, but you don't have a clue. Sometimes these great athletes are so hyper-competitive that they often give more importance to things like polls than the actual fans. A look into the psyche of Michael Jordan will tell you that little things like "polls" can mean a huge deal to these relentlessly determined athletes seeking GOAT status. Novak strikes me as having a very Michael Jordan type personality, and he would pay attention to things like online polls.

 

[NoleFam]

Calm down, fanboy.LOL!

I don't think you have the slightest clue what goes through the mind of a professional athlete who is trying to go down as the greatest ever in their sport. So I'd stop pretending to be an expert here.

Try watching The Last Dance....Michael Jordan was literally fueled by the most minor and petty slights, real or imagined. And he used that to drive him in every game. Even if an opponent said "good game, Mike" after a game he lost, Jordan would interpret that as an insult and fantasise about revenge.

Someone like Jordan read all his press. He paid attention to things like polls. If a poll like the Eurosport poll was released when he was playing, and he lost to Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, he'd take it as a personal insult, and use it as fuel to crush his next opponents.

So nothing personal, but you don't have a clue. A look into the psyche of Michael Jordan will tell you that little things like "polls" can mean a huge deal to these relentlessly determined athletes seeking GOAT status. Novak strikes me as having a very Michael Jordan type personality, and he would pay attention to things like online polls.

That first line is quite ironic. Even when I brush it off and be nice, some just can't help themselves. You really should take your own advice.

I don't have a clue but you do? You brought up Jordan, of all people, to prove this point? Someone who basically disappeared from the lime light after stepping away from the game and probably one of the most exclusive retired athletes? No commenting to ESPN, hardly any interviews, no social media, no commentating, hardly any comments on the state of the game, etc.

If he was as thin skinned and insecure as you are making him out to be, no way would he have stayed away from the lime light like this while another great challeneged his GOAT status. Jordan was a doer (just do it) and whatever comments he made when he was playing he backed up on the court. He cared about winning and accolades that were tangible not some fabricated internet poll. You are saying I have no clue but you really seem to have no idea of what a champion is or their mentality, and definitely are lost when it comes to Djokovic.

 

[octogon]

That first line is quite ironic. Even when I brush it off and be nice, some just can't help themselves. You really should take your own advice.

I don't have a clue but you do? You brought up Jordan, of all people, to prove this point? Someone who basically disappeared from the lime light after stepping away from the game and probably one of the most exclusive retired athletes? No commenting to ESPN, hardly any interviews, no social media, no commentating, hardly any comments on the state of the game, etc.

If he was as thin skinned and insecure as you are making him out of to be, no way would he have stayed away from the lime light like this while another great challeneged his GOAT status. Jordan was a doer (just do it) and whatever comments he made when he was playing he backed up on the court. He cared about winning and accolades that were tangible not some fabricated internet poll. You are saying I have no clue but you really seem to have no idea of what a champion is or their mentality, and definitely are lost when it comes to Djokovic.

Blahablahblah....if being "nice" actually means being patronising and condescending, then so be it, "little warrior".

Agree to disagree, and move on. You can stop fighting the good fight now

 

[JaoSousa]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1036751816787148801

The American Obesity Epidemic...

 

[NoleFam]

Blahablahblah....if being "nice" actually means being patronising and condescending, then so be it, "little warrior".

Agree to disagree, and move on. You can stop fighting the good fight now

Well if you don't like the energy you get back, then don't put that energy out there to begin with.

Ok...

 

[tonylg]

Well, at least he's getting someone else to write his press releases now. That's a start.

 

[btsjungkook]

He should make a video reaction on all these nobodies criticising him.

 

[Mainad]

The American Obesity Epidemic...

She didn't look obese though.

 

[Gary Duane]

Source:

Novak Djokovic exclusive: Adria Tour 'didn't cross the line' - Eurosport

World number one Novak Djokovic has defended the staging of his Adria Tour event, which was criticised due to a lack of social distancing.

www.eurosport.com

Nole's reaction on the criticism:

I think what he is saying is reasonable. I also don't think anyone, anywhere in the world, has all answers to how to face this thing. For instance, in my area my county as well as the whole state of FL is showing deaths staying lower, well below the peak, but positives are skyrocketing? What does that mean? Supposedly hospitalizations are going up? What does that mean, if people are not dying? I can't even get daily data to compare those hospitalizations.

