do i need to change anything in order to add more power to my forehand?

2nd Serve Ace

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I'm sure this has been said already, but no help from your lower body, particularly no hip action plus a poor stance.

I doubt you need to be that western with the grip.
 

danielbeckera

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I'm sure this has been said already, but no help from your lower body, particularly no hip action plus a poor stance.

I doubt you need to be that western with the grip.
i dont need to, but i dont need to change too. and the grip is not even full western, its semi.
ive played 8 years straight with this grip, from 10 years old to 18, won some tournaments and stuff but stopped for 5 years and just returned recently
itll be much harder to change the way i play, i think its better just loose some weight and get some conditioning and im good
 

2nd Serve Ace

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i dont need to, but i dont need to change too. and the grip is not even full western, its semi.
ive played 8 years straight with this grip, from 10 years old to 18, won some tournaments and stuff but stopped for 5 years and just returned recently
itll be much harder to change the way i play, i think its better just loose some weight and get some conditioning and im good
Of course. I just see that elbow tucked close to the body that I would say it's worth experimenting with an eastern to get some extension on the FH.

This change would require more wrist snap.

Anytime your moving back to hit a GS your stance will narrower and the swing arc will be tighter.
 
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danielbeckera

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Of course. I just see that elbow tucked close to the body that I would say it's worth experimenting with an eastern to get some extension on the FH.

This change would require more wrist snap.

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you're right, this particular shot i hit with very closed elbow
ill be recording a full game and select some forehand shots to analyze with you guys
i think i dont hit like this all the time, this particular shot i didnt respond so quickly so i was like "stunted"
 

pencilcheck

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Yea upload more normal strokes would be better. This shot was already late in preparation if you want to add power to an already late shot the best bet is to increase the height and net clearance. Or try faster body rotation instead.

One thing one would also add is that your left leg should stay in front of your body even when hopping backwards, this gives you the ability to have forward momentum once you are ready to strike


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danielbeckera

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Yea upload more normal strokes would be better. This shot was already late in preparation if you want to add power to an already late shot the best bet is to increase the height and net clearance. Or try faster body rotation instead.

One thing one would also add is that your left leg should stay in front of your body even when hopping backwards, this gives you the ability to have forward momentum once you are ready to strike


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i'll definitely upload a better video
 

pencilcheck

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Basically you arm the swing too much. Medicine ball is all about training the throwing motion which uses your core.

I would say the same thing but you don’t need medicine ball to get there.


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J011yroger

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could you be more specific on what advantages would a medicine ball give to me?
Ok, you get it and you throw it back and forth with another person, or even better at a wall.

You figure out how to throw it straight and hard (insert pp joke.)

This is going to do three things for you.

1. You will learn to throw it with your whole body and have proper weight transfer because if you try to throw it with your arms or your weight going the wrong direction the ball won't go anywhere because it's too heavy.

2. You will get separation between your hands and your chest and learn to follow a line to the target instead of pulling across your body like you currently do because the ball won't go straight unless your hands do.

3. You will learn to receive the ball with your feet behind it in a powerful stance because if you are beside it it will be difficult to catch and absorb.

J
 

pencilcheck

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Ok, you get it and you throw it back and forth with another person, or even better at a wall.

You figure out how to throw it straight and hard (insert pp joke.)

This is going to do three things for you.

1. You will learn to throw it with your whole body and have proper weight transfer because if you try to throw it with your arms or your weight going the wrong direction the ball won't go anywhere because it's too heavy.

2. You will get separation between your hands and your chest and learn to follow a line to the target instead of pulling across your body like you currently do because the ball won't go straight unless your hands do.

3. You will learn to receive the ball with your feet behind it in a powerful stance because if you are beside it it will be difficult to catch and absorb.

J
Basically, you need to change your mental model of how to receive a ball and how to use your body to absorb and release.

Things you are thinking right now is probably this:
1. How to add power? Racquet speed!!
2. How to increase racquet speed? Move my arm as quickly as I can!!
3. How to not hit the ball into the net?? I need to arm as quickly as I can upward!!

Therefore what's going on is that you will always face the ball and move only your arm and move it upwards as quickly as you can. While this works for a quick recovery shot but it is not ideal as there are other better alternatives. You want good fundamentals, which the things that Jolly mentioned about medicine ball will get you.

