Do people really think Djokovic was faking the injury?

DSH

Legend
I see it as the opposite, we might see another 15 minute lull followed by domination just like last night in round 3 vs a tired opponent. Then when the opponents get more difficult the injury will disappear.
What you mention is a paradox:
If he is really injured when he faces an opponent with much more level than Londero it would mean that he would take him to the limits and if we consider that the physical effort is already demanding in itself in the final rounds of a Grand Slam, if we add to that a Physical condition with parts of the body with a lot of pain is IMPOSSIBLE that the injury disappears and the player starts playing better.
Hence the contradiction and lack of logic in what you mention.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Not anymore. I was devastated last night, I have turned out broadcast after Londero broke him in 2nd set and went to bed. First thing this morning - grabbed my phone to check result :rolleyes:
That made me think I am too much into it.
Yeah, the one thing I do like about Djoker (not many) is his perseverance. I do think there was pain last night in his shoulder, but I just think he will manage it well and be just fine as the USO progresses. He sure did it last night in dominant form besides about 15 minutes.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
What you mention is a paradox:
If he is really injured when he faces an opponent with much more level than Londero it would mean that he would take him to the limits and if we consider that the physical effort is already demanding in itself in the final rounds of a Grand Slam, if we add to that a Physical condition with parts of the body with a lot of pain is IMPOSSIBLE that the injury disappears and the player starts playing better.
Hence the contradiction and lack of logic in what you mention.
Your assuming the shoulder "injury" is serious. I don't.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
So you think this is serious, and will slow him down against better opponents?
I don't know if it's serious, but he definitely feels discomfort to the point where it affects his game. There is no Logical reason behind why he would fake it in the 2nd round. Just stop with these stupid theories.
 

OhYes

Legend
Yeah, the one thing I do like about Djoker (not many) is his perseverance. I do think there was pain last night in his shoulder, but I just think he will manage it well and be just fine as the USO progresses. He sure did it last night in dominant form besides about 15 minutes.
He is perfectionist, any coach that was in contact with him will say that. If something bothers him (like clay storm at FO) he destroys his level for some time until he gets used to situation. Against good player that dip in performance is not allowed and he losses match.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
What do you think it can be? What kind of injury?
A shoulder is a joint and it’s not like getting a stiff back muscles. At least I haven’t heard about an only 15 min intense injury and pain ever before.
I don't know, maybe it is serious. But it does not look serious when you dominate like he did after the 15 minute injury spell.

What serious injury are you able to get right back in form after 15 minutes?
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
I don't know if it's serious, but he definitely feels discomfort to the point where it affects his game. There is no Logical reason behind why he would fake it in the 2nd round. Just stop with these stupid theories.
Did I say fake? He is not faking it, there would be no reason. I just wonder at how serious it is going forward. I have twisted my knee a couple times and thought I tore something, then 15 minutes later it feels fine.

I just think he can "manage" whatever this is.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't know, maybe it is serious. But it does not look serious when you dominate like he did after the 15 minute injury spell.

What serious injury are you able to get right back in form after 15 minutes?
If it’s a chronic injury which I think it is, it goes worse with a lot of time on court. Maybe he had some instant relief in the MTO and he could pull it through. But if he shows no further signs of having problems w that joint (in fact a very complicated joint and problematic for recovery, just as w knees) I have to say it’s hard to believe he has an injury. It’s no such thing as a 15 min shoulder injury. But I do believe him so therefor I think it’s chronic.
Not sure how to grade a serious injury. Compared to downhill skiing and handball for example, none tennis injuries are dangerously serious.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Did I say fake? He is not faking it, there would be no reason. I just wonder at how serious it is going forward. I have twisted my knee a couple times and thought I tore something, then 15 minutes later it feels fine.