The press at every point reports the worst possible news, and leaders do everything they can to make things look better than they are. The real war is between officials, hiding things, and the press, making money off our misery and fear.

Even families are divided. My wife barely opens the door, washed everything, and uses a mask every moment out of the house. I stay home and obey all the rules, out of respect, but I'd go back to work tomorrow if I had the choice. I'd roll the dice.

I think a lot of people are jealous of anyone who is out there living their lives. If things are too loose too soon, we'll know in a couple months when things spike again. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The only thing we know is what already happened, and even there we only know when people are honest. Spain has not shared its number from around May 26th. China is still showing no new deaths, but the rest of the world is reporting a new outbreak in Beijing. Who do we believe? Who do we follow? Who is really doing the right thing? And who has just been lucky or unlucky?

 

[zagor]

'The West'

Translation: I hate the US Open Crowd.

Actually, their puppet media more like and by extension, the pseudo-intellectual sheep that uncritically devours everything it serves them on a platter.

That they're busy pointing fingers at Novak is largely irrelevant in this instance however, he doesn't need their permission to host an event in his own country.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I think what he is saying is reasonable. I also don't think anyone, anywhere in the world, has all answers to how to face this thing. For instance, in my area my county as well as the whole state of FL is showing deaths staying lower, well below the peak, but positives are skyrocketing? What does that mean? Supposedly hospitalizations are going up? What does that mean, if people are not dying? I can't even get daily data to compare those hospitalizations.

The press at every point reports the worst possible news, and leaders do everything they can to make things look better than they are. The real war is between officials, hiding things, and the press, making money off our misery and fear.

Even families are divided. My wife barely opens the door, washed everything, and uses a mask every moment out of the house. I stay home and obey all the rules, out of respect, but I'd go back to work tomorrow if I had the choice. I'd roll the dice.

I think a lot of people are jealous of anyone who is out there living their lives. If things are too loose too soon, we'll know in a couple months when things spike again. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The only thing we know is what already happened, and even there we only know when people are honest. Spain has not shared its number from around May 26th. China is still showing no new deaths, but the rest of the world is reporting a new outbreak in Beijing. Who do we believe? Who do we follow? Who is really doing the right thing? And who has just been lucky or unlucky?

I agree with a lot of your post, but two aspects:

* While the press/media is not blameless, they are also convenient scapegoats. I don't want to even imagine the Trump Era without a vigorous, independent (mostly) media.

* I don't know that it's jealousy of others living their lives, but the fact that there has become a stigma attached to people actually being socially responsible.

(I'm not referring to Djokovic, as the situation may actually be different/safer in Serbia, though I am very concerned.)

 

[Gary Duane]

I can't write much because it will be deleted. There is nothing more frustrating to me than not being able to talk about this openly.

I agree with a lot of your post, but two aspects:

* While the press/media is not blameless, they are also convenient scapegoats. I don't want to even imagine the Trump Era without a vigorous, independent (mostly) media.

Yikes, where to start: In FL we had one of the best websites in the US:

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

It's still pretty good, but the main force behind it got fired. She's pushing back now with her own site.

When you examine the numbers, as I have carefully, there are surprising things. Every day there is a total for deaths, and that total matches Worldometer. But the daily figures are totally different, for a reason. FL delays a day before posting, then it only puts the numbers down for that day that are clearly for that day, and that number is always low. It is low because it will take up to 3 weeks to get all the data, which is not there yet. Worldometer just puts down the raw number which does not take into consideration when those deaths happen. Over a few months both results work the same. But at any give time, the two graphs are strikingly different.

You can depend upon the same thing happening everywhere. The practical result is that if someone dies today in FL, it may take up to 3 weeks for that death to be recorded. On the W site whatever comes in, from all previous days, which again could be from 3 weeks ago, is recorded on that day.

What you see is that data, even when it is transparent, is late. You get much faster info on positive cases. Anyone who tests positive may have been infected a few days ago, but the lag is not huge. But if someone dies from infection, that can be weeks after initial infection. There's that lag. Then we don't get those numbers, sometimes for weeks. I estimate that when we look at deaths it's like a 4-6 week time lag. Maybe that's a bit too much, but you get the idea. It's like when we see the daily numbers we are looking back at what people did up to a month ago.