What you need to change is this
1. How to add power? Forward momentum!!
2. How to increase forward momentum? Better footwork, wider base, and hop forward!!
3. How to not hit the ball into the net?? swing around using core!!
 

danielbeckera

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isnt using racquet spped upward a good practice?
i will stick with this but try to use more core
i think i dont need to stop using my stroke like that, ill just add more core, what you think about that?
 

Hmgraphite1

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Ok, you get it and you throw it back and forth with another person, or even better at a wall.

You figure out how to throw it straight and hard (insert pp joke.)

This is going to do three things for you.

1. You will learn to throw it with your whole body and have proper weight transfer because if you try to throw it with your arms or your weight going the wrong direction the ball won't go anywhere because it's too heavy.

2. You will get separation between your hands and your chest and learn to follow a line to the target instead of pulling across your body like you currently do because the ball won't go straight unless your hands do.

3. You will learn to receive the ball with your feet behind it in a powerful stance because if you are beside it it will be difficult to catch and absorb.

J
How many lbs for people like us 8,10,12?
 

pencilcheck

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isnt using racquet spped upward a good practice?
i will stick with this but try to use more core
i think i dont need to stop using my stroke like that, ill just add more core, what you think about that?
I think everyone is different, but in my learning experience, power is not in spin, power is in momentum. You want more power that means you don't have enough momentum to add onto the ball because your body is not moving at all, even worse you are moving backwards.

You might not believe this, but what if I tell you that by learning proper footwork and hit with the core, spin will come naturally? The pulling upward is good for higher launch angle, which is good for lower level players who don't know how to control the ball as a quick way to stop them from hitting to the net. If you are want to get better, in my opinion, you should stop thinking that way. However like I said, if you can prove me wrong, please do, and don't use rafa as an example, because he doesn't hit with pulling up motion, he also uses footwork.
 
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2nd Serve Ace

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Just think everything about your FH is working to take the ball really late.

Exaggerating a late uppercut brush up stroke to mask the problems.

It might look impressive from your standpoint, but ultimately you will be bossed around on most points.

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J011yroger

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How many lbs for people like us 8,10,12?
Most grown men can use 12.

It's supposed to feel heavy.

For 11-12 year olds I use a basketball or one of those giant autograph tennis balls.

Girls and teenagers maybe 8-10lb?

I can throw a 35lb ball but I wouldn't want to catch one.

J
 

Hmgraphite1

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Most grown men can use 12.

It's supposed to feel heavy.

For 11-12 year olds I use a basketball or one of those giant autograph tennis balls.

Girls and teenagers maybe 8-10lb?

I can throw a 35lb ball but I wouldn't want to catch one.

J
Is it rue my neighbors will hear it if I use it in my basement (transfer through the ground)?
 

MisterP

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Did we talk about footwork, ie moving back early enough so that you can be balanced or even transferring weight forward through the shot? I got distracted on the first page with all the continental grip trolling.
 

J011yroger

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Did we talk about footwork, ie moving back early enough so that you can be balanced or even transferring weight forward through the shot? I got distracted on the first page with all the continental grip trolling.
It was covered under buy a medicine ball.

J
 

Kobble

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I would be interested in seeing you just swing the racquet without the ball just to see if you have any idea what the ideal swing should come close to. Try it out. If you notice that you look a million times better without the ball, your seeing the ball, foot work and timing is completely off. I know the footwork and timing is off, but I wonder how bad it is affecting your swing. I bet both the swing and the footwork are off.

I think you need to expand your horizons tennis wise. Learn to hit with all the grips; at least eastern, semi western and western. Learn a smooth low to high ground strokes. You need to learn what contrasting techniques feel like. In order of my tennis development, I had to learn what not arming it felt like. Then, get the wrist lag timed right. After that I working on an eastern grip and taking it out more in front. Then switched to a more straight arm forehand. It was a process. It might literally take 30 hours or more for you to change half your flaws. It just took me 8 hours on the wall over a week to start getting my separation and timing back. After 12 hours, I finally feel hope. Sometimes things click, and sometimes they take forever.
 

J011yroger

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Is there a part of the med ball routine where somebody throws it high enough at you that you need to move way back to catch it with balance? That sounds like a great drill, actually.
You have to throw it higher the farther away you get so yes.

Defense day with coach Jolly is pure suffering.

J
 
He was asking because he was hoping that someone other than a park player who's idea of tennis is two bounce rallies with old balls would answer.

J
By suggesting the use of continental, the fact that his idea of tennis is bounce rallies with two deflated old balls was understood. I may have misinterpreted your statement.
 
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