I just think he can "manage" whatever this
We have to wait and see. But if he is playing with pain where he can't serve at his best or hit a BH as well as he can (djokovic siad yesterday these two parts is whats affecting his game) then his chances are very low. Its not good at all.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
We have to wait and see. But if he is playing with pain where he can't serve at his best or hit a BH as well as he can (djokovic siad yesterday these two parts is whats affecting him) then his chances are very low. Its not good at all.
Yes, I agree. We just will have to wait to see in the next few rounds. The question is if it can get worse. If it can, then that is not good. But if it is just a nuance, then he will figure out how to "manage" it.
 
I think he’s in some pain. Not sure how serious but it’s definitely a bit concerning. We will know more when he plays his next match! Hoping it’s not to serious and it heals up.
 
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Deleted member 766172

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Yes, I agree. We just will have to wait to see in the next few rounds. The question is if it can get worse. If it can, then that is not good. But if it is just a nuance, then he will figure out how to "manage" it.
Why do you put the word "manage" in quotes as if I was wrong to use that word? Are you trying to insult me?
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly right. That is why Nadal did NOT even come close to winning a set in AO 2019 Final.
Also that is why Nadal has not beaten Novak outside of clay since 6 YEARS.

Do you think that in all those matches Novak was playing his A game?

Nadal is an even bigger underdog against Djokovic than Federer is. At least Fed had Match points in Wimbledon.
To be fair, he was pretty close at Wimbledon in 2018 though.
 

Pantera

Banned
Both McEnroe brothers said he was faking, and aren’t bitter fans of rival fan bases. They were present at the match and had their own opinions.
Lmao....the McEnroe clowns are Federer worshippers.

Djokovic was clearly injured..yet is that good still won. There is no reason for him to fake injury.
 

Pantera

Banned
LMAO if you know djokovic a little you can tell he kinda knows he prob will not be going all the way. His comments on "keeping positive" "hoping he gets some luck" "hoping with therapy the pain will go away by next match" etc etc. He is just going give it a go and if he gets knocked out he is ready.
He has won 2 Majors...its not really a killer for him if he goes out. Same for Nadal..both have had a good year. All the pressure on Federer.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Again, I never give a damn for injury while playing. It can be used as ploy to distract opponents while tough to call it out as fake. Take 3 or 4 months out. Then I will believe. Until then, it just drama.

If I see a player on court, I understand that player wants to win. That’s all that matters.
 
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Deleted member 766172

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I assume you are joking?
No, I'm being serious. I replied to one of your posts in another thread and said Djokovic can manage the injury, and then I start seeing you use the word "manage" in quotes. As if it is not the right word to use. Not the first time someone has done this with me.
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
Exactly right. That is why Nadal did NOT even come close to winning a set in AO 2019 Final.
Also that is why Nadal has not beaten Novak outside of clay since 6 YEARS.

Do you think that in all those matches Novak was playing his A game?

Nadal is an even bigger underdog against Djokovic than Federer is. At least Fed had Match points in Wimbledon.
Do you think that Nadal was playing his A (or even B) game in any of those matches :unsure: Seriously man Joker racked up 7 wins against 2015-2016 Nadal (aka the worst he has ever played Nadal). 2017 Joker would have been slaughtered by Fedal, but he couldn't even make it to them.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
No, I'm being serious. I replied to one of your posts in another thread and said Djokovic can manage the injury, and then I start seeing you use the word "manage" in quotes. As if it is not the right word to use. Not the first time someone has done this with me.
No, I actually must have missed your quote, I just saw it now. I was quoting it as in to say he might need to manage it or he might not depending on the severity. I was not taking a shot at you or anyone. I, and everyone else here has no clue how serious it is or is not. That is why I say "manage" because it might be hard to do, or easy.
 

victorcruz

Hall of Fame
He's good at playing possum. Playing up an injury. That being said, at this point in the year, everyone has some sort of pain somewhere in their body. No one is playing at 100%
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Yes a player purposefully drops 7mph on his ave
He has won 2 Majors...its not really a killer for him if he goes out. Same for Nadal..both have had a good year. All the pressure on Federer.
Fully agreed! Great year for both. Fed has to win this. If nadal does feds record is toast. Also i do not think djokovic will get past 20. I figured 16-18 and still sticking to that right now.
 