That means that when states or counties open up, you don't see the full results in mortality for about a month.

In a state like mine they are hurrying to open things up fast, and that means we are now essentially Sweden. Maybe not quite, but close. The idea that is the worst is over, so let's get back to life as usual.

But what is happening? Cases are skyrocketing. OK, that could be because of way more testing. But hospitalizations are skyrocketing, and there is no way to sugar coat that.

Now, you have the media doing what the media does, scaring the hell out of all of us. I don't like what they do because to me it is hope, exaggeration, and a lot of it is clickbait. But against that you have officials hiding everything, and if there is not huge pushback, they will just bury the facts. Look at China. For that matter, go here:

Spain COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Spain Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Check daily deaths. Beside almost 2000 people being declared undead on March 25th, there is no data since March 26th. That's more than 3 months ago. So we have to depend on the media to get the truth out there. Someone is covering up.

In China the data does not exist, and that's because there they have no strong media to push back against the officials.

I don't want that, and neither do you. That is probably your point.

* I don't know that it's jealousy of others living their lives, but the fact that there has become a stigma attached to people actually being socially responsible.

Stigma attached to people being socially irresponsible?

At any rate, most likely we agree. We need an aggressive media group to push back against officials who are trying to bury the truth. Officials always try to sugar coat everything. The media makes everything out to be the end of the world. The truth is in the middle.

 

[RaulRamirez]

What I meant to convey is that (especially) Trump has stigmatized wearing masks and acting socially responsible to others.

 

[octobrina10]

I think what he is saying is reasonable. I also don't think anyone, anywhere in the world, has all answers to how to face this thing. For instance, in my area my county as well as the whole state of FL is showing deaths staying lower, well below the peak, but positives are skyrocketing? What does that mean? Supposedly hospitalizations are going up? What does that mean, if people are not dying? I can't even get daily data to compare those hospitalizations.

The press at every point reports the worst possible news, and leaders do everything they can to make things look better than they are. The real war is between officials, hiding things, and the press, making money off our misery and fear.

Even families are divided. My wife barely opens the door, washed everything, and uses a mask every moment out of the house. I stay home and obey all the rules, out of respect, but I'd go back to work tomorrow if I had the choice. I'd roll the dice.

I think a lot of people are jealous of anyone who is out there living their lives. If things are too loose too soon, we'll know in a couple months when things spike again. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The only thing we know is what already happened, and even there we only know when people are honest. Spain has not shared its number from around May 26th. China is still showing no new deaths, but the rest of the world is reporting a new outbreak in Beijing. Who do we believe? Who do we follow? Who is really doing the right thing? And who has just been lucky or unlucky?

I replied you in another thread (it was deleted) a long time ago that Spain froze its total number of deaths around May 26th to revise all the historical data. By now, they have finished revising. Every day, Spain announced the number of deaths during the last 7 days, but didn't update the total number. Sources are available in Wordometer (see Updates under charts).

 

[vex]

'The West'

Translation: I hate the US Open Crowd.

Can ya blame him lol?

 

[King No1e]

Isn't Serbia still part of "the west" from a global perspective? It's in Europe.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nole is still banging on about this?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Isn't Serbia still part of "the west" from a global perspective? It's in Europe.

But it's in eastern Europe, Serbia is not part of NATO and not part of the EU. At least from an American perspective, Serbia is definitely not part of the west. Unsure how Serbia would be judged from an Aussie/Brit or from an India perspective, and you did mention a global perspective. Maybe others can weigh in from a non-Yank viewpoint.

 

[daphne]

But it's in eastern Europe, Serbia is not part of NATO and not part of the EU. At least from an American perspective, Serbia is definitely not part of the west. Unsure how Serbia would be judged from an Aussie/Brit perspective, and you did mention a global perspective. Maybe others can weigh in from a non-Yank viewpoint.

He thinks that because it's in Europe and shares Judeo-Christian values and culture with the rest of Europe, Serbia is seen by non-Europeans (not Americans or Canadians or Australians) as a part of the Western culture. You are right too! On the political and military plane Serbia is not part of the West but leans towards Russia more because of their Slavic and Eastern-Orthodox ties. And will ALWAYS be that way.