Well you'd have to concede that if Djokovic does go on to win this USO, he was indeed faking, no? Else how could he win with such an injury? Would you be implying Djokovic with such a serious injury is better than Nadal and Federer playing well? Especially after Djokovic was down match points to the old man a few months ago. Thus, if Djokovic wins USO19 = him faking.
The injury could subside if it's not serious. For example, Federer had back spasms early at Wimbledon 12, almost losing to Benneteau and struggling vs Malisse (scoreline makes it look better than it was, a real mugfest), but then he reinvigorated and played great stuff from QF onwards, routining Youzhny and beating Djokoray in quality matches. If Djokovic wins, it doesn't mean he totally faked it, but it does mean it wasn't too bad if he could recover in a few days
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
I'm not really a Djokovic fan so i'm not trying to defend him but what would be his motivation for faking an injury and hitting much weaker backhands and serves than he normally does against Londero in r2? I can understand the criticism in that AO final against Murray where he looked dead at some point and was flying on the court the rest of the match but I don't see a valid reason for him to fake it at the USO r2, yet I see a lot of people accusing him of faking it.
Faking it? No. Making a meal of it? Yeah, absolutely. Not for the first time either.
 

Pantera

Banned
Yes a player purposefully drops 7mph on his ave
Fully agreed! Great year for both. Fed has to win this. If nadal does feds record is toast. Also i do not think djokovic will get past 20. I figured 16-18 and still sticking to that right now.
If Djokovic wins OG he for me ties Rafa for GOAT maybe even surpasses him. OG would mean Djokovic has won literally all there is to win. Nobody else would have done that. He already planning for tokyo. He is playing there after USO this year.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
Its an injury no doubt but seriousness of that is unknown. General belief is that Djokovic acts up his problems on the court and that's what exactly he is doing here. Rival fnas are calling it fake because they want to see Djokovic injury in the results of the matches which they are not able to see yet or afraid will never be able to see in this tournament.
 
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undecided

Semi-Pro
I'm not really a Djokovic fan so i'm not trying to defend him but what would be his motivation for faking an injury and hitting much weaker backhands and serves than he normally does against Londero in r2? I can understand the criticism in that AO final against Murray where he looked dead at some point and was flying on the court the rest of the match but I don't see a valid reason for him to fake it at the USO r2, yet I see a lot of people accusing him of faking it.
Looked like faking to me. He was in total pain while down 3-0 in the 2nd and then out of nowhere he started lasering backhands to the corners. I am sorry if you are in that kind of pain strokes don't get better.
 

Hypergxtraspin

New User
It's a real injury, even though it seems fake because it's the left shoulder it's not. I once had this injury. It hurts when you go to toss the ball with left arm. It's like a tweak in the little shoulder muscle/tendon on top. I got it from doing shoulder press. I could barely toss the ball on serve and it screws up your mind and timing. Goes away after a week
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Exactly right. That is why Nadal did NOT even come close to winning a set in AO 2019 Final.
Also that is why Nadal has not beaten Novak outside of clay since 6 YEARS.

Do you think that in all those matches Novak was playing his A game?

Nadal is an even bigger underdog against Djokovic than Federer is. At least Fed had Match points in Wimbledon.
how many times have they played off clay in those 6 years? Last year at wimbledon Nadal was 1 point from beating him.
 

Azure

Legend
What would be the reason for exaggerating injury? I would think that any signs of injury is actually detrimental because your opponent knows that you are struggling. After so many wins and slams I don't think these guys fake injuries. At the most I think it's not too serious at this stage and that he is able to get through with pain killers and good physio.
 
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